Digital BW, The Print

I ordered an Epson 1280 refurbished from Epson that I am returning
because it is cracked on the back and the prints don't center. I had
purchased a set of UT2 inks for the 1280 but not have installed them
because I am waiting for the replacement printer to arrive. In the
meantime I have been test BO printing on the 1280 to EEM paper with
the Epson cartridge. When the new printer arrives I need to first
install Epson carts to make certain the printer works correctly and
then switch to the MIS cartridges.

Can I take the cartridges out of the original 1280 and place them into
the new 1280 or do I have to open the sealed cartridges that will come
with the replacement printer? I would like to keep the carts that will
come with the replacement printer sealed for future use if needed.

I have been really thrilled with the quality of the BO prints I am
getting just from the Epson black ink. I can't wait to see how the
Eboni black looks in comparison. 

After reading so many tales of woe and anguish I can't believe how
easy BO printing on the 1280 is on my Mac. I plugged the printer in
and right  away was getting great results with prints that are very,
very close to what's on my monitor. I had previously calibrated my LCD
monitor with just a step wedge and that seemed to get me very close.

Thanks,
Jim

> From: jim0266 [mailto:jim0266@...]
> 
> Can I take the cartridges out of the original 1280 and place them into
> the new 1280 or do I have to open the sealed cartridges that will come
> with the replacement printer? I would like to keep the carts that will
> come with the replacement printer sealed for future use if needed.

You can put the used carts in the new printer.

-- 

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Jim,

Can you explain how you calibrated your LCD monitor using the 
step wedge, and where you got the wedge. I use a PowerBook 
G4, which I know isn't the best monitor, but it's what I've got at the 
moment. Thanks.

Cheers,
George

> Can you explain how you calibrated your LCD monitor using the 
> step wedge, and where you got the wedge. I use a PowerBook 
> G4
> George

Here's an excellent software solution to calibrate LCD and CRT monitors:

http://www.bergdesign.com/supercal/

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "glemasurier"
<george.lemasurier@m...> wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> Can you explain how you calibrated your LCD monitor using the 
> step wedge, and where you got the wedge. I use a PowerBook 
> G4, which I know isn't the best monitor, but it's what I've got at
the 
> moment. Thanks.
> 
> Cheers,
> George

I found a step wedge online a few months back at
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/viewing.html that has 21 steps from
black to white and alternating boxes of dark grey and black. I'm not
at that Mac now, but I may also have set the gamma higer than 1.8. I
just made certain that I could see all the steps in the image. I was
pretty surprised when the images that came out of the printer were so
close to the screen. Maybe it's just dumb luck on my part. :)

I'm running a KDS 15" LCD monitor.

Once I get the MIS inks installed I'll try and tweak it if necessary.
I seem to remember trying to run SuperCAL a while back and didn't like
that it gave me. Of course, YMMV.


Jim

Jim: sorry to hear of the problems with your refurb 1280. Especially
since I recommended it. At least they will send you a new one and you
just return the old one in that box. 

Do install the Epson furnished driver and see if that solves your
print centering problem. 

Just print like crazy till the new printer comes. Then return your
original one with empty carts. Your new printer will have new carts. 

And no problems using the MIS carts in your old printer. Just take
them out and put them in your new printer when you're ready. 

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jim0266"
<jim0266@y...> wrote:

> I ordered an Epson 1280 refurbished from Epson that I am returning
> because it is cracked on the back and the prints don't center. I had
> purchased a set of UT2 inks for the 1280 but not have installed them
> because I am waiting for the replacement printer to arrive. In the
> meantime I have been test BO printing on the 1280 to EEM paper with
> the Epson cartridge. When the new printer arrives I need to first
> install Epson carts to make certain the printer works correctly and
> then switch to the MIS cartridges.
> 
> Can I take the cartridges out of the original 1280 and place them into
> the new 1280 or do I have to open the sealed cartridges that will come
> with the replacement printer? I would like to keep the carts that will
> come with the replacement printer sealed for future use if needed.
> 
> I have been really thrilled with the quality of the BO prints I am
> getting just from the Epson black ink. I can't wait to see how the
> Eboni black looks in comparison. 
> 
> After reading so many tales of woe and anguish I can't believe how
> easy BO printing on the 1280 is on my Mac. I plugged the printer in
> and right  away was getting great results with prints that are very,
> very close to what's on my monitor. I had previously calibrated my LCD
> monitor with just a step wedge and that seemed to get me very close.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Michaels"
<bob@b...> wrote:
> Jim: sorry to hear of the problems with your refurb 1280. Especially
> since I recommended it. At least they will send you a new one and you
> just return the old one in that box. 
> 
> Do install the Epson furnished driver and see if that solves your
> print centering problem. 
> 
> Just print like crazy till the new printer comes. Then return your
> original one with empty carts. Your new printer will have new carts. 
> 
> And no problems using the MIS carts in your old printer. Just take
> them out and put them in your new printer when you're ready. 
> 
> Bob Michaels

Bob,

The printed worked great. I just didn't want one with a broken part.
The plastic portion behind where the paper support inserts was cracked
about half way across. I've been very impressed with Espon's service.
I've come to expect customer service hell from companies in general
these days. I called their 800 number on Friday and had someone in
under 5 minutes. They immediately emailed me a shipping label and
arranged for the replacement to go out Monday 2nd day shipping. The
replacement printer arrived on today (Tuesday) as promised.

