Digital BW, The Print

It seems the moderator has blocked the ability of members to add 
anything to the Files area.

Who needs such heavy-handed censorship? I wasn't aware this group 
was so nervous someone might disagree, that even legitimate 
expression that offers helpful information gets restricted.

I don't participate in censored forums. I hate them, as a matter of 
principle. They are antithetical to artistic expression.

So much for loading the tutorials I mentioned. I'll withdraw the 
offer and leave this group. There are open and tolerant groups on 
Yahoo! Groups and elsewhere on the Web.

If you want to obtain the tutorials, feel free to e-mail me 
(gmitchel850@...). You can also find them at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon10D
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ImagePrint

For those who wondered why I posted these tutorials elsewhere in the 
past instead of here, now you know the answer. ;)

I expect this message will get deleted. That's my experience in the 
past with this moderator. :( I know others who have had similar 
interactions.

While this message does contain helpful information, like where to 
obtain the tutorials, open criticism is not tolerated here. I've 
been told as much by the moderator by e-mail. He considers messages 
such as this to be a flame.

Why did I return to this group? I figure everyone needs to start 
over again once in a while. I had hoped that the moderator had 
learned to be a little more reasonable.

Perhaps toleration will become the norm here in the future. ;) Maybe 
this message will spark such a change. I suspect, a new moderator 
will be needed before open discussion about digital B&W fine art 
printing is allowed here.

Fortunately, this message will go out to those who subscribe by e-
mail before it gets zapped by the moderator. ;)

Cheers,

Mitch

Glenn,

We have posted just about everything to the Files section that people have
offered. I think the only things we have turned down were files that were
very large and would have consumed too much of the space Yahoo gives us, or
stuff we felt was not on-topic for the group. If you wanted something posted
to the Files section, you just had to send it to me or Antonis off-list.
Unfortunately we may not be following the list at all times and simply
missed your on-line request.

We have not given members the ability to post directly to the Files section
since that also includes the ability to delete. We are concerned that would
leave the Files open to accidental damage or malicious mischief.

As for the rest of your complaint about me and the list I am afraid I really
do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. We try not to interfere
with the posts unless things wander off-topic or someone gets rude or
hostile. Check out the group guidelines. Without some guidance and control
by the moderators groups tend to fall into chaos and become useless.

Best,
Martin Wesley

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Mitchell [mailto:gmitchel850@...] 
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:14 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] So Much for Posting Tutorials
> 
> 
> It seems the moderator has blocked the ability of members to add 
> anything to the Files area.
> 
> Who needs such heavy-handed censorship? I wasn't aware this group 
> was so nervous someone might disagree, that even legitimate 
> expression that offers helpful information gets restricted.
> 
> I don't participate in censored forums. I hate them, as a matter of 
> principle. They are antithetical to artistic expression.
> 
> So much for loading the tutorials I mentioned. I'll withdraw the 
> offer and leave this group. There are open and tolerant groups on 
> Yahoo! Groups and elsewhere on the Web.
> 
> If you want to obtain the tutorials, feel free to e-mail me 
> (gmitchel850@yahoo.com). You can also find them at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon10D
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ImagePrint
> 
> For those who wondered why I posted these tutorials elsewhere in the 
> past instead of here, now you know the answer. ;)
> 
> I expect this message will get deleted. That's my experience in the 
> past with this moderator. :( I know others who have had similar 
> interactions.
> 
> While this message does contain helpful information, like where to 
> obtain the tutorials, open criticism is not tolerated here. I've 
> been told as much by the moderator by e-mail. He considers messages 
> such as this to be a flame.
> 
> Why did I return to this group? I figure everyone needs to start 
> over again once in a while. I had hoped that the moderator had 
> learned to be a little more reasonable.
> 
> Perhaps toleration will become the norm here in the future. ;) Maybe 
> this message will spark such a change. I suspect, a new moderator 
> will be needed before open discussion about digital B&W fine art 
> printing is allowed here.
> 
> Fortunately, this message will go out to those who subscribe 
> by e- mail before it gets zapped by the moderator. ;)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mitch
>

Martin,

Keep up the good work. It is a very good list to belong to. Some
'unmoderated' lists that I have frequented spend half their time talking
about politics, lawsuits, and just about anything other than their title
suggests.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>

As for the rest of your complaint about me and the list I am afraid I really
do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. We try not to interfere
with the posts unless things wander off-topic or someone gets rude or
hostile. Check out the group guidelines. Without some guidance and control
by the moderators groups tend to fall into chaos and become useless.