Digital BW, The Print

Why not refill with Ultrachromes from 7600 carts; about 1/4 of the price per
ml or ounce, as compared with the 2200 carts.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "flyfishingusa2002" <tflyfish@...>

 The only problem that I have with the
2200 is the costs of inks. I'm about to try refilling myself with
the MIS compatible product.

Bob,
Simple, Epson, along with all the printer companies rip all of us 
off with their consumable prices. I would rather give the money to a 
company like MIS who have helped to make DigitalBlackand 
WhiteThePrint much easier to achieve. If they have a compatible 
product, as they usually do, then I will purchase from them.

Sierra Gold

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Frost" 
<bobfrost@b...> wrote:
> Why not refill with Ultrachromes from 7600 carts; about 1/4 of the 
price per

> ml or ounce, as compared with the 2200 carts.
> 
> Bob Frost.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "flyfishingusa2002" <tflyfish@c...>
> 
>  The only problem that I have with the
> 2200 is the costs of inks. I'm about to try refilling myself with
> the MIS compatible product.

flyfishingusa2002 wrote:

>Bob,
>Simple, Epson, along with all the printer companies rip all of us 
>off with their consumable prices. 
>

Sierra,

I've, in the past been, one of the most vocal critics of the 
cost-shifting to consumables (particularly inks).  However, I think I 
need to bring something I'm hearing through the grapevine on this note 
to the attention of list members.  More than one source in the industry 
(none of them from EPSON btw) has told me that EPSON has apparently 
decided to alter its pricing model a bit..  Apparently, given the 
European Union law on recyclable/reusable cartridges and pressure on 
other quarters, as well as the maturing and change in the market itself, 
they are moving from a model in which inks were the prime cost 
recouping/profit item to one where papers and consumable media are...

IF this IS true, I have no problem with EPSON building profiles into 
their software for all the new media they introduce (which would keep 
most consumers from using much other media) - that bar to changing media 
is not that high, but should be more than enough for the average 
consumer to choose to use EPSON branded media, while at the same time, 
they aren't imprisoned by high inks prices.. 

Of course, this is potentially a double edged sword for those of us 
here.  The profitability of alternative inks has been a driving force in 
the development of  and sustainability of 3rd party inks (especially the 
innovative B&W quadsets etc.).  Yet, I think the market is now mature 
enough and broad enough that those consumers/prosumers like us in these 
niche markets will still be willing to pay a premium for the niche 
products even if the cost of OEM inks drops...  With more people 
entering these niches all the time, and the continuing expansion of 
inkjets into every home, I think that both parts of the biz can remain 
quite profitable: EPSON, and others, as OEM manufacturers and the 3rd 
party people serving specific target markets.. Thoughts?

One last comment, IF the rumored changes are true EPSON deserves kudos  
for taking a more environmentally friendly tack (making recycling/reuse 
more viable), and for leading the OEMs in that direction...

As an aside, Sierra, I think "rip all of us off" is a bit too strong a 
way to characterize the cost-shifting to inks - it may be 
anti-competitive or a less than popular business model, but "ripping us 
off" implies outright theft and I really don't think that's a fair way 
to categorize it - this isn't anywhere near the level of after hours 
mutual funds trades or cooking the books - it's simply, to me, a 
business model I abhorred and couldn't support..  Not to mention that, 
in the case of those of us on the list we often have the best of both 
worlds, cheap initial printer costs and the availability of low-cost 
and/or specialty inks from other manufacturers (who see profit in those 
products)...

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
 
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"




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Fair enough; that's your opinion. I tried MIS VM with my 1270 and 1290 and
got the first lot of clogs I've ever experienced. I'm not paying to spend my
time and money going thro' endless cleaning cycles, and putting even more
ink down the drain. Epson have sorted that out, so they get my money.

bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "flyfishingusa2002" <tflyfish@...>


Bob,
Simple, Epson, along with all the printer companies rip all of us
off with their consumable prices. I would rather give the money to a
company like MIS who have helped to make DigitalBlackand
WhiteThePrint much easier to achieve. If they have a compatible
product, as they usually do, then I will purchase from them.

I had the same problem with a 1200 and a 1270, but the 2200 is 
different in that is uses pigment inks rather than dye based. As a 
matter of fact both my 1200 and 1270 clogged on a regular basis even 
using the Epson inks. Great color gamut, but the cloggs made it more 
than they were worth. Since i purchased a 2200 I have never looked 
back. I also run a 3000 with MIS inks and dispite letting it sit 
powered off for weeks sometimes, it never takes more than one 
cleaning cycle to get it firing on all jets...I assume that you have 
also first hand experiance with the 2200 and MIS inks? If you have 
and have had problems with cloggs on the 2200 then I shall steer 
clear of them and follow you advice and purchase 7600 to refill from.


Sierra Gold

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Frost" 
<bobfrost@b...> wrote:
> Fair enough; that's your opinion. I tried MIS VM with my 1270 and 
1290 and
> got the first lot of clogs I've ever experienced. I'm not paying 
to spend my
> time and money going thro' endless cleaning cycles, and putting 
even more
> ink down the drain. Epson have sorted that out, so they get my 
money.
> 
> bob Frost.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "flyfishingusa2002" <tflyfish@c...>
> 
> 
> Bob,
> Simple, Epson, along with all the printer companies rip all of us
> off with their consumable prices. I would rather give the money to 
a

> company like MIS who have helped to make DigitalBlackand
> WhiteThePrint much easier to achieve. If they have a compatible
> product, as they usually do, then I will purchase from them.

--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "flyfishingusa2002" 
<tflyfish@c...> wrote:
> I had the same problem with a 1200 and a 1270, but the 2200 is 
> different in that is uses pigment inks rather than dye based. As a 
> matter of fact both my 1200 and 1270 clogged on a regular basis 
even 
> using the Epson inks. 

All I ever used was Epson inks and my 1280 clogged every couple of 
weeks. Great prints, but a PIA when it came to clogs. 

My 2200 has never yet clogged with Epson inks. Not even with 
switching back and forth with Matte Black and Photographic Black 
inks. Whichever is not in use is stored in a Ziploc-type plastic bag.

Cheers,

Mitch

Me too.  I'll grant that the Ultrachrome inks are somewhat on the expensive side.  However, I've been printing on my 9600 for a year now, and never had a bad nozzle check or clog.  I like that. The ink prices may be high, but certainly not a rip off.
 
Tom Baker

Bob Frost <bobfrost@...> wrote:
Fair enough; that's your opinion. I tried MIS VM with my 1270 and 1290 and
got the first lot of clogs I've ever experienced. I'm not paying to spend my
time and money going thro' endless cleaning cycles, and putting even more
ink down the drain. Epson have sorted that out, so they get my money.

bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "flyfishingusa2002" <tflyfish@...>


Bob,
Simple, Epson, along with all the printer companies rip all of us
off with their consumable prices. I would rather give the money to a
company like MIS who have helped to make DigitalBlackand
WhiteThePrint much easier to achieve. If they have a compatible
product, as they usually do, then I will purchase from them.



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