Digital BW, The Print

Hello all,
I have recently lost traditional darkroom access and am slowly making 
the switch to a digital darkroom.  My first step was getting a 
computer that can handle the load.  Now, I'm embarking on the 
daunting task of choosing the best scanner and printer within my 
budget.  I have been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks now 
to get a sense of the issues and am realizing (as many of you have 
pointed out), just how complicated digital printing is.  

I shoot both b&w negs and color slides and would like to be able to 
print at least 11x14.  I think I am ready to take the plunge in 
purchasing the Nikon Cooscan 50 and an Epson 2200, but wanted to get 
feedback from all of the user experts on this list.  Considering that 
I would like to print both b&w color, is this the best way to go?  
How easy is it to switch between b&w and color inks?  Are there any 
good, up-to-date guides to entering the realm of the digital darkroom?

Thanks
Ansje

I wouldn't consider myself an expert but am willing to express my
views. My view is that the current hardware is very good but overkill.
It's the skill of the user that makes the difference. The new Nikon
scanner seems very good from what I've seen and so is the Epson 2200.
But you will get better results from a cheaper scanner and printer,
spending the extra money on film and paper and just printing a lot.
Just as a Leica 7 or Nikon n100 or Canon (latest high dollar model)
and expensive lenses won't get you better photos than a 20 year old
camera and experience, the hardware you mention won't get you better
scans and prints. 

I've seen enough prints in various print exchanges to conclude that
the most previous generation of scanners and printers are really good
enough to the point of you not being able to tell the difference.
Experience and skill will make a difference, not hardware. Spend the
money on consumables and develop the experience and skill. 

Swapping from b&w to color is simple if you use prefilled carts, very
difficult if you use a CFS. 

Unfortunately there is no definitive textbook on digital printing that
I know of. It changes too fast and there are too many opinions. But
it's not complicated, you just need to spend some time at it. Think of
it being a direct corollary to wet darkroom printing. No enlarger, no
lens, no paper, no book will make you good. Only time and experience. 

Lastly, this list tends to discuss problems, the latest equipment, and
moving from the 98% to 99% perfection level. No one every says "I've
been making really great prints for the last year using old equipment
with no problems" as that's just not newsworthy. But I do believe it's
quite commonplace.  

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ansjem"
<ansjem@w...> wrote:

> Hello all,
> I have recently lost traditional darkroom access and am slowly making 
> the switch to a digital darkroom.  My first step was getting a 
> computer that can handle the load.  Now, I'm embarking on the 
> daunting task of choosing the best scanner and printer within my 
> budget.  I have been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks now 
> to get a sense of the issues and am realizing (as many of you have 
> pointed out), just how complicated digital printing is.  
> 
> I shoot both b&w negs and color slides and would like to be able to 
> print at least 11x14.  I think I am ready to take the plunge in 
> purchasing the Nikon Cooscan 50 and an Epson 2200, but wanted to get 
> feedback from all of the user experts on this list.  Considering that 
> I would like to print both b&w color, is this the best way to go?  
> How easy is it to switch between b&w and color inks?  Are there any 
> good, up-to-date guides to entering the realm of the digital darkroom?
> 
> Thanks
> Ansje

Hello Ansje,

>I am ready to take the plunge in purchasing the Nikon Cooscan 50 
>and an Epson 2200...Considering that I would like to print both 
>b&w color, is this the best way to go?   How easy is it to switch 
>between b&w and color inks?  

Switching between inks is a big hassle and is very inefficient due to
all the cleaning cycles that take place whenever inks are changed.  I
don't think I've ever seen someone in this forum say they were happy
doing that.  

To do color and BW on the same printer in a practical and efficient
way would require using either the Black Only (BO) technique or using
one of the RIP programs that mix the color and black inks.  Many
people who are serious about color and BW have two printers, but of
course it's expensive and takes more space.   

If you are interested in the BO technique there is information about
it on the web site listed below.  It's a great way to get started
immediately without requiring any extra expenditure for special
software, and the 2200 is a great printer for it.  It creates
beautiful BW prints and allows you to gain valuable experience while
deciding on a further course.  As for RIPs, I don't use one but the
most popular one for the 2200 seems to be ImagePrint (IP).


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

As an add on to Clayton's remark  "Many people who are serious about color and BW have two printers, but of course it's expensive and takes more space."  Many people who a very serious about both b&w and color use one printer and a RIP.  Cost of doing that may/may not be less, but the space is less by the size of whatever your second printer would be.  The world is full of trade-off's.
 
Tom Baker
   





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There is a second option. Put the second printer on a wireless network 
(heck put both of them on the network) and you can put it anyplace in 
your house. A wireless print server is very inexpensive as is a 802.11 
access point. This has sure solved my problem.

