Digital BW, The Print

the fact that my 1280's printhead apparently needs to be replaced and that i needed to print some 8x10s this weekend gave me the excuse to go out and buy an hp 7960.

it sure is fancy looking.  i wish they would have done without the direct print capabilities, display, etc.  who needs it?

well, so i put in the #59 grey cartridge and fired up some prints.  i was totally FLOORED!  what came out (using HP's super premium plus glossy) was nothing short of spectacular.  perfect transitions, neutral tone, beautiful light greys and shadows.

i can honestly say that the results out of the box beat anything I ever got out of my 1280, even when using the MIS VM hextones.  that is not to say that someone like paul roark can't get better prints, but for more intermediate level folks like me, it was spectacular.

of course i don't have to go into the things that aren't great about the printer for pro applications (chiefly the paper size for me) - they have already been discussed, but for any beginning to intermediate level printers out there who are looking for a no-fuss 8 x 10 printer that produces great sellable prints, I highly recommend the 7960.  I bought mine at Office Depot for $298.-

i'll get my 1280 fixed and use it for larger formats, but for now up to 8x10 i will probably use the 7960.

cheers,

boris

p.s.:  there seems to be one quirk with the driver.  in ps6, after you have printed one picture, you have to close photoshop and re-open it before you can adjust the printer settings for the 7960.  any ideas?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

any hard information on archival properties of the b&w photos?

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Boris Wiedenfeld 
<bwiedenfeld@b...> wrote:
> the fact that my 1280's printhead apparently needs to be replaced 
and that i needed to print some 8x10s this weekend gave me the excuse 
to go out and buy an hp 7960.
> 
> it sure is fancy looking.  i wish they would have done without the 
direct print capabilities, display, etc.  who needs it?
> 
> well, so i put in the #59 grey cartridge and fired up some prints.  
i was totally FLOORED!  what came out (using HP's super premium plus 
glossy) was nothing short of spectacular.  perfect transitions, 
neutral tone, beautiful light greys and shadows.
> 
> i can honestly say that the results out of the box beat anything I 
ever got out of my 1280, even when using the MIS VM hextones.  that 
is not to say that someone like paul roark can't get better prints, 
but for more intermediate level folks like me, it was spectacular.
> 
> of course i don't have to go into the things that aren't great 
about the printer for pro applications (chiefly the paper size for 
me) - they have already been discussed, but for any beginning to 
intermediate level printers out there who are looking for a no-fuss 8 
x 10 printer that produces great sellable prints, I highly recommend 
the 7960.  I bought mine at Office Depot for $298.-
> 
> i'll get my 1280 fixed and use it for larger formats, but for now 
up to 8x10 i will probably use the 7960.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> boris
> 
> p.s.:  there seems to be one quirk with the driver.  in ps6, after 
you have printed one picture, you have to close photoshop and re-open 
it before you can adjust the printer settings for the 7960.  any 
ideas?
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes.  Wilhelm rated it at 73 years when using their premium plus 
glossy paper (which is very nice btw).


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hahn" 
<markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
> any hard information on archival properties of the b&w photos?
> 
> mark
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Boris 
Wiedenfeld 
> <bwiedenfeld@b...> wrote:
> > the fact that my 1280's printhead apparently needs to be 
replaced 
> and that i needed to print some 8x10s this weekend gave me the 
excuse 
> to go out and buy an hp 7960.
> > 
> > it sure is fancy looking.  i wish they would have done without 
the 
> direct print capabilities, display, etc.  who needs it?
> > 
> > well, so i put in the #59 grey cartridge and fired up some 
prints.  
> i was totally FLOORED!  what came out (using HP's super premium 
plus 
> glossy) was nothing short of spectacular.  perfect transitions, 
> neutral tone, beautiful light greys and shadows.
> > 
> > i can honestly say that the results out of the box beat anything 
I 
> ever got out of my 1280, even when using the MIS VM hextones.  
that 
> is not to say that someone like paul roark can't get better 
prints, 
> but for more intermediate level folks like me, it was spectacular.
> > 
> > of course i don't have to go into the things that aren't great 
> about the printer for pro applications (chiefly the paper size for 
> me) - they have already been discussed, but for any beginning to 
> intermediate level printers out there who are looking for a no-
fuss 8 
> x 10 printer that produces great sellable prints, I highly 
recommend 
> the 7960.  I bought mine at Office Depot for $298.-
> > 
> > i'll get my 1280 fixed and use it for larger formats, but for 
now 
> up to 8x10 i will probably use the 7960.
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > boris
> > 
> > p.s.:  there seems to be one quirk with the driver.  in ps6, 
after 
> you have printed one picture, you have to close photoshop and re-
open 

> it before you can adjust the printer settings for the 7960.  any 
> ideas?
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>... Wilhelm rated it at 73 years when using their premium plus
>glossy paper (which is very nice btw).

