Digital BW, The Print

- to get the best possible B&W digital prints?

ImagePrint RIP + Epson 1290 + UltraTone inks

or

ImagePrint RIP + Epson 2200 + Epson UltraChrome inks

or

The (free) QuadTone RIP + Epson 1160 + Quad Inks (which ink set?)

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Any suggestions?


Bjorn

If you use the 2200 with ultrachrome inks you will need the RIP to get
decent b/w prints.
If you use the Ultratone or Quad inks, you don't need a RIP, just use the
workflow and curves that are supplied from Paul Roark.
Personally, I use my 2200 for color and a 1270 with MIS b/w inkset for black
and white.

Jake
Jake Hellbach Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: bjornaagedk [mailto:reklamefoto@...]


  - to get the best possible B&W digital prints?

  ImagePrint RIP + Epson 1290 + UltraTone inks

  or

  ImagePrint RIP + Epson 2200 + Epson UltraChrome inks

  or

  The (free) QuadTone RIP + Epson 1160 + Quad Inks (which ink set?)

  ---

  Any suggestions?



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At 01:48 PM 12/29/2003, you wrote:
>   The (free) QuadTone RIP + Epson 1160 + Quad Inks (which ink set?)

Lately, I've been using the 2200 with Ultrachrome inks and the QuadTone RIP 
and I'm getting very nice b&w prints with tones varying from cool to warm 
with no (or at least extremely little) metamerism.

Stan

================================
Photography by Stan McQueen
http://www.smcqueen.com

Bjorn,

If you're considering IP, I would highly recommend the 2200 over the 1290. The addition of Light Black provides smoother transitions. Roy has done a tremendous job with his QuadToneRIP, however, it relies on GIMP drivers which, in my experience using QTR/GIMP with my 1160, is EXTREMELY slow; about 45 minutes to run an A3 size image. But, you can't beat the price--FREE--and, I believe, Carl S. has curves that utilize the standard UC inkset.

Good luck,
Alan Huntley

> 
> From: "bjornaagedk" <reklamefoto@...>
> Date: 2003/12/29 Mon PM 03:35:25 EST
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] which way should I go?
> 
> - to get the best possible B&W digital prints?
> 
> ImagePrint RIP + Epson 1290 + UltraTone inks
> 
> or
> 
> ImagePrint RIP + Epson 2200 + Epson UltraChrome inks
> 
> or
> 
> The (free) QuadTone RIP + Epson 1160 + Quad Inks (which ink set?)

I know the results from the Imageprint/Epson 2200 combination. 
But it has only the black and the photo black to mix.

Will I get a better result if I use a dedicated b&w printer with f.ex. a MIS quad inkset (4 
or 6 shades of gray) in combination with a workflow or a RIP?

Imageprint (Colorbyte) has profiles for a lot of ink/paper combinations.

Bjorn




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> Bjorn,
> 
> If you're considering IP, I would highly recommend the 2200 over the 1290. The 
addition of Light Black provides smoother transitions. Roy has done a tremendous job 
with his QuadToneRIP, however, it relies on GIMP drivers which, in my experience 
using QTR/GIMP with my 1160, is EXTREMELY slow; about 45 minutes to run an A3 
size image. But, you can't beat the price--FREE--and, I believe, Carl S. has curves that 
utilize the standard UC inkset.

> 
> Good luck,
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: "bjornaagedk" <reklamefoto@m...>
> > Date: 2003/12/29 Mon PM 03:35:25 EST
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] which way should I go?
> > 
> > - to get the best possible B&W digital prints?
> > 
> > ImagePrint RIP + Epson 1290 + UltraTone inks
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > ImagePrint RIP + Epson 2200 + Epson UltraChrome inks
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > The (free) QuadTone RIP + Epson 1160 + Quad Inks (which ink set?)

> From: bjornaagedk [mailto:reklamefoto@...]
>
> - to get the best possible B&W digital prints?
>
> ImagePrint RIP + Epson 1290 + UltraTone inks
>
> or
>
> ImagePrint RIP + Epson 2200 + Epson UltraChrome inks
>
> or
>
> The (free) QuadTone RIP + Epson 1160 + Quad Inks (which ink set?)

Can't advise you as to the output quality, not having used any of those
combos. However, I'll remind you that the 2200 has some other nice features
which might weigh in the mix: FireWire interface, USB2 interface, individual
ink tanks, seven colors, paper cutter, higher resolution.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Bjorn,

>I know the results from the Imageprint/Epson 2200 combination.
>But it has only the black and the photo black to mix.

IP reportedly uses all the inks, except for Yellow. From what I've read, the
Yellow position is not used to avoid any hint of metamerism.

>Will I get a better result if I use a dedicated b&w printer with f.ex. a
MIS quad inkset (4
>or 6 shades of gray) in combination with a workflow or a RIP?

Better? That's a really tough call and you would probably get about as many
answers as the number of people you ask. My former B&W setup was an Epson
1160 running MIS UT inks and using Paul's latest curves. IMO, this
combination provided the best B&W on EEM or PR of any process that I,
personally, had used. I went with IP because I wanted better color output,
and because I grew tired of the "tinkering" required to keep a dedicated B&W
printer running properly. I don't print often enough to avoid issues like
clogs. However, after pulling out a John Custodio (spelling?) print on PR
that I forgot I had--printed on an Epson 7000 with, I believe, the original
Piezo inks--I may set back up my Epson 1160 with Jon Cone's new ICC profiles
and Piezo Warm Tone inkset. For certain images I simply love that more
chocalate (sepia) tonality! Really it comes down to what you want to see in
your prints.

>Imageprint (Colorbyte) has profiles for a lot of ink/paper combinations.

Another reason I went with IP. However, after having a custom profile made
by Andrew Rodney of imagingrevue.com I'm here to tell ya a better profile
than ColorByte's can be had. Makes sense...CB provides generic 2200 profiles
and mine was made specifically for my particular printer. I know this is a
B&W print forum, but if you want to see the absolute best color that a 2200
can deliver go with IP and a custom paper profile!

Alan Huntley