Truman

Tom Baker wrote:

> As an add on to Clayton's remark  "Many people who are serious about 
> color and BW have two printers, but of course it's expensive and takes 
> more space."  Many people who a very serious about both b&w and color 
> use one printer and a RIP.  Cost of doing that may/may not be less, 
> but the space is less by the size of whatever your second printer 
> would be.  The world is full of trade-off's.
>
> Tom Baker
>   
>

-- 

We imitate our masters only because we are not yet masters ourselves, 
and only

because in doing so we learn the truth about what cannot be imitated.

 



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Hello Tom,

>As an add on to Clayton's remark...Many people who a very serious 
>about both b&w and color use one printer and a RIP.  

Perhaps you missed it in my message, but I _did_ mention RIPs as a
solution, and specifically mentioned ImagePrint for the 2200.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ansjem" 
<ansjem@w...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I have recently lost traditional darkroom access and am slowly 
making 
> the switch to a digital darkroom.  My first step was getting a 
> computer that can handle the load.  Now, I'm embarking on the 
> daunting task of choosing the best scanner and printer within my 
> budget.  I have been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks now 
> to get a sense of the issues and am realizing (as many of you have 
> pointed out), just how complicated digital printing is.  
> 
> I shoot both b&w negs and color slides and would like to be able to 
> print at least 11x14.  I think I am ready to take the plunge in 
> purchasing the Nikon Cooscan 50 and an Epson 2200, but wanted to 
get 
> feedback from all of the user experts on this list.  Considering 
that 
> I would like to print both b&w color, is this the best way to go?  
> How easy is it to switch between b&w and color inks?  Are there any 
> good, up-to-date guides to entering the realm of the digital 
darkroom?
> 
> Thanks
> Ansje

Ansje,

Your sucess will depend on how skilled you are with scanning and 
using PhotoShop as much as printing. Color managment is more complex 
than BW and requires special tools. I would learn either BW or color 
first rather than switch between inks or as Clayton says do BO. Doing 
both quad BW and color you are better off with two printers. Use OEM 
ink carts and paper until you get good. If you have darkroom 
experience with fine prints you should catch on fairly quickly.  This 
list is the best "book."  My regular equipment today is a E1280 
printer, E3200 scanner for UT2 or BO. I seldom do color. I've been 
through a number of scanners, printers and ink sets to get where I 
am. Be glad you are starting out now!  

AZ

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--- On 3-16-04 In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Truman
Prevatt <tprevatt@m...> wrote:
> There is a second option. Put the second printer on a wireless
network 
> (heck put both of them on the network) and you can put it anyplace
in 
> your house. A wireless print server is very inexpensive as is a
802.11 
> access point. This has sure solved my problem.
> 

This is interesting to me.  Over the past weekend I posted an inquiry
about this in the EPSON_Printers yahoo forum (I'm going to have to put
a 2200 a room away from the desktop computer) and the consensus seemed
to be (a) too expensive, and (b) too slow.  (Also too complicated for
someone who does not have _any_ experience in setting up wireless
networks.)

Truman, if you (or anyone else) would be willing to expand on this
option I'd sure appreciate it.

Thanks very much.

You could run Ether net (wired network) at 100 megabits/sec. You can run 
a 802.11b wireless network at 11 megabits/sec or an 802.11 g wireless 
network at 54 megabits/sec. There is no printer alive that can out print 
an 11 megabit link. You need about 500 kilobits/sec to feed your printer.

The best way to go is if you have an ethernet card on you PC (most come 
with it these days). You can get a wireless access point (802.11b for 70 
bucks 802.11 g for 100 bucks). Actually those are the prices - or were - 
for a Linksys (Cisco Systems) high speed internet/4 port ethernet 
router/wireless access point.

You can get a 802.11 x print server for about 50 bucks. It hooks 
directly on the parallel port on the printer. If you have an ethernet 
card in you PC simply plug it into the access point - configure the 
network and you up and running. XP already has to print server driver 
built in and it will be on the disk for the other OS's.

Works like a charm.

Check out http://www.homepcnetwork.com/  and  http://www.linksys.com/  
for more.

Truman

rdbaron73102 wrote:

>
>
> This is interesting to me.  Over the past weekend I posted an inquiry
> about this in the EPSON_Printers yahoo forum (I'm going to have to put
> a 2200 a room away from the desktop computer) and the consensus seemed
> to be (a) too expensive, and (b) too slow.  (Also too complicated for
> someone who does not have _any_ experience in setting up wireless
> networks.)
>
> Truman, if you (or anyone else) would be willing to expand on this
> option I'd sure appreciate it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
>
>

-- 

We imitate our masters only because we are not yet masters ourselves, 
and only

because in doing so we learn the truth about what cannot be imitated.

 



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---On 3-16-04  Truman Prevatt <tprevatt@m...> wrote:

> The best way to go is if you have an ethernet card on your PC (most
come 
> with it these days). You can get a wireless access point (802.11b
for 70 
> bucks 802.11 g for 100 bucks). Actually those are the prices - or
were - 
> for a Linksys (Cisco Systems) high speed internet/4 port ethernet 
> router/wireless access point.
> 
> You can get a 802.11 x print server for about 50 bucks. It hooks 
> directly on the parallel port on the printer. If you have an
ethernet 
> card in you PC simply plug it into the access point - configure the 
> network and you up and running. XP already has to print server
driver 
> built in and it will be on the disk for the other OS's.
> 
> Works like a charm.
> 

Thanks, Truman, this is getting me pointed in the right direction.

