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2001-10-06 by lyonscox@mindspring.com
Is available mostly on line as a sample for those impoverished types. http://www.lenswork.com/acrobat2.htm LW#36 contains the gallery talk. Cleavis in AZ. Able to keep up witht the thead only because the printer is running :-)
2001-10-07 by lyonscox@mindspring.com
Excuse me, That edition has the edition talk.
> LW#36 contains the gallery talk (wrong) / edition talk (yes). > > Cleavis in AZ.
2001-10-07 by bbstudio_photo@yahoo.com
A 3-part series of articles describing (and seriously questioning) photographic collecting standards hardened my own opinion to not bother with editioning. It ran in Camera Arts magazine from the June/July through October/November 2000 issues. The excellent series is by A.D. Coleman. www.cameraarts.com (though the articles are not digitized) Conrad Chavez --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., lyonscox@m... wrote:
> Is available mostly on line as a sample for those impoverished > types. > > http://www.lenswork.com/acrobat2.htm > > LW#36 contains the gallery talk. > > Cleavis in AZ. > Able to keep up witht the thead > only because the printer is running :-)
2001-10-07 by lyonscox@mindspring.com
Forget it. I leapt before I look-ed :-) It's just the intro. But it is enticing & I hope my library will get it for me. Cleavis. Someone's comment recently about how the computer makes people do things before they think because they feel they can always go back and correct it is hitting me in the back of the skull.
> Excuse me, > That edition has the edition talk. > > LW#36 contains the gallery talk (wrong) / edition talk (yes). > > Cleavis in AZ.
2001-10-07 by Mark Tucker
Ironically, after having Nina and others attempting to rebuild my confidence about inkjet printing, and after Jennifer's suggestion to look at LensWork, I picked up a copy tonight. It's No.37, Sept/Oct.2001. On pages 14 and 15 of this issue are full page ads for original prints by a guy named Larry Wiese. Each of the full page ads touts that the prints for sale are (and I quote exactly): "Hand-pulled photogravure (not inkjet!)" And yes, the exclamation point was really there. The next line of copy refers the reader to their website to read a "description of this process". So, after being built up, I'm now back in my rightful place as a low-life inkjet printer. I guess I'll rejoin my buddies, in search of Britney Spears fakes, and I'll give up on the whole romantic loft warehouse thing. It was fun while it lasted, Nina; thank you for a joyful four hours of self-respect. In addition, if you REALLY want to get depressed, go ahead and read that article that Steve Myers mentioned; "Dealing with Dealers", in that same issue; hearing about these photo dealers makes Jesse Jackson come off like Mother Teresa. --- Honestly, seeing that ad in LensWork, (not inkjet!), almost got me pissed. It's like when someone slams a member of your family; you might not like your Momma, but nobody's got the right to badmouth her! I feel like I want us to band together to give this new medium some respect. -Mark Tucker, Hand-pulled Lowlife
2001-10-07 by christopher.patti@ucop.edu
I feel like I want us to band together to give this > new medium some respect. > > -Mark Tucker, Hand-pulled Lowlife Could we use a verb other than "band"?
2001-10-07 by Mark Tucker
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., christopher.patti@u... > Could we use a verb other than "band"? Christopher, Does this inspire more confidence: "Shifting and sliding before the day's ever-changing green and magenta dawn, our merry group of inkjet printers decides to band together before they fade away."
2001-10-07 by Nij
Flash! Flash! You only have fourteen hours to raise the profile of inkjet printing... <<That would have been so much better if Todd had written the quote below... ;) >> And for what it's worth... I agree entirely Mark. So what can we do? Educate, for sure... ??? Nij
> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Tucker [mailto:mark@...] > I feel like I want us to band together to give this > new medium some respect. >
2001-10-07 by Carolyn Frayn
Mark, are we free to use this wittecism on our web sites??!! ;-) Wonderful!!!
> > Christopher, Does this inspire more confidence: > > "Shifting and sliding before the day's ever-changing green and > magenta dawn, our merry group of inkjet printers decides to > band together before they fade away."