I'd really like to see how this new inkset stacks up against the pigmented
ones.  It would be interesting to see how the shorter-term tone/hue
differences compare.  I'll run a fade test if someone can supply a 21-step
test print sample.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
________________________________


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hahn"
<markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
> any hard information on archival properties of the b&w photos?
>
> mark
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Boris
Wiedenfeld
> <bwiedenfeld@b...> wrote:
> > the fact that my 1280's printhead apparently needs to be
replaced
> and that i needed to print some 8x10s this weekend gave me the
excuse
> to go out and buy an hp 7960.
> >
> > it sure is fancy looking.  i wish they would have done without
the
> direct print capabilities, display, etc.  who needs it?
> >
> > well, so i put in the #59 grey cartridge and fired up some
prints.
> i was totally FLOORED!  what came out (using HP's super premium
plus
> glossy) was nothing short of spectacular.  perfect transitions,
> neutral tone, beautiful light greys and shadows.
> >
> > i can honestly say that the results out of the box beat anything
I
> ever got out of my 1280, even when using the MIS VM hextones.
that
> is not to say that someone like paul roark can't get better
prints,
> but for more intermediate level folks like me, it was spectacular.
> >
> > of course i don't have to go into the things that aren't great
> about the printer for pro applications (chiefly the paper size for
> me) - they have already been discussed, but for any beginning to
> intermediate level printers out there who are looking for a no-
fuss 8
> x 10 printer that produces great sellable prints, I highly
recommend
> the 7960.  I bought mine at Office Depot for $298.-
> >
> > i'll get my 1280 fixed and use it for larger formats, but for
now
> up to 8x10 i will probably use the 7960.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > boris
> >
> > p.s.:  there seems to be one quirk with the driver.  in ps6,
after
> you have printed one picture, you have to close photoshop and re-
open
> it before you can adjust the printer settings for the 7960.  any
> ideas?
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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I went to the HP website and saw a lot of specs, but didn't see a good
description of how this printer actually works.  Is this using all the
colors, or just black?  And is it dye ink?

Ed

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Boris Wiedenfeld [mailto:bwiedenfeld@...] 
<snip>
> well, so i put in the #59 grey cartridge and fired up some 
> prints.  i was totally FLOORED!  what came out (using HP's 
> super premium plus glossy) was nothing short of spectacular.  
> perfect transitions, neutral tone, beautiful light greys and shadows.
<snip>

Very cool!  thanks.

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "borisw8" 
<bwiedenfeld@b...> wrote:
> Yes.  Wilhelm rated it at 73 years when using their premium plus 
> glossy paper (which is very nice btw).
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hahn" 
> <markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
> > any hard information on archival properties of the b&w photos?
> > 
> > mark
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Boris 
> Wiedenfeld 
> > <bwiedenfeld@b...> wrote:
> > > the fact that my 1280's printhead apparently needs to be 
> replaced 
> > and that i needed to print some 8x10s this weekend gave me the 
> excuse 
> > to go out and buy an hp 7960.
> > > 
> > > it sure is fancy looking.  i wish they would have done without 
> the 
> > direct print capabilities, display, etc.  who needs it?
> > > 
> > > well, so i put in the #59 grey cartridge and fired up some 
> prints.  
> > i was totally FLOORED!  what came out (using HP's super premium 
> plus 
> > glossy) was nothing short of spectacular.  perfect transitions, 
> > neutral tone, beautiful light greys and shadows.
> > > 
> > > i can honestly say that the results out of the box beat 
anything 
> I 
> > ever got out of my 1280, even when using the MIS VM hextones.  
> that 
> > is not to say that someone like paul roark can't get better 
> prints, 
> > but for more intermediate level folks like me, it was spectacular.
> > > 
> > > of course i don't have to go into the things that aren't great 
> > about the printer for pro applications (chiefly the paper size 
for 

> > me) - they have already been discussed, but for any beginning to 
> > intermediate level printers out there who are looking for a no-
> fuss 8 
> > x 10 printer that produces great sellable prints, I highly 
> recommend 
> > the 7960.  I bought mine at Office Depot for $298.-
> > > 
> > > i'll get my 1280 fixed and use it for larger formats, but for 
> now 
> > up to 8x10 i will probably use the 7960.
> > > 
> > > cheers,
> > > 
> > > boris
> > > 
> > > p.s.:  there seems to be one quirk with the driver.  in ps6, 
> after 
> > you have printed one picture, you have to close photoshop and re-
> open 
> > it before you can adjust the printer settings for the 7960.  any 
> > ideas?
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

the black cartridge is interchangeable with a photo grey cartridge 
which has black, medium grey and light grey ink.  the inks are dye-
based.  from what i have read, the longevity is partly due to the 
fact that their paper has a non porous, but rather a swellable top-
surface, making the print much less prone to evaporative fading.  I 
assume that UV light-fastness will not be as good as pigment.

Paul, if you email me your address I'll send you a 21 step.

cheers,

Boris

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Mathews" 
<ed@l...> wrote:
> I went to the HP website and saw a lot of specs, but didn't see a 
good
> description of how this printer actually works.  Is this using all 
the
> colors, or just black?  And is it dye ink?
> 
> Ed
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Boris Wiedenfeld [mailto:bwiedenfeld@b...] 
> <snip>
> > well, so i put in the #59 grey cartridge and fired up some 
> > prints.  i was totally FLOORED!  what came out (using HP's 
> > super premium plus glossy) was nothing short of spectacular.  
> > perfect transitions, neutral tone, beautiful light greys and 
shadows.
> <snip>