I do have an ethernet card on my PC but it is taken up by the
connection to my Linksys 5 Port Switch; my internet connection comes
into the house and then to a cable modem and then to the switch, then
branching off to two PCs.

I can't even install a PCI card access point because all my slots are
full.

Can I plug a wireless access point into the Switch?

Will WinXP Pro automatically configure it?

Will I then make stunning prints with my new 2200 straight out of the
box?

<g>

Many thanks,

--Bob

You can plug your cable modem direclty in to a wireless router/access 
point. The access point can function as a DHCP server for your network 
(except for the print server) and route the internet connection either 
via ethernet or wireless to your computers. The DHCP will offer a little 
protection in hiding your PC's from hackers roaming the internet. It's 
best to use a fixed IP address for the print server ( normally in the 
192.168.1.x) range.

It's pretty simple and the H/W is cheap.

Truman

rdbaron73102 wrote:


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We imitate our masters only because we are not yet masters ourselves, 
and only

because in doing so we learn the truth about what cannot be imitated.

 



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If you've got all of your computers already hooked up to a wired network, why not just put your printer on one of your other computers, and set it up as 'shared'.  It would probably be faster than a wireless, and you're already almost done.  You'd just have to have the other computer (the one with the printer) on when you wanted to print.  I do that, and it work just fine.
 
Tom Baker

rdbaron73102 <rbaron@...> wrote:
---On 3-16-04  Truman Prevatt <tprevatt@m...> wrote:

> The best way to go is if you have an ethernet card on your PC (most
come 
> with it these days). You can get a wireless access point (802.11b
for 70 
> bucks 802.11 g for 100 bucks). Actually those are the prices - or
were - 
> for a Linksys (Cisco Systems) high speed internet/4 port ethernet 
> router/wireless access point.
> 
> You can get a 802.11 x print server for about 50 bucks. It hooks 
> directly on the parallel port on the printer. If you have an
ethernet 
> card in you PC simply plug it into the access point - configure the 
> network and you up and running. XP already has to print server
driver 
> built in and it will be on the disk for the other OS's.
> 
> Works like a charm.
> 

Thanks, Truman, this is getting me pointed in the right direction.

I do have an ethernet card on my PC but it is taken up by the
connection to my Linksys 5 Port Switch; my internet connection comes
into the house and then to a cable modem and then to the switch, then
branching off to two PCs.

I can't even install a PCI card access point because all my slots are
full.

Can I plug a wireless access point into the Switch?

Will WinXP Pro automatically configure it?

Will I then make stunning prints with my new 2200 straight out of the
box?

<g>

Many thanks,

--Bob



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Tom,

Normally a dedicated print server be it ethernet or wireless is much 
faster than going through another computer. Not only that the other 
computer has to be up and both boxes are involved in the print buffer. A 
dedicated print server is a much cleaner way to go. The 802.11 g runs at 
a little over 50% of the Cat 5 ethernet speed and the 802.11 b runs 
faster than the Cat 3 ethernet and both run about 4 times faster than a 
printer can accept.

My printesr are on the second floor of my house. My wife has the laptop 
in the basement working on a project and has full use of all the 
printers and network disk When I take the laptop out on the back porch 
on nice spring mornings to work I have full use of all the printers and 
network disk. The printer works just as well is if I were sitting next 
to it hooked up by a parallel, usb or firewire cable. The beauty of it - 
there are not cables cluttering up the house.

Truman

Tom Baker wrote:

>If you've got all of your computers already hooked up to a wired network, why not just put your printer on one of your other computers, and set it up as 'shared'.  It would probably be faster than a wireless, and you're already almost done.  You'd just have to have the other computer (the one with the printer) on when you wanted to print.  I do that, and it work just fine.
> 
>Tom Baker
>
>  
>
>  
>

-- 

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and only

because in doing so we learn the truth about what cannot be imitated.

 



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Hi

We run just that. We have two wireless routers and a switch and a wireless
print server working well with Windows XP. No, it does not automatically
get configured, but usually any good tech support people will walk you
through it. We do not, however, use the wireless print server for our
Epson 5500 as it would not support this connection (Epson's problem, not
Linksys'). I don't know if your printer would be supported by this either.
It's worth checking. Epson won't tell you and you might have to find out
by trial and error. Make sure you can return the wireless server if you
are getting one, in case it isn't supported. We have our Epson 7600's on
ethernet cards on the network and can print from our wireless computer.I
have not tried to send any large amounts of date across yet, but can't
imagine there would be any problems.

