Digital BW, The Print

I'm not really interested in a debate of Mac vs. PC.  Hadn't seen a thread start regarding this either.

A few concise comments about Win2k vs. XP would be greatly appreciated.  Obviously the source of the question would stem from the upgrade requirements for PS CW (8) from a Win98 machine.  In looking at some reviews it seems the XP takes up quite a bit of memory and don't read much about the Win2k.

Was thinking of reformatting the hard drive anyway and thought it would be best to install new system if I'm going to do all that.

Thanks,
Cleavis



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XP = better upgrade (not recommended) experience.  
XP = better USB support, better firewire support.
 
If I was setting up a workstation it would be XP Pro.
 
brentley

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyons Cox [mailto:lyonscox@...] 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 23:12
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Win2k or XP?


I'm not really interested in a debate of Mac vs. PC.  Hadn't seen a
thread start regarding this either.

A few concise comments about Win2k vs. XP would be greatly appreciated.
Obviously the source of the question would stem from the upgrade
requirements for PS CW (8) from a Win98 machine.  In looking at some
reviews it seems the XP takes up quite a bit of memory and don't read
much about the Win2k.

Was thinking of reformatting the hard drive anyway and thought it would
be best to install new system if I'm going to do all that.

Thanks,
Cleavis



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* -----Original Message-----
* From: Lyons Cox [mailto:lyonscox@...] 
* Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 11:12 PM
* To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
* Subject: [Digital BW] Win2k or XP?
* 
* 
* I'm not really interested in a debate of Mac vs. PC.  Hadn't 
* seen a thread start regarding this either.
* 
* A few concise comments about Win2k vs. XP would be greatly 
* appreciated.  Obviously the source of the question would stem 
* from the upgrade requirements for PS CW (8) from a Win98 
* machine.  In looking at some reviews it seems the XP takes up 
* quite a bit of memory and don't read much about the Win2k.
* 
* Was thinking of reformatting the hard drive anyway and 
* thought it would be best to install new system if I'm going 
* to do all that.
* 

Cleavis,

XP is the replacement for 2000 so go for the newer version. It has been out
for quite awhile, "patched" extensively already and will get more support
than 2000. Recently upgraded from 2000 to XP on my main machine and
everything seems fine. XP has been running on my wife's machine for 18
months or so and has been very stable.

Which ever one you install, make sure you go to Windows Update to get
everything up to date.

Martin

Cleavis writes:

> A few concise comments about Win2k vs. XP would
> be greatly appreciated.

Windows 2000 emphasizes stability and security.  Windows XP emphasizes
functionality and user-friendliness.  The former OS targets mostly a
business market, the latter OS targets mostly a home market.  However, there
is a great deal of overlap between the two systems, which are both based on
the Windows NT family of operating systems.  They are both vastly superior
to the pure consumer versions of Windows (Windows 95 et al.).  Both are rock
stable.

> Obviously the source of the question would stem
> from the upgrade requirements for PS CW (8) from
> a Win98 machine.  In looking at some reviews it seems
> the XP takes up quite a bit of memory and don't
> read much about the Win2k.

They both take up a lot more memory than consumer versions of Windows.  Both
should support Photoshop without any problems.  I even run Photoshop on the
Home Edition of Windows XP (because that's what came with the box), and it
runs just fine.

> Was thinking of reformatting the hard drive anyway and
> thought it would be best to install new system if I'm
> going to do all that.

You gain a great deal of stability and security by moving from Windows 9x to
Windows XP or 2000.  You may lose a bit of compatibility with very old
applications.  These NT-based systems also tend to use more resources on the
machine, although most machines nowadays have resources to burn.

Note that for Photoshop, you can never have too much RAM.

I recently purchased an Epson 3200 with the intention of scanning 
Polaroid type 55 film. (I can't afford the high-end.) I'm using 
Silverfast AI. If anyone in the group has experience with this workflow 
or could suggest any resources I would appreciate hearing about it. As 
this might be OT an email response to me would be welcome.

Thank you,

John Merrill

I put a response here last week to someone using Pol55 and I will copy
the significant part below. I did not go into the scanning details, just
the creation of a decent looking negative, which could help with
scanning later. Make sure to keep those flimsy negs flat in the scanner.