2001-10-07 by Mark Tucker
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Carolyn Frayn <carolyn@u...> wrote: > Mark, are we free to use this wittecism on our web sites??!! ;-) > Wonderful!!! Fine to use anything I write. But since I write with dyes instead of pigments, you'd better cut'n'paste pretty fast. By tomorrow, that post will probably be hard to read. ---- I know we're all kidding around about this, but seriously, am I the only one that's concerned, or is getting this weird vibe when I mention that they're inkjet prints? I know that all this is temporary; someday, one day, hopefully all inks will be at least pigment, if not something much better that hasn't even been invented yet. And I know that since I work with MIS dyes, I'm even more sensitive to it (but at least my prints aren't green by the window any more). From all these suggestions, I like anything with the word "carbon" in it. Carbon has that connotation like it's the oldest substance on the entire planet. Carbon is Biblical. Carbon is The Book of Genesis. My issue is that I don't think MIS color dyes contain carbon; I think you guys are talking about Piezo inks having carbon. So again, I'm left behind. What about "Photographic dye ink on watercolor paper"? Is that too wordy? I like the word "ink"; ink sounds long-lasting, like the Declaration of Independence. "Dye" sounds like Rit Dye, which doesnt' sound permanent. But I honestly DO think that conversations like this are healthy; just to keep this permance/language thing in the forefront.
2001-10-07 by Todd Flashner
I hate to say this, but I honestly feel if you are using dyes there is nothing you can say in the description to assuage the viewers longevity fears. If you feel it needs to be mentioned, I'd work it into an artists statement, and see if Wilhelm has any figures to cite based upon your materials combination (specific papers and ink), perhaps providing a link to the his site. But in truth, I think as you're working with a *CLASS of materials that are not the longest lasting (*though certain combinations of dyes and papers CAN outperform pigments. I'm speaking not of specifics, but of perceptions) I think the less said about dyes the better. I'd just call them inks. Todd
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Carolyn Frayn > <carolyn@u...> wrote: >> Mark, are we free to use this wittecism on our web sites??!! ;-) >> Wonderful!!! > > Fine to use anything I write. But since I write with dyes instead of > pigments, you'd better cut'n'paste pretty fast. By tomorrow, that > post will probably be hard to read. > > ---- > > I know we're all kidding around about this, but seriously, am I the > only one that's concerned, or is getting this weird vibe when I > mention that they're inkjet prints? > > I know that all this is temporary; someday, one day, hopefully all > inks will be at least pigment, if not something much better that > hasn't even been invented yet. And I know that since I work with > MIS dyes, I'm even more sensitive to it (but at least my prints > aren't green by the window any more). > > From all these suggestions, I like anything with the word > "carbon" in it. Carbon has that connotation like it's the oldest > substance on the entire planet. Carbon is Biblical. Carbon is The > Book of Genesis. My issue is that I don't think MIS color dyes > contain carbon; I think you guys are talking about Piezo inks > having carbon. So again, I'm left behind. > > What about "Photographic dye ink on watercolor paper"? Is that > too wordy? I like the word "ink"; ink sounds long-lasting, like the > Declaration of Independence. "Dye" sounds like Rit Dye, which > doesnt' sound permanent. > > But I honestly DO think that conversations like this are healthy; > just to keep this permance/language thing in the forefront. >
2001-10-07 by sdmey4@aol.com
In a message dated 10/06/2001 8:52:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mark@... writes: Snip> > But I honestly DO think that conversations like this are healthy; > just to keep this permance/language thing in the forefront. > > I agree! We all have issues concerning life span. I think over time we just > accept it. Most of us have way to much time and money into this to throw > the towel in easily. I often wonder if I'am in digital because its better > or am I in because I don't feel like darkroom work anynore. Are we lazy? Am > I lazy? This is certainly as time consuming and certainly not cheaper by > any means than traditional methods.Dealers, galleries are always on the > hunt for exhibit ideas, we all need to incourage what ever contacts we have > to curate digital print only shows. > Steve Meyers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2001-10-07 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" <mark@m...> snip ...since I write with dyes instead of > pigments, you'd better cut'n'paste pretty fast. By tomorrow, that > post will probably be hard to read. You're stuck. Say you make these beautiful objects with the only currently available materials that will make them this beautiful! Nothing less than this image quality is acceptable to you. It'll last as long as many other kinds of art with color if properly cared for, and it'll certainly outlast a car, which was far more expensive. Exactly how long will it last? This kind of astounding beauty of image is only recently available, and nobody yet knows for sure. But why wait! This edition may sell out any minute... Tyler
2001-10-07 by Steadman Uhlich
Tyler, You can "rep" my prints anyday! Steadman
----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler Boley
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 11:27 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Lenswork Issue (Our New Slogan)
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" <mark@m...>
snip
...since I write with dyes instead of
> pigments, you'd better cut'n'paste pretty fast. By tomorrow, that
> post will probably be hard to read.
