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Troble with ImageExportBW

Troble with ImageExportBW

2003-12-07 by Terry

I'm having difficulties printing with the ImageExportBW driver.

The problem is when I choose Export-ImageExportBW from PS (after 
grayscaling the image), the paper just rolls through quickly without 
printing. Then an error reads "This document failed to print" (well, 
duh!!).

It happpens most of the time but I have been able to print through 
the driver but I don't know why it prints when it does. I don't do 
anything dfferent each time.

Has anyone experienced this type of behavior from the software?

Thanks in advance

Terry Lyons
www.TLphoto.net

RE: [Digital BW] Troble with ImageExportBW

2003-12-07 by Martin Wesley

* -----Original Message-----
* From: Terry [mailto:teelions@...] 
* Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:41 PM
* To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
* Subject: [Digital BW] Troble with ImageExportBW
* 
* 
* I'm having difficulties printing with the ImageExportBW driver.
* 
* The problem is when I choose Export-ImageExportBW from PS (after 
* grayscaling the image), the paper just rolls through quickly without 
* printing. Then an error reads "This document failed to print" (well, 
* duh!!).
* 
* It happpens most of the time but I have been able to print through 
* the driver but I don't know why it prints when it does. I don't do 
* anything dfferent each time.
* 
* Has anyone experienced this type of behavior from the software?
* 
Terry,

What platform are you on? I occasionally have the Piezo plug-in (same as
Image Export BW) just feed a sheet without printing but then the red "Out of
Paper" light flashes on the printer. I put the sheet in, hit the feed button
and it prints. This error occur occasionally and without any particular
reason I can detect. Annoying but I figured it was just a paper feed problem
with the printer.

I am on Windows XP and an Epson 1280

Martin Wesley
www.carolyn.cc/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html
www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

Re: [Digital BW] Troble with ImageExportBW

2003-12-07 by gilplant

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:

<snip>

> What platform are you on? I occasionally have the Piezo plug-in (same as
> Image Export BW) just feed a sheet without printing but then the red "Out of
> Paper" light flashes on the printer. I put the sheet in, hit the feed button
> and it prints. This error occur occasionally and without any particular
> reason I can detect. Annoying but I figured it was just a paper feed problem
> with the printer.

I've had the same problem with the Image ExportBW, the Epson driver(s), and QTR 
(CUPS), on the 1160, the 1280 and the 2200, and with Epson papers, Photo Rag, and 
Sommerset Enhanced. I don't think it has anything to do with software. The solution is 
to cut a piece of 3/16" foamcore to the paper size and use it as you would the 
"Loading Support Sheet" that comes in every package of Epson paper.

Gilbert
http://www.gilplant.com

Re: [Digital BW] Trouble with ImageExportBW

2003-12-07 by Terry

Martin

I'm also using a 1280 on Win XP. But I did as you suggested and hit 
the feed button after it shot through the first time and IT WORKED! 
Thanks for the hint.

By the way, I'm using the MIS FSN inks with this driver and I must 
say I am not truely satisfied with the quality of the print as 
compared to the MIS-VM inks I used previously. I'm finding less 
tonality (muddy) and less sharpness with prints using the FSN inks as 
compared with the same images I previous outputted with the VM inks. 
I'm printing on Somerset Velvet paper.

I'm considering switching out the FSN's and trying out the Ultratones 
since I'm still in the experimental stage before committing to a CIS 
system. But the FSN's are brand new. I've only made few prints with 
them. What could I do to enhance the quality of the print?

Terry
http://www.TLphoto.net

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> * -----Original Message-----
> * From: Terry [mailto:teelions@y...] 
> * Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:41 PM
> * To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> * Subject: [Digital BW] Troble with ImageExportBW
> * 
> * 
> * I'm having difficulties printing with the ImageExportBW driver.
> * 
> * The problem is when I choose Export-ImageExportBW from PS (after 
> * grayscaling the image), the paper just rolls through quickly 
without 
> * printing. Then an error reads "This document failed to print" 
(well, 
> * duh!!).
> * 
> * It happpens most of the time but I have been able to print 
through 
> * the driver but I don't know why it prints when it does. I don't 
do 
> * anything dfferent each time.
> * 
> * Has anyone experienced this type of behavior from the software?
> * 
> Terry,
> 
> What platform are you on? I occasionally have the Piezo plug-in 
(same as
> Image Export BW) just feed a sheet without printing but then the 
red "Out of
> Paper" light flashes on the printer. I put the sheet in, hit the 
feed button
> and it prints. This error occur occasionally and without any 
particular
> reason I can detect. Annoying but I figured it was just a paper 
feed problem
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> with the printer.
> 
> I am on Windows XP and an Epson 1280
> 
> Martin Wesley
> www.carolyn.cc/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html
> www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

RE: [Digital BW] Trouble with ImageExportBW

2003-12-07 by Martin Wesley

* -----Original Message-----
* From: Terry [mailto:teelions@...] 
* Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:39 PM
* To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
* Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Trouble with ImageExportBW
* 
* 
* Martin
* 
* I'm also using a 1280 on Win XP. But I did as you suggested and hit 
* the feed button after it shot through the first time and IT WORKED! 
* Thanks for the hint.

Terry,

Take Gilbert's advice as well. I bet if you put the foam core in as he
described you probable won't have to do the double feed anymore.
* 
* By the way, I'm using the MIS FSN inks with this driver and I must 
* say I am not truely satisfied with the quality of the print as 
* compared to the MIS-VM inks I used previously. I'm finding less 
* tonality (muddy) and less sharpness with prints using the FSN inks as 
* compared with the same images I previous outputted with the VM inks. 
* I'm printing on Somerset Velvet paper.

There shouldn't be any difference in the image sharpness unless what you are
seeing the result of reduced contrast which might be perceived as being
softer. Just remember that you have to edit your image file to work with the
different ink and software. It isn't possible to take a file that printed
well with MIS-VM and RGB separation curves and have it print well with FSN
and the plug-in or with any other combination of ink and software. Anytime
you change, ink, paper or software you will have to adjust your image to
compensate for the change in materials. Just like working in the wet
darkroom and changing to a different brand of paper. The contrast, exposure,
burning and dodging all have to be adjusted.
* 
* I'm considering switching out the FSN's and trying out the Ultratones 
* since I'm still in the experimental stage before committing to a CIS 
* system. But the FSN's are brand new. I've only made few prints with 
* them. What could I do to enhance the quality of the print?

I suspect what you are seeing is the double impact of the lower Dmax the
plug-in produces combined with the low Dmax the Somerset Velvet produces.
With the FSN and the plug-in try one of the Hahnemuhle papers such as Photo
Rag, German Etching or William Turner. These should give you a much stronger
black. Or try the Ultratones since that will give you a full black ink
density on the Velvet.

Unfortunately a lot of this comes down to personal experimentation. We all
have our own individual tastes. The only way you can find what pleases you
the most is to try out different combinations of inks, paper and software
until you have a set of materials and a workflow that gives you what you
want.

At some point though you need to pick something and stay with it long enough
to master it. I have seen people make excellent prints with just about every
workflow, inks and paper. I think the quality of their results had more to
do with the time and attention they put into their printing than what
particular materials and methods they chose.

Martin Wesley
www.carolyn.cc/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html
www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

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