Digital BW, The Print

There are clips on the rail -- I think they coordinate with the Kalart for the infinity setting -- that won't let me pull the bellows out very far without unscrewing them, and at the moment (without a manual) I don't want to mess up the settings, but both shutters are in working order. Belay that; they work, but I don't know whether accumulated filth has messed with the speed.

I've joined the graflex list and even found a place, j and c photo, that sells the right size of film sheets, and you all have been extremely helpful. The next step is rehab for the camera; I'll keep you updated.

Thanks for all your comments!

Lil



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Lil,

These are great little cameras to fiddle with and explore. Unfortunately you
are facing a rather dangerous situation.

You see 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 isn't very big. You'll start liking the pictures you
get back, especially if you start shooting some colour transparency roll
film. I have a friend who has what sounds like the same lens on his mini
speed graphic - and old as it is, he shoots the most sublime colour
landscapes with it. You'll find you enjoy being able to tweak the
perspective, or give your image almost infinite depth of field - even with
the limited movements you have.

Before you know it you will want more movements - and if you are going for
that, why not go a bit bigger. So you will get a 4x5. And when you get back
your first transparency and pop it on the light table - OMG - it's so big!
and all that detail and it.. glows..... Then one day someone will show you a
transparency from their 8x10 - Holy Cow! And you try out the camera, pop
your head under the dark cloth and there is this big computer monitor sized
piece of ground glass with the picture on it - wow... and before you know
it, the "little" 4x5 is abandoned in a dark lonely cupboard and you have a
nice big 8x10 (you don't want to sell the 4x5 because maybe one day you will
need something "light and small" to carry.... for that round the world trip
you plan one day.

Trouble is, you are out photographing one day and you come across this guy
heaving out a great big 11x14 camera from the back of his pickup (that's
what those guys use for camera bags) all glowing polished wood and brass -
and he plonks it on this massive wooden tripod with a head that looks like
it's made from old T34 tank parts. He only has three film holders because
those suckers are $500.00 each... and the film - you don't even want to
think about it.....

Sadly, I'm already up to 8x10  :-)

tim

>
> Trouble is, you are out photographing one day and you come across this guy
> heaving out a great big 11x14 camera from the back of his pickup (that's
> what those guys use for camera bags) all glowing polished wood and brass -
> and he plonks it on this massive wooden tripod with a head that looks like
> it's made from old T34 tank parts. He only has three film holders because
> those suckers are $500.00 each... and the film - you don't even want to
> think about it.....
>

When you think you can make a good digital print and want to see what
printing is really about - contact print an 11x14.
It's not that heavy Tim, the Phillips is only 16lbs, as is the Canham <g>
and don't forget that Phillips are taking orders for the 11x14 in January!

Julian

:-)

there was a phillips 12x20 for sale on ebay not long ago...

kept a pic from it (attached)

tim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Thomas [mailto:julianthomas@...]
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:26 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Speed graphic
>
>
> >
> > Trouble is, you are out photographing one day and you come
> across this guy
> > heaving out a great big 11x14 camera from the back of his pickup (that's
> > what those guys use for camera bags) all glowing polished wood
> and brass -
> > and he plonks it on this massive wooden tripod with a head that
> looks like
> > it's made from old T34 tank parts. He only has three film
> holders because
> > those suckers are $500.00 each... and the film - you don't even want to
> > think about it.....
> >
>
> When you think you can make a good digital print and want to see what
> printing is really about - contact print an 11x14.
> It's not that heavy Tim, the Phillips is only 16lbs, as is the Canham <g>
> and don't forget that Phillips are taking orders for the 11x14 in January!
>
> Julian
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I'd like to see that! I shot with a Kodak 11x14 this week - just one sheet
and only a few yards from the shop - but I could get used to that. At least
with this http://www.lotusviewcamera.at/lovica_20x24_e.html you get a free
trolley ;-)

Julian
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Atherton" <timatherton@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Speed graphic