Polaroid 55 needs some attention. If you develop it for a good print you
will get a thin negative. If you want a better, denser and slightly
contrastier negative, it should be developed longer, about twice as long
if I recall correctly. The Pol55 negative should be cleared as soon as
possible after development, and some people prefer to fix, wash, wipe,
and dry them traditionally. Watch out as the film is extremely thin and
the emulsion is fragile. Experiment with some scraps if you go this
route.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Merrill [mailto:jmerrill@...] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:24 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Type 55 film

I recently purchased an Epson 3200 with the intention of scanning 
Polaroid type 55 film. (I can't afford the high-end.) I'm using 
Silverfast AI. If anyone in the group has experience with this workflow 
or could suggest any resources I would appreciate hearing about it. As 
this might be OT an email response to me would be welcome.

Thank you,

John Merrill

You might try your question with this group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson3200/

Chris Hargens

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, John Merrill 
<jmerrill@s...> wrote:
> I recently purchased an Epson 3200 with the intention of scanning 
> Polaroid type 55 film. (I can't afford the high-end.) I'm using 
> Silverfast AI. If anyone in the group has experience with this 
workflow 
> or could suggest any resources I would appreciate hearing about it. 
As 

> this might be OT an email response to me would be welcome.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> John Merrill

John,

I scan Type 55 all the time on my Epson Expression 1680. It actually scans very nicely and produces quite acceptable prints. However, FWIW I would recommend Vuescan over Silverfast Ai. I have both (Silverfast Ai6) and have always been more pleased with the Vuescan scans. I find Silverfast to render quite contrasty results and it really seems to dump the deep shadow values. Part of the problem could be my 1680, but Vuescan seems to handle just about everything I throw at it.

Good luck,
Alan Huntley

> 
> From: John Merrill <jmerrill@...>
> Date: 2003/10/06 Mon AM 08:24:28 EDT
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Type 55 film
> 
> I recently purchased an Epson 3200 with the intention of scanning 
> Polaroid type 55 film. (I can't afford the high-end.) I'm using 
> Silverfast AI. If anyone in the group has experience with this workflow 
> or could suggest any resources I would appreciate hearing about it. As 
> this might be OT an email response to me would be welcome.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> John Merrill
> 
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I agree.  Also, XP seems to be the prefered platform for software developers developing the types of software those of us on the forum are interested in.  Probably a better long term investment. I run XP PRO for Photoshop, and 2000 on my 'real' job computer. Even the corporate machine (which there are thousands in the company I work for) are being moved to XP PRO.

Brentley Beerline <brentley_beerline@...> wrote:
XP = better upgrade (not recommended) experience.  
XP = better USB support, better firewire support.

If I was setting up a workstation it would be XP Pro.

brentley

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyons Cox [mailto:lyonscox@...] 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 23:12
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Win2k or XP?


I'm not really interested in a debate of Mac vs. PC.  Hadn't seen a
thread start regarding this either.

A few concise comments about Win2k vs. XP would be greatly appreciated.
Obviously the source of the question would stem from the upgrade
requirements for PS CW (8) from a Win98 machine.  In looking at some
reviews it seems the XP takes up quite a bit of memory and don't read
much about the Win2k.

Was thinking of reformatting the hard drive anyway and thought it would
be best to install new system if I'm going to do all that.

Thanks,
Cleavis



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"The Pol55 negative should be cleared as soon as possible after 
  development, and some people prefer to fix, wash, wipe, and dry 
  them traditionally. Watch out as the film is extremely thin and
  the emulsion is fragile."
No reason to fix Polaroid negs. Hardener is good, but hardened negs 
remain fragile until they're dry. It's a bad idea to wipe any wet neg, 
especially Polaroid, so after hardening and washing, just agitate it 
gently in PhotoFlo for five to 10 seconds and hang on an angle to 
dry in as dust-free a place as possible. If you force-dry, you negate 
one of the purposes of PhotoFlo, which is to carry debris off the neg 
down to the drip line.

On the other hand... back in the pre-digital days, when I needed an
"instant neg" I held washed and PhotoFlo'd Polaroid 665 negs (for medium 
format) by a corner and blasted them with a hair dryer. Worked fine for
less than 8X10 prints.