I couldn't get the new printer to connect. Again a speedy response
from their tech support solved that problem. But I was still getting
prints that weren't centered. This time I had a tech guy on the phone
in about 2 minutes. He walked me through downloading the latest
driver. But that didn't help as it looks like it's a shortcoming of OS
X. I'll have to use photoshop to compensate and center the prints
until they work it out. 

Cheers,
Jim

> From: jim0266 [mailto:jim0266@...]
>
> I couldn't get the new printer to connect. Again a speedy response
> from their tech support solved that problem. But I was still getting
> prints that weren't centered. This time I had a tech guy on the phone
> in about 2 minutes. He walked me through downloading the latest
> driver. But that didn't help as it looks like it's a shortcoming of OS
> X. I'll have to use photoshop to compensate and center the prints
> until they work it out.

Is the print not centered in the long direction? That's normal, I guess
because of the positional relationship between the feed rollers and the
platen. There's a setting to center it, at least in the Windows driver, but
you're warned that the quality may not be perfect near the edge.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

> Is the print not centered in the long direction? 

That is correct.

>That's normal, I guess
> because of the positional relationship between the feed rollers and the
> platen. There's a setting to center it, at least in the Windows
driver, but
> you're warned that the quality may not be perfect near the edge.
> 

I can't find anything in the Epson driver or on the Mac or in
Photoshop to center the print. I've been using canvas size in
Photoshop to add blank space to the print to get it centered. A hack,
but it works.

> From: jim0266 [mailto:jim0266@...]
>
> I can't find anything in the Epson driver or on the Mac or in
> Photoshop to center the print. I've been using canvas size in
> Photoshop to add blank space to the print to get it centered. A hack,
> but it works.

It's in the Windows driver, under the Page Layout tab. I'm surprised it's
not in the Mac.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

I find that by using the ³no margins² driver for the 2100 that my prints are
centred perfectly (Mac, PC-CS).  I don¹t know if this will work with the
1280 but it is worth a shot.

From: "jim0266" <jim0266@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 05:12:21 -0000
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Can I swap Espson 1280 carts between printers?

> Is the print not centered in the long direction?

That is correct.

>That's normal, I guess
> because of the positional relationship between the feed rollers and the
> platen. There's a setting to center it, at least in the Windows
driver, but
> you're warned that the quality may not be perfect near the edge.
> 

I can't find anything in the Epson driver or on the Mac or in
Photoshop to center the print. I've been using canvas size in
Photoshop to add blank space to the print to get it centered. A hack,
but it works.





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On 11/2/04 12:13 pm, "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...> wrote:

>> From: jim0266 [mailto:jim0266@...]
>> 
>> I can't find anything in the Epson driver or on the Mac or in
>> Photoshop to center the print. I've been using canvas size in
>> Photoshop to add blank space to the print to get it centered. A hack,
>> but it works.
> 
> It's in the Windows driver, under the Page Layout tab. I'm surprised it's
> not in the Mac.

It is. Under the Print with preview menu in PS 7.0 - top of the dialogue box
next to the left and top margins is a centre image check box. I read the
left value and uncheck the box, moving the image up the page to optically
centre it without changing the left margin value. Seem to think you have to
have the bounding box check for the centre check box to be active.

--
Regards
David Prakel

Centre of Britain PhotoWorkshops Partnership
www.photopartners.co.uk

At least with the 2100, with the no margins driver you do not need to go
through this hastle.

From: PhotoWorkshops Partnership <info@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:16:00 +0000
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Re: Can I swap Espson 1280 carts between printers?

On 11/2/04 12:13 pm, "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...> wrote:

>> From: jim0266 [mailto:jim0266@...]
>> 
>> I can't find anything in the Epson driver or on the Mac or in
>> Photoshop to center the print. I've been using canvas size in
>> Photoshop to add blank space to the print to get it centered. A hack,
>> but it works.
> 
> It's in the Windows driver, under the Page Layout tab. I'm surprised it's
> not in the Mac.

It is. Under the Print with preview menu in PS 7.0 - top of the dialogue box
next to the left and top margins is a centre image check box. I read the
left value and uncheck the box, moving the image up the page to optically
centre it without changing the left margin value. Seem to think you have to
have the bounding box check for the centre check box to be active.