You're stuck. Say you make these beautiful objects with the only
currently available materials that will make them this beautiful!
Nothing less than this image quality is acceptable to you.
It'll last as long as many other kinds of art with color if properly
cared for, and it'll certainly outlast a car, which was far more
expensive.
Exactly how long will it last? This kind of astounding beauty of image
is only recently available, and nobody yet knows for sure. But why
wait! This edition may sell out any minute...
Tyler
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2001-10-07 by ternahan
I'm framing it! t
> From: "Mark Tucker" <mark@...> > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:27:21 -0000 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Lenswork Issue (Our New Slogan) > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., christopher.patti@u... >> Could we use a verb other than "band"? > > Christopher, Does this inspire more confidence: > > "Shifting and sliding before the day's ever-changing green and > magenta dawn, our merry group of inkjet printers decides to > band together before they fade away." > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
2001-10-07 by ternahan
you are on a roll!
> From: "Mark Tucker" <mark@...> > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:51:31 -0000 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Lenswork Issue (Our New Slogan) > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Carolyn Frayn > <carolyn@u...> wrote: >> Mark, are we free to use this wittecism on our web sites??!! ;-) >> Wonderful!!! > > Fine to use anything I write. But since I write with dyes instead of > pigments, you'd better cut'n'paste pretty fast. By tomorrow, that > post will probably be hard to read. > > ---- > > I know we're all kidding around about this, but seriously, am I the > only one that's concerned, or is getting this weird vibe when I > mention that they're inkjet prints? > > I know that all this is temporary; someday, one day, hopefully all > inks will be at least pigment, if not something much better that > hasn't even been invented yet. And I know that since I work with > MIS dyes, I'm even more sensitive to it (but at least my prints > aren't green by the window any more). > >> From all these suggestions, I like anything with the word > "carbon" in it. Carbon has that connotation like it's the oldest > substance on the entire planet. Carbon is Biblical. Carbon is The > Book of Genesis. My issue is that I don't think MIS color dyes > contain carbon; I think you guys are talking about Piezo inks > having carbon. So again, I'm left behind. > > What about "Photographic dye ink on watercolor paper"? Is that > too wordy? I like the word "ink"; ink sounds long-lasting, like the > Declaration of Independence. "Dye" sounds like Rit Dye, which > doesnt' sound permanent. > > But I honestly DO think that conversations like this are healthy; > just to keep this permance/language thing in the forefront. > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
2001-10-07 by Carolyn Frayn
my jaws are sore... you people are just too funny! :-D Thanks for making this list the best around! Info, respect, humour and even some well placed expletives ... cool! Carolyn
> >> Fine to use anything I write. But since I write with dyes instead of >> pigments, you'd better cut'n'paste pretty fast. By tomorrow, that >> post will probably be hard to read. >> >> ----
2001-10-07 by Carolyn Frayn
Mark wrote... > I know we're all kidding around about this, but seriously, am I the > only one that's concerned, or is getting this weird vibe when I > mention that they're inkjet prints? No, I think we are all concerned and vibed. But, as with everything we do, we can only do our best with what is available... and *that* we *all* do too excess! snip... > What about "Photographic dye ink on watercolor paper"? Is that > too wordy? I like the word "ink"; ink sounds long-lasting, like the > Declaration of Independence. "Dye" sounds like Rit Dye, which > doesnt' sound permanent. India Ink is archival...?!? ;-) I'd use ink somewhere, I agree about the dye... > But I honestly DO think that conversations like this are healthy; > just to keep this permance/language thing in the forefront. Agreed... other lists put an end to such discussions as being off topic, that is what makes this list so special... Carolyn