> :-)
>
> there was a phillips 12x20 for sale on ebay not long ago...
>
> kept a pic from it (attached)
>
> tim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Julian Thomas [mailto:julianthomas@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Speed graphic
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Trouble is, you are out photographing one day and you come
> > across this guy
> > > heaving out a great big 11x14 camera from the back of his pickup
(that's
> > > what those guys use for camera bags) all glowing polished wood
> > and brass -
> > > and he plonks it on this massive wooden tripod with a head that
> > looks like
> > > it's made from old T34 tank parts. He only has three film
> > holders because
> > > those suckers are $500.00 each... and the film - you don't even want
to
> > > think about it.....
> > >
> >
> > When you think you can make a good digital print and want to see what
> > printing is really about - contact print an 11x14.
> > It's not that heavy Tim, the Phillips is only 16lbs, as is the Canham
<g>
> > and don't forget that Phillips are taking orders for the 11x14 in
January!
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
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The there was this puppy

tim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Thomas [mailto:julianthomas@...]
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:26 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Speed graphic
>
>
> >
> > Trouble is, you are out photographing one day and you come
> across this guy
> > heaving out a great big 11x14 camera from the back of his pickup (that's
> > what those guys use for camera bags) all glowing polished wood
> and brass -
> > and he plonks it on this massive wooden tripod with a head that
> looks like
> > it's made from old T34 tank parts. He only has three film
> holders because
> > those suckers are $500.00 each... and the film - you don't even want to
> > think about it.....
> >
>
> When you think you can make a good digital print and want to see what
> printing is really about - contact print an 11x14.
> It's not that heavy Tim, the Phillips is only 16lbs, as is the Canham <g>
> and don't forget that Phillips are taking orders for the 11x14 in January!
>
> Julian
>
>
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darn... meant to send those direct - doh!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Atherton [mailto:timatherton@...]
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:01 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Speed graphic
>
>
> The there was this puppy
>
> tim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Julian Thomas [mailto:julianthomas@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:26 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Speed graphic
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Trouble is, you are out photographing one day and you come
> > across this guy
> > > heaving out a great big 11x14 camera from the back of his
> pickup (that's
> > > what those guys use for camera bags) all glowing polished wood
> > and brass -
> > > and he plonks it on this massive wooden tripod with a head that
> > looks like
> > > it's made from old T34 tank parts. He only has three film
> > holders because
> > > those suckers are $500.00 each... and the film - you don't
> even want to
> > > think about it.....
> > >
> >
> > When you think you can make a good digital print and want to see what
> > printing is really about - contact print an 11x14.
> > It's not that heavy Tim, the Phillips is only 16lbs, as is the
> Canham <g>
> > and don't forget that Phillips are taking orders for the 11x14
> in January!
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
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> page is at:
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Tim,

LOL!! Just loved your post because it reminds me so much of my own trek UP
the through the formats. I remember many years ago, after having used my
8x10 exclusively for about 5-6 years and after seeing several original Brett
Weston 11x14 contact prints, looking into getting an 11x14 when R.H.
Phillips made their "featherweight" ULF camera. Probably a good thing that I
never went that direction...can you imagine the scanner required to get that
size into the computer? But, even to this day I still peruse the LF ads
looking for one that someone wants to give away! ;>) Anyway, thanks for the
fond memories....

Alan Huntley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Atherton" <timatherton@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Speed graphic


> Lil,
>
> These are great little cameras to fiddle with and explore. Unfortunately
you
> are facing a rather dangerous situation.
>
> You see 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 isn't very big. You'll start liking the pictures you
> get back, especially if you start shooting some colour transparency roll
> film. I have a friend who has what sounds like the same lens on his mini
> speed graphic - and old as it is, he shoots the most sublime colour
> landscapes with it. You'll find you enjoy being able to tweak the
> perspective, or give your image almost infinite depth of field - even with
> the limited movements you have.
>
> Before you know it you will want more movements - and if you are going for
> that, why not go a bit bigger. So you will get a 4x5. And when you get
back
> your first transparency and pop it on the light table - OMG - it's so big!
> and all that detail and it.. glows..... Then one day someone will show you
a
> transparency from their 8x10 - Holy Cow! And you try out the camera, pop
> your head under the dark cloth and there is this big computer monitor
sized
> piece of ground glass with the picture on it - wow... and before you know
> it, the "little" 4x5 is abandoned in a dark lonely cupboard and you have a
> nice big 8x10 (you don't want to sell the 4x5 because maybe one day you
will
> need something "light and small" to carry.... for that round the world
trip