--
Regards
David Prakel

Centre of Britain PhotoWorkshops Partnership
www.photopartners.co.uk





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Here is an excellent tutorial in centering epson
prints using "print with preview"

Don

http://tinyurl.com/ywmto


--- jim0266 <jim0266@...> wrote:
> > Is the print not centered in the long direction? 
> 
> That is correct.
> 
> >That's normal, I guess
> > because of the positional relationship between the
> feed rollers and the
> > platen. There's a setting to center it, at least
> in the Windows
> driver, but
> > you're warned that the quality may not be perfect
> near the edge.
> > 
> 
> I can't find anything in the Epson driver or on the
> Mac or in
> Photoshop to center the print. I've been using
> canvas size in
> Photoshop to add blank space to the print to get it
> centered. A hack,
> but it works.
> 
> 
> 


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> From: PhotoWorkshops Partnership [mailto:info@...]
>
> It is. Under the Print with preview menu in PS 7.0 - top of the
> dialogue box
> next to the left and top margins is a centre image check box. I read the
> left value and uncheck the box, moving the image up the page to optically
> centre it without changing the left margin value. Seem to think
> you have to
> have the bounding box check for the centre check box to be active.

The checkbox in the Print With Preview dialog, as you found out, centers the
image in the print area defined by the driver, which itself may not be
centered on the paper. I'm talking about a checkbox in the driver itself,
which centers the print area on the paper. It's there in the Windows driver,
but there is a warning that using it may degrade the print at the edge, I
guess because it continues to print after the paper is no longer captured on
both sides of the platen.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

I added a pic of Ibex Dunes to the fm gallery. Not too awful an landscape
for a people shooter. :-)

too bad I didn't have enough time to hike in. The dunes are only about a
mile from the dirt road.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting/showgallery.php?thumb=1&stype=2&perpage=1
2&sort=1&cat=500&si=Lara

> From: Lara [mailto:l.hartley2@...]
>
> I added a pic of Ibex Dunes to the fm gallery. Not too awful an landscape
> for a people shooter. :-)
>
> too bad I didn't have enough time to hike in. The dunes are only about a
> mile from the dirt road.
>
> http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting/showgallery.php?thumb=1&stype=2
> &perpage=12&sort=1&cat=500&si=Lara

Those are beautiful, Lara, especially the Death Valley Junction shots. By
coincidence, I caught the sunrise at the dunes this past Sunday, and will be
posting some pix as soon as I've gone through them.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Sorry, wrong group!

> I added a pic of Ibex Dunes to the fm gallery. Not too awful an landscape
> for a people shooter. :-)
> 
> too bad I didn't have enough time to hike in. The dunes are only about a
> mile from the dirt road.
> 
> http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting/showgallery.php?thumb=1&stype=2&perpage=1
> 2&sort=1&cat=500&si=Lara
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. Hill"
<hill14701@y...> wrote:
> Here is an excellent tutorial in centering epson
> prints using "print with preview"
> 
> Don
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/ywmto
> 

I'm running Epson print driver version 1.56E and by choosing "Standard
- Minimize Margins" it centers the print as suggested in an earlier
reply. No need to jump through the hoops suggested at the website above.

Thanks for the help. This list is great.

--Jim

> Those are beautiful, Lara, especially the Death Valley Junction shots. By
> coincidence, I caught the sunrise at the dunes this past Sunday, and will be
> posting some pix as soon as I've gone through them.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Thanks Paul! Love to see what you shot at the dunes. The others did the
early morning thing at the dunes....I slept in. :-)

I used the curves and lessons I learned in this group to print my first big
b&w today, used up the last of the ink for one good shot of the Ibex Dunes.
I love this process!

Death Valley must have been pretty busy with shooters this weekend, as most
of the groups I am in were talking about being there! I am a PJ but keep
trying for good landscape stuff. It is HARD!

lara


life in the photojournalist's shoes

http://www.digitalstoryteller.com/BTV00/hartley/index.shtml

"Not all that wander are lost"

                                     Bilbo Baggins

> From: Lara [mailto:l.hartley2@...]
>
> Thanks Paul! Love to see what you shot at the dunes. The others did the
> early morning thing at the dunes....I slept in. :-)
>
> I used the curves and lessons I learned in this group to print my
> first big
> b&w today, used up the last of the ink for one good shot of the
> Ibex Dunes.
> I love this process!
>
> Death Valley must have been pretty busy with shooters this
> weekend, as most
> of the groups I am in were talking about being there! I am a PJ but keep
> trying for good landscape stuff. It is HARD!

I've put up a few Death Valley shots in
http://www.pbase.com/pderocco/black_white, including Footprints #1, Dune #1
and Dune #2. I expect to get a few more up there over the next few days.

I only saw about ten people out in the dunes at dawn, and an hour later they
were mostly gone.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

> 
> I've put up a few Death Valley shots in
> http://www.pbase.com/pderocco/black_white, including Footprints #1, Dune #1
> and Dune #2. I expect to get a few more up there over the next few days.
> 
> I only saw about ten people out in the dunes at dawn, and an hour later they
> were mostly gone.

I guess it was busy Saturday morning when my group was there.

You sure made those footprints work for you ‹ the images on pbase are great!
You make me want to go out to Kelso Dunes - a lot closer for me than DV.

lara