Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
For the past month, I've been going over getting a RIP for about $500.00 or
a second printer with MIS b/w inks.
I downloaded the evaluation version of  Imageprint and did some test prints
on the 2200, they looked much better then the Epson driver but didn't look
as good as I was hoping. Plus the amount of ink used in those little carts
for printing b/w photos with large amounts of black or dark areas was
amazing.

I settled on getting a used 1270 from Ebay for $125.00 and the CFS VM ink
system from MIS.
Last night everything came in,  I setup the MIS system ( the instructions
for the MIS install is a little confusing but re-reading made it make
sense.) on the printer and had to do a few nozzle cleanings before that
looked right.

Then using Paul Roark's Curves that were marked NCA (no color adjustment)
and following his workflow to the letter my first print look great ! (and
the second , third, etc.)
I was blown away by the blacks. Now I'm kicking myself for wasting so much
time and money on ink and paper trying to get my 2200 to print decent b/w
prints.

If you are doing what I did, contemplating a RIP or separate b/w printer, do
the printer. Its cheaper and you end up with higher quality prints.

Paul, Thanks for your hard work making this simple for the rest of us.

Jake


Jake Hellbach Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Hellbach" 
> Then using Paul Roark's Curves that were marked NCA (no color 
adjustment)
> and following his workflow to the letter my first print look 
great ! (and
> the second , third, etc.)
> I was blown away by the blacks. Now I'm kicking myself for wasting 
so much
> time and money on ink and paper trying to get my 2200 to print 
decent b/w
> prints.

Congrats on your b&w printing.
Since you still have a 2200 printer you could try Black Only printing 
with this printer. All you you would need is one UT-Eboni black 
cartridge for the E2200. And its compatible with the Epson UC color 
inks.

Read more on BO printing at:
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Eboni Black Cartridge:
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/ultratone.html

Cheer,
Andre

Caution - the Eboni cartridge on the page you referenced is chipped to 
fit only in the light black ink position of the 2200 and will not work 
for BO printing.  They do sell Eboni in a K postion cart, but I don't 
know the link for that item at the moment.

On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 11:17  AM, sceptre12345 wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Hellbach"
>> Then using Paul Roark's Curves that were marked NCA (no color
> adjustment)
>> and following his workflow to the letter my first print look
> great ! (and
>> the second , third, etc.)
>> I was blown away by the blacks. Now I'm kicking myself for wasting
> so much
>> time and money on ink and paper trying to get my 2200 to print
> decent b/w
>> prints.
>
> Congrats on your b&w printing.
> Since you still have a 2200 printer you could try Black Only printing
> with this printer. All you you would need is one UT-Eboni black
> cartridge for the E2200. And its compatible with the Epson UC color
> inks.
>
> Read more on BO printing at:
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>
> Eboni Black Cartridge:
> http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/ultratone.html
>
> Cheer,
> Andre
>
>
>
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> wrote:
> Caution - the Eboni cartridge on the page you referenced is chipped 
to 
> fit only in the light black ink position of the 2200 and will not 
work 
> for BO printing.  They do sell Eboni in a K postion cart, but I 
don't 
> know the link for that item at the moment.

Sorry about that. Maybe Clayton can help ?
Cheers,
Andre

I found the link for the page with the Eboni K position cart  
(ARC-T0348-K):
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/epsoncomps_2200.html

Carl

On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 12:53  PM, sceptre12345 wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
> <scho@m...> wrote:
>> Caution - the Eboni cartridge on the page you referenced is chipped
> to
>> fit only in the light black ink position of the 2200 and will not
> work
>> for BO printing.  They do sell Eboni in a K postion cart, but I
> don't
>> know the link for that item at the moment.
>
> Sorry about that. Maybe Clayton can help ?
> Cheers,
> Andre
>
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <
scho@m...> wrote:
> I found the link for the page with the Eboni K position cart  
> (ARC-T0348-K):
> http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/epsoncomps_2200.html
> 

Is this Eboni K cart for use with matte papers, glossy papers, or both?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chipcarterdc" <
chipcarterdc@h...> wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <
> scho@m...> wrote:
> > I found the link for the page with the Eboni K position cart  
> > (ARC-T0348-K):
> > http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/epsoncomps_2200.html
> > 
> 
> Is this Eboni K cart for use with matte papers, glossy papers, or both?

> Congrats on your b&w printing.
> Since you still have a 2200 printer you could try Black Only 
printing 
> with this printer. All you you would need is one UT-Eboni black 
> cartridge for the E2200. And its compatible with the Epson UC color 
> inks. 

Andre

Are you saying that for b/o printing in the 2200 that one ONLY needs 
a black cartridge and not the other six?

Terry Lyons
www.TLphoto.net

> From: Terry [mailto:teelions@...]
>
> Are you saying that for b/o printing in the 2200 that one ONLY needs
> a black cartridge and not the other six?

I expect the printer will refuse to operate if any of the other six are
missing, but in Black Ink Only mode they won't actually be used, so you can
leave the stock Epson inks in there.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Hello Paul,

>>Are you saying that for b/o printing in the 2200 that one ONLY 
>>needs a black cartridge and not the other six?
> 
>I expect the printer will refuse to operate if any of the other six 
>are missing, 

True.


>but in Black Ink Only mode they won't actually be used,

Actually they are used slowly over time during cleaning cycles, so
eventually they must be replaced.  But they aren't used in the BO
print so they can be anything.  But Eboni does seem to work ok with
the UC inks, so if you want to do color as well just keep the UC
carts.  They are $7.90 each at Atlex.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm


>so you can leave the stock Epson inks in there.