As to whether you will make stunning prints with your 2200 right out of
the box, so much depends on so many factors. Depends on your idea of
stunning, your experience, your ability to prepare the files.... what
system you're using for printing... all sorts of stuff...

Hope this helps,

Ellie

rdbaron73102 said:
>>
>
> Thanks, Truman, this is getting me pointed in the right direction.
>
> I do have an ethernet card on my PC but it is taken up by the
> connection to my Linksys 5 Port Switch; my internet connection comes
> into the house and then to a cable modem and then to the switch, then
> branching off to two PCs.
>
> I can't even install a PCI card access point because all my slots are
> full.
>
> Can I plug a wireless access point into the Switch?
>
> Will WinXP Pro automatically configure it?
>
> Will I then make stunning prints with my new 2200 straight out of the
> box?

-- 
Ellie Kennard
Innovative Imaging Studio
http://www.iiStudio.com
Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin
Eismann

i just came across this topic and missed all of the earlier responses.
sorry if redundant.

if you don't want to run wireless, you can just add another ethernet switch
if you're out of ports.  inexpensive and it will auto configure.  they just
daisy chain.

kenb

> -----Original Message-----

> 
> rdbaron73102 said:
> >>
> >
> > Thanks, Truman, this is getting me pointed in the right direction.
> >
> > I do have an ethernet card on my PC but it is taken up by the 
> > connection to my Linksys 5 Port Switch; my internet 
> connection comes 
> > into the house and then to a cable modem and then to the 
> switch, then 
> > branching off to two PCs.
> >
> > I can't even install a PCI card access point because all my 
> slots are 
> > full.
> >
> > Can I plug a wireless access point into the Switch?
> >
> > Will WinXP Pro automatically configure it?
> >
> > Will I then make stunning prints with my new 2200 straight 
> out of the 
> > box?
>

Ellie Kennard wrote:

> Hi
>
> We run just that. We have two wireless routers and a switch and a wireless
> print server working well with Windows XP. No, it does not automatically
> get configured, but usually any good tech support people will walk you
> through it. We do not, however, use the wireless print server for our
> Epson 5500 as it would not support this connection (Epson's problem, not
> Linksys'). I don't know if your printer would be supported by this either.
> It's worth checking. Epson won't tell you and you might have to find out
> by trial and error. Make sure you can return the wireless server if you
> are getting one, in case it isn't supported. We have our Epson 7600's on
> ethernet cards on the network and can print from our wireless computer.I
> have not tried to send any large amounts of date across yet, but can't
> imagine there would be any problems.

Sounds like a problem in the print spooler. I had a problem with an HP 
some time back printing out a large report with a lot of graphics and it 
just "forgot" the back part. It turned out I had to turn off the spooler 
and print directly which of course tied the PC up. Normally the print is 
spooled up and fed to the printer. There actually should be any 
difference between going to a wireless server than an ethernet server 
especially if they use the parallel port. I have had some problems with 
printers using the USB ports - have no idea why but I just don't use the 
USB on printers now.

But hooking the printer via enternet on a wireless access point would 
work fine.

Truman

>
> As to whether you will make stunning prints with your 2200 right out of
> the box, so much depends on so many factors. Depends on your idea of
> stunning, your experience, your ability to prepare the files.... what
> system you're using for printing... all sorts of stuff...
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ellie
>
> rdbaron73102 said:
> >>
> >
> > Thanks, Truman, this is getting me pointed in the right direction.
> >
> > I do have an ethernet card on my PC but it is taken up by the
> > connection to my Linksys 5 Port Switch; my internet connection comes
> > into the house and then to a cable modem and then to the switch, then
> > branching off to two PCs.
> >
> > I can't even install a PCI card access point because all my slots are
> > full.
> >
> > Can I plug a wireless access point into the Switch?
> >
> > Will WinXP Pro automatically configure it?
> >
> > Will I then make stunning prints with my new 2200 straight out of the
> > box?
>
> -- 
> Ellie Kennard
> Innovative Imaging Studio
> http://www.iiStudio.com
> Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin
> Eismann
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Must have confused you with all these printers and servers etc.:

The Epson 5500 does not support the Linksys wireless print server. 
Won't print to it. Period. If I chose to, I could buy one of Epson's. 
As I am about to sell the 5500, I won't be doing that! We have always 
used that as a shared printer connected to one of the computers.

The wireless print server works fine with our HP printer. This is not 
for images, just a laser printer for documents etc.

The print server cards in our 7600's work a treat on our network, 
including using our wireless routers and switch with our wireless 
laptop.

All the best

Ellie

On 17 Mar 2004 at 9:03, Truman Prevatt wrote (snipped for brevity) about:
Re: [Digital BW] Wireless Printer C
 
> Sounds like a problem in the print spooler. I had a problem with an HP
> some time back printing out a large report with a lot of graphics and
> it just "forgot" the back part. It turned out I had to turn off the
> spooler and print directly which of course tied the PC up. Normally
> the print is spooled up and fed to the printer. There actually should
> be any difference between going to a wireless server than an ethernet
> server especially if they use the parallel port. I have had some
> problems with printers using the USB ports - have no idea why but I
> just don't use the USB on printers now.
> 
> But hooking the printer via enternet on a wireless access point would
> work fine.
> 
> Truman

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Katrin 
Eismann

Well now I'm really confused.  I though a dedicated print server was another
computer.  Would you be so kind as to explain the set-up?  What exactly is
the device called print server?  Thanks.

