Digital BW, The Print

In a message dated 10/6/03 12:10:28 AM, 


  I have printing with a 2000p using Epson carts for two years now, but B&W 
prints with a neutral tone is an increasingly important need. So does any one 
out there have any suggestions.  

   Any recommendation about Epson 1280 vs 2000P for B&W printing.  I am 
considering converting a refurbished Epson Printer to a B&W machine. The prices for 
the 2000P on E-bay are around $200 and 1280 runs about $299. Which of these 
do the group think might be a long term solution? 
  

What about whether to use cartridges or convert one or the other to a B&W CIS?

And for the last can of worms, any recommends on B&W ink set To be able to 
create tones would be nice but consistency neutral tones and ease of use would 
be more important than color tints.

Craig Worth 
www.cuzzins.com

The 1280 is much more widely supported than the 2000P.

I use and make my new curves and inksets on the 1280 now.

I recommend using some pre-filled carts to see if you like an inkset before
you use a CIS/CFS.  Try before you buy.

Enjoy the journey.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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From: cworth6900@... [mailto:cworth6900@...]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:52 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 1280 vs 2000P for B&W printing



In a message dated 10/6/03 12:10:28 AM,


  I have printing with a 2000p using Epson carts for two years now, but B&W
prints with a neutral tone is an increasingly important need. So does any
one
out there have any suggestions.

   Any recommendation about Epson 1280 vs 2000P for B&W printing.  I am
considering converting a refurbished Epson Printer to a B&W machine. The
prices for
the 2000P on E-bay are around $200 and 1280 runs about $299. Which of these
do the group think might be a long term solution?


What about whether to use cartridges or convert one or the other to a B&W
CIS?

And for the last can of worms, any recommends on B&W ink set To be able to
create tones would be nice but consistency neutral tones and ease of use
would
be more important than color tints.

Craig Worth
www.cuzzins.com


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Craig,
 
I think the majority opinion among experienced digital b/w printers is
that the 1280 is the way to go among the current desktop (13" wide)
options, whether one uses Piezography or MIS products.  I have been
using a 1280 with PiezoTone Selenium inks on Photo Rag paper for about a
year-and-a-half now, and I am very happy with it.  It produces beautiful
prints.
 
The CIS will save you money on ink costs over the long run, but from the
many posts in this group, it seems that cartridges give fewer problems
with respect to clogs than the CIS.  I cannot speak with any authority
on that specifically, because I have had my 1280 set up using the CIS
from the beginning and have never used cartridges.  Just my opinion, but
I think clogging is a very real, but over-hyped, issue on this site.  I
know it happens, but reading the many posts on the topic one may
conclude that continuous clogging is an ongoing problem.  My own
experience is otherwise; not that I don't have clogs, I do occasionally,
but good work practices keep them at a minimum.  I always keep my
printer covered when not in use.  On days that I don't make any prints,
I still (at minimum) run a nozzle check just to move some fresh ink
through the heads.  And finally, when my 4 oz. bottles get half empty, I
fill them up.  A fellow Piezo printer recommended this to me, and I
think it helps.  I guess I would recommend the CIS if you think you will
be a pretty frequent printer, and the cartridges if you will be printing
fairly infrequently; others may have differing opinions.
 
As far as ink choices go, again, I can only speak to my own experience.
I have used both the PiezoTone warm-neutral inks and my current inkset,
the PiezoTone Selenium Tone.  It's a personal, subjective choice, but
these inks produce the most beautiful digital b/w prints I have seen.
Although, I have a couple of Paul Roark's prints using the MIS UltraTone
inks, one with the "neutral" curve and the other with the "warm" curve.
They are also outstanding.  The MIS inks do give you toning
possibilities, which the PiezoTones do not, at least not in the desktop
format.  I don't think you could go wrong with either of these choices.
Good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: cworth6900@... [mailto:cworth6900@...] 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:52 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 1280 vs 2000P for B&W printing
 

In a message dated 10/6/03 12:10:28 AM, 


  I have printing with a 2000p using Epson carts for two years now, but
B&W 
prints with a neutral tone is an increasingly important need. So does
any one 
out there have any suggestions.  

   Any recommendation about Epson 1280 vs 2000P for B&W printing.  I am 
considering converting a refurbished Epson Printer to a B&W machine. The
prices for 
the 2000P on E-bay are around $200 and 1280 runs about $299. Which of
these 
do the group think might be a long term solution? 
  

What about whether to use cartridges or convert one or the other to a
B&W CIS?

And for the last can of worms, any recommends on B&W ink set To be able
to 
create tones would be nice but consistency neutral tones and ease of use
would 
be more important than color tints.

Craig Worth 
www.cuzzins.com




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Howdy Craig,

I used one 2000P to the brink of death doing mostly black and white
printing... and because the warranty expired a while back, I just
bought one of the refurbs on ebay ($167.50)..! since they come with an
Epson one year warranty, it makes way more sense to me than paying for
a servicing. since I have a service manual, I intend to take my
current 2000P apart and hopefully learn a thing or two.

True, the majority of folks on the list seem to prefer the 1280, and
Paul's point about his work being based on his use of the 1280 is
probably even more incentive, but I have found a couple of his curves
for the 1290 printer that give me excellent results with the MIS VM
inks (and even the UT inks..!) on most papers. one of my favorites is
Epson's Velvet Fine Art... and the Arches Infinity seems very nice too!

as for the CIS question, I did purchase a system from MIS, but never
set it up. I started out wanting to try a few before committing and
now just find it easier to fill empty carts and reset chips that I
pull from the Epson carts. if my printing volume ever goes up, I will
probably attach the tubes and bottles...

Happy deciding!

Tom De Carlo



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, cworth6900@a...
wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 10/6/03 12:10:28 AM, 
> 
> 
>   I have printing with a 2000p using Epson carts for two years now,
but B&W 
> prints with a neutral tone is an increasingly important need. So
does any one 
> out there have any suggestions.  
> 
>    Any recommendation about Epson 1280 vs 2000P for B&W printing.  I am 
> considering converting a refurbished Epson Printer to a B&W machine.
The prices for 
> the 2000P on E-bay are around $200 and 1280 runs about $299. Which
of these 
> do the group think might be a long term solution? 
>   
> 
> What about whether to use cartridges or convert one or the other to
a B&W CIS?
> 
> And for the last can of worms, any recommends on B&W ink set To be
able to 
> create tones would be nice but consistency neutral tones and ease of
use would 

> be more important than color tints.
> 
> Craig Worth 
> www.cuzzins.com