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At 08:24 AM 10/6/03 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently purchased an Epson 3200 with the intention of scanning
>Polaroid type 55 film. (I can't afford the high-end.) I'm using
>Silverfast AI. If anyone in the group has experience with this workflow
>or could suggest any resources I would appreciate hearing about it. As
>this might be OT an email response to me would be welcome.
>
>Thank you,
>
>John Merrill

John,

Not exactly work-flow but: an anti-newton ring glass is great for holding 
negs flat. See my web  page: http://www.panoramacamera.us/m_2450test.html
Using "Auto" with Silverfast gets you there in great shape.  Be sure to 
re-set curves and levels for each image. How are you going to print? quads, 
piezo, mono-blacks?  I think you need to scan for the type of output - 
others may disagree. It is better to go for the best quality scan instead 
of trying to fix it in PS to suite the output.  Monitor calibration is 
important.

AZ

Build a Lookaround!
The Lookaround Book, 2nd ed.
NOW SHIPPING
http://www.panoramacamera.us

I would add to the excellent comments on this thread that you should do a
clean install (not upgrade) and above all use the NTFS file format on your
hard disk. The FAT file systems are the source of much of Windows
instability. NTFS is more reliable & secure.  -BK

Actually the cause of most Windows stability problems is driver related,
it is rarely the file system that has problems.   A good example of this
is the USB stack.   If you plug in a device that is unrecognized and
then load an improper driver the system reboots in Windows 2000.  In XP
the system just carries on.  The USB subsystem in XP is more robust and
was integrated better.
 
As for  clean installs this is highly recommended, but the upgrade from
98  can work.
 
NTFS should be the filesystem of choice, it is far more tolerant of
system failures and is better at self repair.
 
Hope this helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Kelsall [mailto:bktimes@...] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 18:33
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Win2k or XP?


I would add to the excellent comments on this thread that you should do
a
clean install (not upgrade) and above all use the NTFS file format on
your
hard disk. The FAT file systems are the source of much of Windows
instability. NTFS is more reliable & secure.  -BK





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> NTFS is more reliable & secure

Not to mention faster.

-- 
Jon Dubovsky ( entropy@... )

Actually this is not true.  In many cases FAT16 or FAT32 are faster.
 
In the old days of SQL MSFT used to advise folks to put temp files and
transactions logs on fat drives because they have less overhead when
reading and writing.  Same thing with things like exchange transaction
logs.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Dubovsky [mailto:entropy@...] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 19:05
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Win2k or XP?


> NTFS is more reliable & secure

Not to mention faster.

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Brentley writes:

> Actually the cause of most Windows stability problems is driver related,
> it is rarely the file system that has problems.

True, but power failures and other events can corrupt the FAT file
structure, whereas this is never a risk with NTFS.  I've never seen
corruption of either of these on my machines, though, so it's rare enough
not to worry about much.

Brentley writes:

> In the old days of SQL MSFT used to advise folks to put temp files and
> transactions logs on fat drives because they have less overhead when
> reading and writing.  Same thing with things like exchange transaction
> logs.

That was the official line, but I still advised users to put files on NTFS.
I never saw much of a performance difference, and the transaction logs were
really important (not to mention worth of some security protection as well).
Better to get faster processors or drives than to resort to FAT just to get
a tiny performance improvement.

I never said it was a good idea, just that it was the official line at
one time.  :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:anthony@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 00:18
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Win2k or XP?

That was the official line, but I still advised users to put files on
NTFS.
I never saw much of a performance difference, and the transaction logs
were
really important (not to mention worth of some security protection as
well).
Better to get faster processors or drives than to resort to FAT just to
get
a tiny performance improvement.

Sorry for the Off Topic question, but I hope someone can help me.

    Some time ago I upgraded my Mac G3 Blue and White to OS9.2.  Ever since
I've had a problem with my monitor erratically failing to function; it gives
me an 'out-of-scan-range' message.  Rebooting usually fixes it but I
sometimes have to reboot several times.

    Several days ago I upgraded to OSX which seemed to fix that problem, but
I've noticed that the monitor display erratically changes resolution when I
boot.  I can fix that when I without rebooting, but it seems to me there is
a problem with my video card.  I think I have the most recent drivers for
the ATI Rage 128.

    Any suggestions?


 STEPHEN    JENNINGS
     P h o t o g r a p h e r
        Cambridge, MA
 sgjennin@...
www.stephenjennings.com

>     Some time ago I upgraded my Mac G3 Blue and White to OS9.2.  Ever since
> I've had a problem with my monitor erratically failing to function; it gives
> me an 'out-of-scan-range' message.  Rebooting usually fixes it but I
> sometimes have to reboot several times.


Steve,

Is there a converter/adapter where the VGA plug meets the video card? It's a little 
plug like thing with dip switches. Sounds like those dip switches are not set properly.

John V