Barbara Woolner

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Truman Prevatt" <tprevatt@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Wireless Printer Connection


Tom,

Normally a dedicated print server be it ethernet or wireless is much
faster than going through another computer.

It is a devise that allows the direct connection of the printer to the 
network instead of through a separate computer.  Then each computer will 
configure their print driver to use it as a local printer although it is 
on the network. The print server takes does the care and feeding of the 
printer.  Basically you print to an IP address instead of a fixed output 
port on the computer using the driver of your printer hardware.

These devices normally are also ethernet hubs but you can get stand 
alone print servers. They come in either wire or wierless configurations 
and they support parallel and USB port printers. They will turn any 
printer into a shared network printer.

Below are some examples
http://www.compusa.com/products/products.asp?N=0&Ntt=print%20server&Ntk=All&Nty=1&D=print%20server

Truman

bfwoolner wrote:

> Well now I'm really confused.  I though a dedicated print server was 
> another
> computer.  Would you be so kind as to explain the set-up?  What exactly is
> the device called print server?  Thanks.
>

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Thanks, Truman.
Barbara

Thanks so much for this clarification.  Do you know of networks that 
are more geared to us new guys.  I too am recently out of the wet 
darkroom trying to figure out this new digital one.  Websites, 
message boards, articles -- any thing helpful.  Thanks.  Jan




 
> Lastly, this list tends to discuss problems, the latest equipment, 
and
> moving from the 98% to 99% perfection level. No one every 
says "I've
> been making really great prints for the last year using old 
equipment
> with no problems" as that's just not newsworthy. But I do believe 
it's

> quite commonplace.  
> 
> Bob Michaels

Well, here's a report in continuation of this thread from last week:

Today I unpacked my new Epson 2200 and Linksys Wireless-G USB Network
Adapter (Model No. WUSB54G) and Linksys Wireless-G Print Server for
USB 2.0 (Model No. WPS54GU2).

After over three hours on the phone with Linksys tech support the
devices more or less communicate and I've managed to make one complete
5x7 print out of 4 tries (the connection keeps dropping out during the
printing process, sometimes with a crash of PS CS as well).

I have my doubts about the wisdom/feasability of this solution.

--Bob

Are you running XP? I had a hell of a time using the USB wireless out of 
my XP box just for file transfer. It took three days with Linksys 
support and the network connection to work at all. I worked find with my 
machine running 2000 but not XP.

I hooked the XP box up to an access point via an either net connecton 
and the wireless print server and it works fine on the 1280.

The issues seem to  be with some of the defaults on XP and XP unlike 
2000, ME or 98SE hide most of the network settings so they are hard to 
get to and tweak. Some of the issues I think lie in the XP firewall - 
new with XP that gets in the way of some network traffic and slows 
others down. Try turning off the firewall and see if that helps.

I'm not at all happy with the way XP supports network coms. It is one 
giant step backwards from 2000.

Truman

rdbaron73102 wrote:

> Well, here's a report in continuation of this thread from last week:
>
> Today I unpacked my new Epson 2200 and Linksys Wireless-G USB Network
> Adapter (Model No. WUSB54G) and Linksys Wireless-G Print Server for
> USB 2.0 (Model No. WPS54GU2).
>
> After over three hours on the phone with Linksys tech support the
> devices more or less communicate and I've managed to make one complete
> 5x7 print out of 4 tries (the connection keeps dropping out during the
> printing process, sometimes with a crash of PS CS as well).
>
> I have my doubts about the wisdom/feasability of this solution.
>
> --Bob
>
>
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Truman Prevatt <tprevatt@m...> wrote:
> Are you running XP? 

Yes I am.

And after nosing around in the Linksys knowledge base I think you are
right, that is a big problem.

I'm all tech supported out tonight....I wasted most of a Sunday with
this mess....but I'll not quite yet give up on it.

--Bob

Are you talking about XP Home or XP Pro?
 
Tom Baker


Truman Prevatt <tprevatt@...> wrote:
Are you running XP? I had a hell of a time using the USB wireless out of 
my XP box just for file transfer. It took three days with Linksys 
support and the network connection to work at all. I worked find with my 
machine running 2000 but not XP.

I hooked the XP box up to an access point via an either net connecton 
and the wireless print server and it works fine on the 1280.

The issues seem to  be with some of the defaults on XP and XP unlike 
2000, ME or 98SE hide most of the network settings so they are hard to 
get to and tweak. Some of the issues I think lie in the XP firewall - 
new with XP that gets in the way of some network traffic and slows 
others down. Try turning off the firewall and see if that helps.

