Digital BW, The Print

I have scanned through the archives and could not find any thing.  
Does anyone have a good action for infrared in photoshop?  We have 
tested several but can't find any thing we find satisfactory. It 
seems as tho if it is good in one area it is bad in another. Thanks 
in advance!

As I don't know which ones you have tried... here are a few and a couple
places where you could ask:

Actions:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/DI/index.html
http://freespace.virgin.net/nick.thomas3/web_pages/technical%207.htm

IR FAQ:

http://www.cocam.net/CoCamWS/Infrared/INFRARED.HTM

Eric Cheng's site:

www.echeng.com/photo/infrared/

A good example of digital IR (not with actions):

http://www.animalu.com/pics/photos.htm

Jon

> I have scanned through the archives and could not find any thing.
> Does anyone have a good action for infrared in photoshop?  We have
> tested several but can't find any thing we find satisfactory. It
> seems as tho if it is good in one area it is bad in another. Thanks
> in advance!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jtaylor1120" 
<jtaylor1120@c...> wrote:
> I have scanned through the archives and could not find any thing.  
> Does anyone have a good action for infrared in photoshop?  We have 
> tested several but can't find any thing we find satisfactory. It 
> seems as tho if it is good in one area it is bad in another. Thanks 
> in advance!

You might give this a try.  It's from the book "The Photoshop Book 
for Digital Photographers" by Scott Kelby. It's labeled "The Ansel 
Adams Effect," but depending on the image you are working with, might 
provide what you're seeking:

Use the Photoshop Channel Mixer.  Click on monochrome.  Adust red to 
+160, green to +140, and blue to minus 200.  You can tweak these 
adjustments, of course, trying to stick to a total of 100.  (Why 100 
is such a magical number, I don't know.  Would welcome an 
explanation).


Norm

Yes, and you can take the effect one step further by then creating a 
hue/sat adjustment layer and tweaking further.
Mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "nsams2002" 
<normsams@w...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jtaylor1120" 
> <jtaylor1120@c...> wrote:
> > I have scanned through the archives and could not find any 
thing.  
> > Does anyone have a good action for infrared in photoshop?  We 
have 
> > tested several but can't find any thing we find satisfactory. It 
> > seems as tho if it is good in one area it is bad in another. 
Thanks 
> > in advance!
> 
> You might give this a try.  It's from the book "The Photoshop Book 
> for Digital Photographers" by Scott Kelby. It's labeled "The Ansel 
> Adams Effect," but depending on the image you are working with, 
might 
> provide what you're seeking:
> 
> Use the Photoshop Channel Mixer.  Click on monochrome.  Adust red 
to 
> +160, green to +140, and blue to minus 200.  You can tweak these 
> adjustments, of course, trying to stick to a total of 100.  (Why 
100 

> is such a magical number, I don't know.  Would welcome an 
> explanation).
> 
> 
> Norm

AFAIK, 100 just retains the original luminescence...higher than 100 the image will be brighter, lower it will be darker.  

> Use the Photoshop Channel Mixer.  Click on monochrome.  Adust red to 
> +160, green to +140, and blue to minus 200.  You can tweak these 
> adjustments, of course, trying to stick to a total of 100.  (Why 100 
> is such a magical number, I don't know.  Would welcome an 
> explanation).
> 
> 
> Norm

There's a decent one in NIK color Efex, too.

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jtaylor1120" 
<jtaylor1120@c...> wrote:

> I have scanned through the archives and could not find any thing.  
> Does anyone have a good action for infrared in photoshop?  We have 
> tested several but can't find any thing we find satisfactory. It 
> seems as tho if it is good in one area it is bad in another. Thanks 
> in advance!

Silver Oxide has a Silver IR filter that looks pretty good...

But, they have never answered a single e-mail from me about their products..

Imagine what kind of  customer service that implies?


 

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User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
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OK,   I think the problem may have been with my e-mail  to SilverOxide 
getting caught up in the spam bin there.. Like my own e-mail I'm sure 
they get a ton of it and spam filters are, well,  less than reliable. 
Back about the last time I e-mailed them I lost a lot of my own incoming 
e-mail... Now, I got an answer, within about 12 hours of the e-mail.. 
So, I'd say their customer service is likely to be pretty good - 12 hour 
response on a weekend..

