Digital BW, The Print

Thanks for any help.

Patrick In DC

Julian Thomas wrote:

1160 still available in UK @

www.dabs.co.uk

But they told me they will not ship to US.  Too bad for me!

Patrick


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lawrencetrek" 
<ltitle@h...> wrote:

> Julian Thomas wrote:
> 
> 1160 still available in UK @
> 
> www.dabs.co.uk

The price at dabs.com for the 1160 is L225.60 with VAT and L192 without VAT.

Has anyone ever tried having a friend ship one of these the US?

Were there any problems? Does anyone know whether or not this price, with 
overseas shipping figured in, represents a good value?

Best,
David

At 11:37 AM 8/28/03 +0000, you wrote:
>But they told me they will not ship to US.  Too bad for me!
>
>Patrick
>
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lawrencetrek"
><ltitle@h...> wrote:
> > Julian Thomas wrote:
> >
> > 1160 still available in UK @
> >
> > www.dabs.co.uk

David Jackson
First Year Experience Program
Tulane University

Voice: (504) 865-5264
Fax:    (504) 862-8455
Email: lagniap@...

David Jackson wrote:
> The price at dabs.com for the 1160 is L225.60 with VAT and L192
> without VAT.
>
> Has anyone ever tried having a friend ship one of these the US?
>
> Were there any problems? Does anyone know whether or not this price,
> with overseas shipping figured in, represents a good value?

Epson Stylus 1160 printers are still available new in Australia too.
Like
those sold in the UK these are made for 240V power. If you have 110V
supply you would need a step-up transformer...

Peter Marquis-Kyle
www.marquis-kyle.com.au

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Jackson 
<lagniap@t...> wrote:
> The price at dabs.com for the 1160 is L225.60 with VAT and L192 
without VAT.
> 
> Has anyone ever tried having a friend ship one of these the US?
> 
> Were there any problems? Does anyone know whether or not this 
price, with 
> overseas shipping figured in, represents a good value?
> 
> Best,
> David
> 

I recently had a friend ship a 1290 to me in Greece.  It weighed just 
over 10kg.  Based on this, if you go to
http://www.royalmail.com/portal/default/all/home;jsessionid=0CTCMNVYU2
TFWCRAZRMEOSQKEDGFMQ2K?
paf_gear_id=100002&paf_gm=content&paf_dm=full&paf_gear_state=con_conte
nt&xmlPath=/docContent/xml/generalContent/Postal_prices.xml&_requestid
=327506
and click on "postal calculator" you will find that, with insurance 
it will cost about GBP75.  Then there are customs and duties in the 
US!

You may need a wire wound transformer on top of that as others have 
suggested.

I guess ebay is a better option.

Maybe I should set up a container shipment from the UK?

Colin

At 08:00 AM 8/29/03 +1000, Peter Marquis-Kyle wrote:

>Epson Stylus 1160 printers are still available new in Australia too.
>Like those sold in the UK these are made for 240V power. If you have 110V
>supply you would need a step-up transformer...


And at 10:41 AM 8/29/03 +0000, Colin wrote:

<snip> you will find that, with insurance it will cost about GBP75.
Then there are customs and duties in the US!

You may need a wire wound transformer on top of that as others have
suggested.

I guess ebay is a better option.

Maybe I should set up a container shipment from the UK?

********************

Thanks to both for saving me from a foolish venture.

David



David Jackson
Project Assistant
First Year Experience Program
Tulane University
New Orleans, Louisiana

201A Alcee Fortier Building
Monday - Friday, 8:30 - 5

Voice: (504) 865-5264
Fax:    (504) 862-8455
Email: lagniap@...
Web:   http://www.tulane.edu/~lagniap/

Is the 1160 reaching legend status? I've been using the Piezo inks for three
years.  With the 1160, I had clogs and banding. I switched to the 1280 and
the problems virtually disappeared.  Think 1280
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "colingruk" <cconway@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 5:41 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Need 1160 - Good Price? Shipping to US