I'm not at all happy with the way XP supports network coms. It is one 
giant step backwards from 2000.

Truman

rdbaron73102 wrote:

> Well, here's a report in continuation of this thread from last week:
>
> Today I unpacked my new Epson 2200 and Linksys Wireless-G USB Network
> Adapter (Model No. WUSB54G) and Linksys Wireless-G Print Server for
> USB 2.0 (Model No. WPS54GU2).
>
> After over three hours on the phone with Linksys tech support the
> devices more or less communicate and I've managed to make one complete
> 5x7 print out of 4 tries (the connection keeps dropping out during the
> printing process, sometimes with a crash of PS CS as well).
>
> I have my doubts about the wisdom/feasability of this solution.
>
> --Bob
>
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker
<tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
> Are you talking about XP Home or XP Pro?

XP Pro.

--Bob

I have XP home. That was my first question so I called the guy, name is 
Mike, that does the network management at a company where I lease office 
space. He is very good and is also Microsoft certified. He told me that 
they will stay on 2000 until the next major release - thus skipping XP 
altogether. He told me the things the changes they made in XP that has 
caused the problems.

They may even skip the next release if it doesn't fix some of the issues 
in XP. They have three major networks he supports. One is a drop for a 
nation wide secure network for data and voice that passes both data and 
Voice over IP. That's is supported by Linux (Intel) boxes and Solaris 
boxes (Sun) and Dec Unix boxes (HP - formally Compac - formally Dec 
Alphas).  The second is the corporate network which and the local 
netowrk. While they have as many boxes and if you consider IP phones 
twice as many boxes on the Unix network as on the network supported by 
the windows boxes - he spends 90% of his time keeping the windows boxes 
up and functioning properly.

I was pulling my hair out getting the XP box to see my other boxes. At 
first following the Windows XP procedure in the wizard I the other boxes 
could see the XP box, get files from the XP disc and put data on the XP 
disc but the XP box could not see the others. Mike and Linksys help me 
figure that out. However, now while at least it can see them it has to 
remap the network every time you try to access the other boxes which 
takes a long time. This is the issue either over a wired network or a 
wireless network. If all the machines are up and running you can force 
XP to map a network drive locally but it doesn't remember it and you 
have to do it by hand each time. Windows 2000 remembers it as does 
cheapo ME.  I must admit it does work marginally better with the XP box 
hooked to an access point via ethernet and let the access point work as 
a DCHP server - but the mapping of networks drives on the XP is still 
very slow and is required every time.

Since the wireless printer is installed as a fixed IP address on the 
network and the print server SW prints to that IP address, XP doesn't 
have the same probelm with the printer since by definition the mapping 
is hardwired.

If I knew I wouldn't have a big driver issue I'd drop back to 2000 in a 
heart beat on the XP box.

Truman


Tom Baker wrote:

>Are you talking about XP Home or XP Pro?
> 
>Tom Baker
>
>
>Truman Prevatt <tprevatt@...> wrote:
>Are you running XP? I had a hell of a time using the USB wireless out of 
>my XP box just for file transfer. It took three days with Linksys 
>support and the network connection to work at all. I worked find with my 
>machine running 2000 but not XP.
>
>I hooked the XP box up to an access point via an either net connecton 
>and the wireless print server and it works fine on the 1280.
>
>The issues seem to  be with some of the defaults on XP and XP unlike 
>2000, ME or 98SE hide most of the network settings so they are hard to 
>get to and tweak. Some of the issues I think lie in the XP firewall - 
>new with XP that gets in the way of some network traffic and slows 
>others down. Try turning off the firewall and see if that helps.
>
>I'm not at all happy with the way XP supports network coms. It is one 
>giant step backwards from 2000.
>
>Truman
>
>rdbaron73102 wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Well, here's a report in continuation of this thread from last week:
>>
>>Today I unpacked my new Epson 2200 and Linksys Wireless-G USB Network
>>Adapter (Model No. WUSB54G) and Linksys Wireless-G Print Server for
>>USB 2.0 (Model No. WPS54GU2).
>>
>>After over three hours on the phone with Linksys tech support the
>>devices more or less communicate and I've managed to make one complete
>>5x7 print out of 4 tries (the connection keeps dropping out during the
>>printing process, sometimes with a crash of PS CS as well).
>>
>>I have my doubts about the wisdom/feasability of this solution.
>>
>>--Bob
>>
>>
>>
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>>resources as they are often being updated.
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Truman Prevatt
<tprevatt@m...> wrote:
 
> Since the wireless printer is installed as a fixed IP address on the 
> network and the print server SW prints to that IP address, XP doesn't 
> have the same probelm with the printer since by definition the mapping 
> is hardwired.
> 

Which is what makes me think I've got an intermittent transmission
problem; the network shows available and good right away but then
drops out in the middle of some but not all printing.

Now whether the intermittent problem is caused by something in xp or
something else is the next question to be tackled.