To start with, SilverOxide is at: http://www.silveroxide.com/

I HAVE heard great things about some of their  specific 
film-oriented/film-mimicking plug-ins, and that's why I had wanted to 
see if their IR plugin was worth a try... I had first heard about the 
plug-ins on this list perhaps a year or more back when people were 
talking about good results converting Color to B&W.   But with IR, as 
with any plugin that attempts to do something as extreme as this 
(guesstimating IR from visible light reflections) there are some 
limitations, the most important seemingly being to choose a scene 
without buildings, etc..

I'll give you an initial review of the IR this week (since I've got a 
blown ankle anyway, with time to kill) and will post a link when the 
full review is up..  (I'm also interested in how the TriX conversion 
compares to The Imaging Factory's "Convert to B&W Pro's" built in TriX 
option., as I've been playing with using the plugin to  convert digital 
images to a Tri-X film curve, followed by using VIsual Infinity's "Grain 
Surgery" to add a Tri X grain effect...)  After I get finished writing 
the pieces for  the other two products I am reviewing,  I'll have a more 
comprehensive review of the SilverOxide line and the SilverIR product in 
particular.

I should note for those of you wedded to a 16 bit B&W workflow, that 
Silver Oxide has 16 bit versions of  it's filters!

Keith


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Editor P.O.V. Image Service wrote:

> Silver Oxide has a Silver IR filter that looks pretty good...
>
> But, they have never answered a single e-mail from me about their 
> products..


 

 

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I shoot a bit of infrared (HIE), scan the negs, adjust in Photoshop
and print digitally. You can shoot infrared to be contrasty or
relatively flat, much IR effect or less so, and grainy or not so much
by adjusting the EI. But that's at the initial capture and
development. I treat it just as any other film in PS and found nothing
special that is unique to IR images. 

But if you're trying to use PS to duplicate IR results with
conventional film, it doesn't seem to work at all. Infrared film has
sensitivity that extends into a range beyond that of conventional
film, so it captures additional information. Without that information
on the neg or in a file there is nothing you can do in Photoshop to
create it. 

Bob Michaels

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jtaylor1120"
<jtaylor1120@c...> wrote:

> I have scanned through the archives and could not find any thing.  
> Does anyone have a good action for infrared in photoshop?  We have 
> tested several but can't find any thing we find satisfactory. It 
> seems as tho if it is good in one area it is bad in another. Thanks 
> in advance!

Hello Keith,

>I'm also interested in how the TriX conversion 
>compares to The Imaging Factory's "Convert to B&W Pro's" 
>built in TriX option.

I'm real interested in your report.  Looking forward to it.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Clayton Jones wrote:

>Hello Keith,
>
>  
>
>>I'm also interested in how the TriX conversion 
>>compares to The Imaging Factory's "Convert to B&W Pro's" 
>>built in TriX option.
>>    
>>
>
>I'm real interested in your report.  Looking forward to it.
>
>  
>
Thanks!

Surprisingly to me, while it looked very simple at the outset, this
piece is quickly broadening in scope.

Simply because I tend to shoot a lot of traditional Kodak HIE, and I'll
be comparing various digital approaches to creating faux IR images from
color originals.  I'll probably compare all the available options to two
or three actual HIE shots of the same subjects..

For those interested in this piece, it looks like I will compare the Nik
Efex Filter, the SilverOxide Filter, the Channel Mixer option,  and Nick
Thomas' Action.. Would the piece be significantly more useful if I
include the Miranda action as well?





"Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo
Publications), at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/

"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together
guys"

ok, I don't do infared and I haven't tried this product, but Fred 
Miranada sells an action for $8.50.  Might be worth looking into 
(www.fredmiranda.com)... lots of people like his stuff... but I 
haven't used any of it myself.

mark

Hello Keith,

>For those interested in this piece, it looks like I will 
>compare the Nik Efex Filter, the SilverOxide Filter, the 
>Channel Mixer option,  and Nick Thomas' Action.. Would the 
>piece be significantly more useful if I include the Miranda 
>action as well?

I would be for me, otherwise I'd be wondering how it compares.  I
recently bought a Canon G3 and am beginning to experiment with it, so
far some nice results, so I'm getting more interested in this
conversion business.

I'm looking down the road at going completely filmless someday, maybe
a DSLR of some sort in my future - with the G3 I'm testing the waters
to see what sort of BW results can be gotten.  Very nice camera, BTW,
designed with real photography in mind.  They can be had at a good
price these days since the G5 came out.

Regards,
Clayton


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