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Jackson
> <lagniap@t...> wrote:
> > The price at dabs.com for the 1160 is L225.60 with VAT and L192
> without VAT.
> >
> > Has anyone ever tried having a friend ship one of these the US?
> >
> > Were there any problems? Does anyone know whether or not this
> price, with
> > overseas shipping figured in, represents a good value?
> >
> > Best,
> > David
> >
>
> I recently had a friend ship a 1290 to me in Greece.  It weighed just
> over 10kg.  Based on this, if you go to
> http://www.royalmail.com/portal/default/all/home;jsessionid=0CTCMNVYU2
> TFWCRAZRMEOSQKEDGFMQ2K?
> paf_gear_id=100002&paf_gm=content&paf_dm=full&paf_gear_state=con_conte
> nt&xmlPath=/docContent/xml/generalContent/Postal_prices.xml&_requestid
> =327506
> and click on "postal calculator" you will find that, with insurance
> it will cost about GBP75.  Then there are customs and duties in the
> US!
>
> You may need a wire wound transformer on top of that as others have
> suggested.
>
> I guess ebay is a better option.
>
> Maybe I should set up a container shipment from the UK?
>
> Colin
>
>
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At 08:07 AM 8/30/03 -0500, Avron Gordon wrote, somewhat rhetorically:

>Is the 1160 reaching legend status? I've been using the Piezo inks for three
>years.  With the 1160, I had clogs and banding. I switched to the 1280 and
>the problems virtually disappeared.  Think 1280

I have an opportunity to purchase a little-used 1160 for $215 total from a 
member of this list, but I do wonder about the "legend" status of the 1160. 
Should one still be looking at this printer or not? It is still a preferred 
purchase over either the 1280 or the 2200?

It was suggested to me that if I wanted to do Black Only printing (which I 
was going to start off with) that I would be better off with a 1280.

If I'm looking to set up a dedicated Quadtone printer, is this model a 
better choice than one of the newer ones?

Any thoughts?

Many thanks,
David Jackson




David Jackson
Project Assistant
First Year Experience Program
Tulane University
New Orleans, Louisiana

201A Alcee Fortier Building
Monday - Friday, 8:30 - 5

Voice: (504) 865-5264
Fax:    (504) 862-8455
Email: lagniap@...
Web:   http://www.tulane.edu/~lagniap/

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Jackson 
<lagniap@t...> wrote:
> >Is the 1160 reaching legend status? I've been using the Piezo inks 
for three
> >years.  With the 1160, I had clogs and banding. I switched to the 
1280 and
> >the problems virtually disappeared.  Think 1280
> 
> I have an opportunity to purchase a little-used 1160 for $215 total 
from a 
> member of this list, but I do wonder about the "legend" status of 
the 1160. 
> Should one still be looking at this printer or not? It is still a 
preferred 
> purchase over either the 1280 or the 2200?

Hi, I can't tell anything about the 2200, but I use an 1160 since 2 
years with Full Spectrum inks, and I think its an inexpensive printer 
that gives very nice results. I once compared a print made on a 1290 
with the same print made on the 1160, and the 1290 gives a slightly 
finer dither pattern, so overall if the 1160 is - lets say - 90% of 
the actually highest possible quality with inkjet prints the 1290 
would be at 95 percent. And 100 percent? I don't know, maybe an Iris 
printer, I've never seen one :-)

For the money the 1160 is great and good enough for excellent b&w 
prints, but I think its not a magic machine either. Built quality and 
quality control is probably higher on the 1290 and of course on the 
2200. They are probably also faster. So I guess no need to create 
legends...

regards Bernie

Hello David,

>It was suggested to me that if I wanted to do Black Only printing 
>(which I was going to start off with) that I would be better off 
>with a 1280.

I don't use either one (I use an 870) but have seen beautiful BO
prints from 1160 and 1280.  I've never seen a comparison (same print
on both), but the 1160 is certainly capable.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie Ess" 
<albatros-@g...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Jackson 
> <lagniap@t...> wrote:
> > >Is the 1160 reaching legend status? I've been using the Piezo 
inks 
> for three
> > >years.  With the 1160, I had clogs and banding. I switched to 
the 
> 1280 and
> > >the problems virtually disappeared.  Think 1280
> > 
> > I have an opportunity to purchase a little-used 1160 for $215 
total 
> from a 
> > member of this list, but I do wonder about the "legend" status of 
> the 1160. 
> > Should one still be looking at this printer or not? It is still a 
> preferred 
> > purchase over either the 1280 or the 2200?
> 
> Hi, I can't tell anything about the 2200, but I use an 1160 since 2 
> years with Full Spectrum inks, and I think its an inexpensive 
printer 
> that gives very nice results. I once compared a print made on a 
1290 
> with the same print made on the 1160, and the 1290 gives a slightly 
> finer dither pattern, so overall if the 1160 is - lets say - 90% of 
> the actually highest possible quality with inkjet prints the 1290 
> would be at 95 percent. And 100 percent? I don't know, maybe an 
Iris 
> printer, I've never seen one :-)
> 
> For the money the 1160 is great and good enough for excellent b&w 
> prints, but I think its not a magic machine either. Built quality 
and 
> quality control is probably higher on the 1290 and of course on the 
> 2200. They are probably also faster. So I guess no need to create 
> legends...
> 
> regards Bernie