--Bob

When I tired to use peer to peer a.k.a. ad hoc on the XP box, it just 
didn't work well. It worked better in the infrastructure mode which 
requires an access point. On the other boxes the Linksys S/W installed a 
set of tools - one which was a display that showed the link status, 
network status and the transfer rates. I don't remember seeing this on 
the XP box, but it has been awhile. However, if you bring up the windows 
task manager display on XP you can watch the transfer rate and see if it 
is dropping out. The access also puts out a stronger signal and has more 
antenna gain than the USB device you have.

How far are the computer and printer separated? Even if they are close, 
you can get dead spots in a wireless network based on a lot of things 
but as the signal bounces off walls, ceillings, etc., it can cause 
destructive interference or dead spots in given small areas. For example 
I can take my laptop with a linksys PCM card in it - go down to the 
stable - about 200 feet from my access point and get very good signal 
and network. However if I go out on my back porch 50 feet away kick back 
in an easy chair and try to work on the beautiful spring mornings - I am 
in a dead spot. I can go off the porch and it is fine.

I found that so aggrivating when we finally got DSL here I bought a 
wireless DSL router/access point to share the DSL link. I took my old 
access point, renamed it's SSID and hooked it to the router via ethernet 
and when I'm on the porch I just change the SSID on my PCM card and bing 
I can work outside in the morning while I sip my coffee :-).

There are a lot of options but moving the printer a couple feet may make 
a difference if t's link deadspot.

Truman

Bob Baron wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Truman Prevatt
> <tprevatt@m...> wrote:
>
> > Since the wireless printer is installed as a fixed IP address on the
> > network and the print server SW prints to that IP address, XP doesn't
> > have the same probelm with the printer since by definition the mapping
> > is hardwired.
> >
>
> Which is what makes me think I've got an intermittent transmission
> problem; the network shows available and good right away but then
> drops out in the middle of some but not all printing.
>
> Now whether the intermittent problem is caused by something in xp or
> something else is the next question to be tackled.
>
> --Bob
>
>

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Bob,

I'm not sure, but, that could be a prolem with WEP.  I had a similar 
problem, started off well and then as time went by the connection 
deteriorated and failed.  I disabled WEP and the problem went away.  
Just a thought.  Good Luck.

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Baron" 
<rbaron@c...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Truman Prevatt
> <tprevatt@m...> wrote:
>  
> > Since the wireless printer is installed as a fixed IP address on 
the 
> > network and the print server SW prints to that IP address, XP 
doesn't 
> > have the same probelm with the printer since by definition the 
mapping 
> > is hardwired.
> > 
> 
> Which is what makes me think I've got an intermittent transmission
> problem; the network shows available and good right away but then
> drops out in the middle of some but not all printing.
> 
> Now whether the intermittent problem is caused by something in xp 
or

> something else is the next question to be tackled.
> 
> --Bob

>>How far are the computer and printer separated?

About 20 feet or less.....the printer is just in the next room (the
_only_ place to put it) and without wireless I'd have to snake a usb
cable to it that would be somehat longer than the sixteen feet that is
supposedly the usb max.

I don't believe a deadspot is the issue because I get a strong signal
at first; it just drops out as the print job progresses.

(Also, I'm not getting the ink level readings back from the printer
with this setup, but that is an issue for later I believe.)

>>could be a prolem with WEP. I had a similar
problem, started off well and then as time went by the connection
deteriorated and failed. I disabled WEP and the problem went away.<<

Excuse my ignorance....what is WEP and where do I disable it?

I'll sure give it a try.

Are you, by any chance, using Zone Alarm?

We were using it, and Linksys eventually (top echelon of their 
support team) told me that this is the problem. I got rid of ZA (the 
router provides a fire wall) and wireless printing works fine.

Hope this helps,

Ellie

On 22 Mar 2004 at 17:19, bwinkjet wrote (snipped for brevity) about:
Re: [Digital BW] Wireless Printer C

> Bob,
> 
> I'm not sure, but, that could be a prolem with WEP.  I had a similar
> problem, started off well and then as time went by the connection
> deteriorated and failed.  I disabled WEP and the problem went away. 
> Just a thought.  Good Luck.
-- 
Ellie Kennard
Innovative Imaging Studio
http://www.iiStudio.com
Contributor to Photoshop Restoration and Retouching, 2nd edition by Katrin 
Eismann

Bob,

WEP is the wireless encryption protocol.  It is found in properties 
of the devices using 802.1 wireless.  It can be disabled by 
unchecking the box.  What I think was happening with my setup is 
that as the encrypted data was transmitted the target device, the 
target could not keep up with decryption and eventually the 
connection failed.  Then, reboot or reconnect and all OK for a while 
and then failure.  This may not apply to your situation, but your 
situation did have some features in common.  Good luck.

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Baron" 
<rbaron@c...> wrote:
> >>could be a prolem with WEP. I had a similar
> problem, started off well and then as time went by the connection
> deteriorated and failed. I disabled WEP and the problem went 
away.<<

> 
> Excuse my ignorance....what is WEP and where do I disable it?
> 
> I'll sure give it a try.

