Digital BW, The Print

Ed - I found HW Matte to plug up in the shadows, too. I switched to EEM and
it's better. The media type stays to HW Matte on the driver, though. At
first, I was getting dmax readings of 1.68 to 1.72, but I was losing shadow
detail. What I do now is move the whole the image adjustment curve up. Now I
get only around 1.64 dmax but I'm getting better shadow detail. I'm thinking
the C84 lays down too much ink. I was toying with the idea of switching from
"no color management" to "custom" and trying to reduce the saturation
slider. Maybe that's totally misguided.
Cheers,
George

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> From: 	edrudolpho
> Reply To: 	DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 	Friday, February 27, 2004 8:59 AM
> To: 	DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: 	[Digital BW] UT EZ B&W on C84
> 
> Hi all... I installed a set of EZ B&W warm with Eboni black in a C84
> printer last night.  
> On the first test print, the detail came out great but there was
> horizontal banding.  I 
> did a nozzle cleaning cycle and printed again.  On the second print, the
> banding had 
> disappeared but the low mid to shadow detail was crushed.
> 
> These are the settings I used:
> 
> Document: 1.8 gamma (Mac)
> Print Space: Same as source
> 
> Printer Settings: Heavyweight Matte Paper, Best Photo, No Color Management
> 
> Any thoughts?
> Ed
> 
> 
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Thanks for the replies, Paul and George.  George, I have been 
using EEM.  I agree that there may be too much ink.  I also tried 
the Plain Paper and Photo Glossy media types and got the same 
problem.

Ed


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, George 
Le Masurier <george.lemasurier@m...> wrote:
> Ed - I found HW Matte to plug up in the shadows, too. I 
switched to EEM and
> it's better. The media type stays to HW Matte on the driver, 
though. At
> first, I was getting dmax readings of 1.68 to 1.72, but I was 
losing shadow
> detail. What I do now is move the whole the image adjustment 
curve up. Now I
> get only around 1.64 dmax but I'm getting better shadow detail. 
I'm thinking
> the C84 lays down too much ink. I was toying with the idea of 
switching from
> "no color management" to "custom" and trying to reduce the 
saturation
> slider. Maybe that's totally misguided.
> Cheers,
> George
> > ----------
> > From: 	edrudolpho
> > Reply To: 	DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: 	Friday, February 27, 2004 8:59 AM
> > To: 	DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: 	[Digital BW] UT EZ B&W on C84
> > 
> > Hi all... I installed a set of EZ B&W warm with Eboni black in a 
C84
> > printer last night.  
> > On the first test print, the detail came out great but there was
> > horizontal banding.  I 
> > did a nozzle cleaning cycle and printed again.  On the second 
print, the
> > banding had 
> > disappeared but the low mid to shadow detail was crushed.
> > 
> > These are the settings I used:
> > 
> > Document: 1.8 gamma (Mac)
> > Print Space: Same as source
> > 
> > Printer Settings: Heavyweight Matte Paper, Best Photo, No 
Color Management
> > 
> > Any thoughts?
> > Ed
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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other resources as
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Paul wrote:

	"Try Color Controls instead of No Color Adjustment."

	Paul - Will the sliders come into play then? What effect do think
I'd achieve by reducing the saturation, for instance?

	Cheers,
	George

>  
> 
>

George,

	>Paul wrote:

	>"Try Color Controls instead of No Color Adjustment."

	>Paul - Will the sliders come into play then? What effect do think
>I'd achieve by reducing the saturation, for instance?

	Yes, the sliders should be useable.  That might give you enough
control to deal with problems.  Not having used a C84, I can't be of much
help here.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

> Paul wrote ...
> 	"Yes, the sliders should be useable.  That might give you enough
> control to deal with problems.  Not having used a C84, I can't be of much
> help here."
> 
> 
> ... Not having any variable ink experience, what would be your educated
> guess on the effect of the three sliders?
> What I means is, knowing nothing about how other sliders work or what ink
> is in the three carts, I wouldn't know where to start or even guess at
> which one might affect shadows, which one might effect highlights. That
> sort of thing.
> 
> ... I assume that reducing saturation would cause the printer to spray
> less ink globally across the whole tonal range, across the whole print.
> Right?
> 
> I respect your hesitancy because it isn't something you've explored, and
> by all means wouldn't be the least affected if your 'guesses' didn't work
> out. But, as a digital darkroom newbie, I'm just trying to soak up as much
> knowledge and have as much fun experimenting as possible. So, just looking
> for a place to start. (I know, I should bite the bullet and get a 1280,
> but, in the meantime ....)
> 
> cheers,
> George 
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