While perusing Ebay looking for a wide format printer, I noted that 
used 1160 printers were being bid and sold at about the same price as 
the 1280's and in some cases higher. Some of the 1280's were even new 
or refurbished. Is there some reason why a used 1160 is valued as 
high as a 1280? Is it because of the non-chipped carts, or is it 
perceived as a better printer even though the 1280 prints at 2880 
dpi, 6 inks, and probably improved engineering. A puzzlement to me.

Don

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie Ess" 
<albatros-@g...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Jackson 
> <lagniap@t...> wrote:
> > >Is the 1160 reaching legend status? I've been using the Piezo 
inks 
> for three
> > >years.  With the 1160, I had clogs and banding. I switched to 
the 
> 1280 and
> > >the problems virtually disappeared.  Think 1280
> > 
> > I have an opportunity to purchase a little-used 1160 for $215 
total 
> from a 
> > member of this list, but I do wonder about the "legend" status of 
> the 1160. 
> > Should one still be looking at this printer or not? It is still a 
> preferred 
> > purchase over either the 1280 or the 2200?
> 
> Hi, I can't tell anything about the 2200, but I use an 1160 since 2 
> years with Full Spectrum inks, and I think its an inexpensive 
printer 
> that gives very nice results. I once compared a print made on a 
1290 
> with the same print made on the 1160, and the 1290 gives a slightly 
> finer dither pattern, so overall if the 1160 is - lets say - 90% of 
> the actually highest possible quality with inkjet prints the 1290 
> would be at 95 percent. And 100 percent? I don't know, maybe an 
Iris 
> printer, I've never seen one :-)
> 
> For the money the 1160 is great and good enough for excellent b&w 
> prints, but I think its not a magic machine either. Built quality 
and 
> quality control is probably higher on the 1290 and of course on the 
> 2200. They are probably also faster. So I guess no need to create 
> legends...
> 
> regards Bernie


While perusing Ebay looking for a wide format printer, I noted that 
used 1160 printers were being bid and sold at about the same price as 
the 1280's and in some cases higher. Some of the 1280's were even new 
or refurbished. Is there some reason why a used 1160 is valued as 
high as a 1280? Is it because of the non-chipped carts, or is it 
perceived as a better printer even though the 1280 prints at 2880 
dpi, 6 inks, and probably improved engineering. A puzzlement to me.

Don

> >> >Is the 1160 reaching legend status? ...


>While perusing Ebay looking for a wide format printer, I noted that
>used 1160 printers were being bid and sold at about the same price as
>the 1280's and in some cases higher. Some of the 1280's were even new
>or refurbished. Is there some reason why a used 1160 is valued as
>high as a 1280? Is it because of the non-chipped carts, or is it
>perceived as a better printer even though the 1280 prints at 2880
>dpi, 6 inks, and probably improved engineering. A puzzlement to me.

I use an 1160 and 1280.  The 1160 is simpler -- only 4 inks and non-chipped
carts.  So, when I'm playing around with new inkset ideas, it's less work.

The 1280, however, is a better printer.  Not only is the 2880 resolution
valuable for RC papers, but the printer is also smoother at 1440.  This is
not just due to the light inks.  The black ink dither pattern or dot size
seems significantly better.  The 1280 can also lay down more ink.  With
Eboni I can get a 1.7 dmax on EEM at 2880.  The 1160 can't do this.

I'm starting to move to inksets that won't work on the 1160 at all.  So,
while I've been a big fan of the 1160, it's now in semi-retirement.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com