> you plan one day.
>
> Trouble is, you are out photographing one day and you come across this guy
> heaving out a great big 11x14 camera from the back of his pickup (that's
> what those guys use for camera bags) all glowing polished wood and brass -
> and he plonks it on this massive wooden tripod with a head that looks like
> it's made from old T34 tank parts. He only has three film holders because
> those suckers are $500.00 each... and the film - you don't even want to
> think about it.....
>
> Sadly, I'm already up to 8x10  :-)
>
> tim

On 7/21/03 6:33 PM, "A. Huntley" <leicam6@...> wrote:

> Tim,
> 
> LOL!! Just loved your post because it reminds me so much of my own trek UP
> the through the formats. I remember many years ago, after having used my
> 8x10 exclusively for about 5-6 years and after seeing several original Brett
> Weston 11x14 contact prints, looking into getting an 11x14 when R.H.
> Phillips made their "featherweight" ULF camera. Probably a good thing that I
> never went that direction...can you imagine the scanner required to get that
> size into the computer? But, even to this day I still peruse the LF ads
> looking for one that someone wants to give away! ;>) Anyway, thanks for the
> fond memories....
> 
> Alan Huntley
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Atherton" <timatherton@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Speed graphic
> 
> 
>> > Lil,
>> >
>> > These are great little cameras to fiddle with and explore. Unfortunately
> you
>> > are facing a rather dangerous situation.
>> >
>> > You see 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 isn't very big. You'll start liking the pictures you
>> > get back, especially if you start shooting some colour transparency roll
>> > film. I have a friend who has what sounds like the same lens on his mini
>> > speed graphic - and old as it is, he shoots the most sublime colour
>> > landscapes with it. You'll find you enjoy being able to tweak the
>> > perspective, or give your image almost infinite depth of field - even with
>> > the limited movements you have.
>> >
>> > Before you know it you will want more movements - and if you are going for
>> > that, why not go a bit bigger. So you will get a 4x5. And when you get
> back
>> > your first transparency and pop it on the light table - OMG - it's so big!
>> > and all that detail and it.. glows..... Then one day someone will show you
> a
>> > transparency from their 8x10 - Holy Cow! And you try out the camera, pop
>> > your head under the dark cloth and there is this big computer monitor
> sized
>> > piece of ground glass with the picture on it - wow... and before you know
>> > it, the "little" 4x5 is abandoned in a dark lonely cupboard and you have a
>> > nice big 8x10 (you don't want to sell the 4x5 because maybe one day you
> will
>> > need something "light and small" to carry.... for that round the world
> trip
>> > you plan one day.
>> >
>> > Trouble is, you are out photographing one day and you come across this guy
>> > heaving out a great big 11x14 camera from the back of his pickup (that's
>> > what those guys use for camera bags) all glowing polished wood and brass -
>> > and he plonks it on this massive wooden tripod with a head that looks like
>> > it's made from old T34 tank parts. He only has three film holders because
>> > those suckers are $500.00 each... and the film - you don't even want to
>> > think about it.....
>> >
>> > Sadly, I'm already up to 8x10  :-)
>> >
>> > tim
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Interesting, I routinely use a Phillips 11X14, Ektachrome, develop my own
E-6, scan in on Colorgetter II drum scanner with oil, print on Colorspan 11
color (quad K) printer & 100 rag,  to 50² by however long.  Must admit the
files stress even my dual PowerMac.  All this is not as daunting as you
might think though.  The main challenge after standardizing everything is
capturing images worth the process.
-- 




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