Try running Ethereal, you can use it analyse all of the network traffic on
any adapter, it can be a real godsend for troubleshooting network problems.
I'ts a port from the *nix's and some of the windows behave a little
strangely, but it does the job

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Baron" <rbaron@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Wireless Printer Connection


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Truman Prevatt
> <tprevatt@m...> wrote:
>
> > Since the wireless printer is installed as a fixed IP address on the
> > network and the print server SW prints to that IP address, XP doesn't
> > have the same probelm with the printer since by definition the mapping
> > is hardwired.
> >
>
> Which is what makes me think I've got an intermittent transmission
> problem; the network shows available and good right away but then
> drops out in the middle of some but not all printing.
>
> Now whether the intermittent problem is caused by something in xp or
> something else is the next question to be tackled.
>
> --Bob
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I replied to this earlier but it never got posted:

Are you using Zone Alarm? I was using it, had similar problems with 
our Linksys wireless print server, and the highest tech support 
people at Linksys said to get rid of ZA. The wireless router has a 
firewall anyway. I got rid of Zone Alarm (has to be completely 
uninstalled, not just closed) and the problem was fixed. We use a 
wireless router (2 actually) and switch and a wireless print server. 
All on XP pro. No problems for connectivity or anything else.

They said that a wireless system will work sometimes for as long as 
two years with ZA, but eventually it will cause a problem. I had ZA 
Pro.

Hope this helps. 

Regards,

Ellie

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Baron" 
<rbaron@c...> wrote:
 
> Which is what makes me think I've got an intermittent transmission
> problem; the network shows available and good right away but then
> drops out in the middle of some but not all printing.
> 
> Now whether the intermittent problem is caused by something in xp 
or

> something else is the next question to be tackled.
> 
> --Bob

I had to trun off the Microsoft firewall to get the XP box to work at 
all but Linksys told me that. I use Norton Personal Firewall and all you 
need to do is tell it the IP addresses you are not concerned with and it 
works just fine.

BTW how do you get XP to map the network drives when it comes up or when 
it first fines them so it doesn't have to keep remapping them. I know 
that is an OT question but what the heck.

Truman

colorspanmam wrote:

> I replied to this earlier but it never got posted:
>
> Are you using Zone Alarm? I was using it, had similar problems with
> our Linksys wireless print server, and the highest tech support
> people at Linksys said to get rid of ZA. The wireless router has a
> firewall anyway. I got rid of Zone Alarm (has to be completely
> uninstalled, not just closed) and the problem was fixed. We use a
> wireless router (2 actually) and switch and a wireless print server.
> All on XP pro. No problems for connectivity or anything else.
>
> They said that a wireless system will work sometimes for as long as
> two years with ZA, but eventually it will cause a problem. I had ZA
> Pro.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ellie
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Baron"
> <rbaron@c...> wrote:
>
> > Which is what makes me think I've got an intermittent transmission
> > problem; the network shows available and good right away but then
> > drops out in the middle of some but not all printing.
> >
> > Now whether the intermittent problem is caused by something in xp
> or
> > something else is the next question to be tackled.
> >
> > --Bob
>
>

-- 

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and only

because in doing so we learn the truth about what cannot be imitated.

 



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I have never had any problem with any of it. I have never actually mapped !

I just put each of the computers on the network using the same network
name for each, give the appropriate permissions for folders etc. and they
were able to communicate. I communicate with three XP machines and one
Windows 98 as well as a Print Server (I think that's Win 2000) and one
printer on the network as well as a the wireless print server.

When I put something new on, it sometimes takes a bit of time for the
network to find it, but I ping the ip address of the computer and it finds
it okay.

It was a while ago all this was set up, but I know I didn't map a network
drive. I never used the Microsoft firewall.

Sorry if that is not much help.

Ellie

Truman Prevatt said:
> I had to trun off the Microsoft firewall to get the XP box to work at
> all but Linksys told me that. I use Norton Personal Firewall and all you
> need to do is tell it the IP addresses you are not concerned with and it
> works just fine.
>
> BTW how do you get XP to map the network drives when it comes up or when
> it first fines them so it doesn't have to keep remapping them. I know
> that is an OT question but what the heck.
>
> Truman

-- 
Ellie Kennard
Innovative Imaging Studio
http://www.iiStudio.com
Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin
Eismann

Weird. This just appeared. Sorry for the double posting.

Ellie

Ellie Kennard said:
> Are you, by any chance, using Zone Alarm?
>
> We were using it, and Linksys eventually (top echelon of their
> support team) told me that this is the problem. I got rid of ZA (the
> router provides a fire wall) and wireless printing works fine.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ellie
-- 
Ellie Kennard
Innovative Imaging Studio
http://www.iiStudio.com
Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin
Eismann

My 2000 box and ME box mount the network drives when they boot off or 
the first time they have to go out and find them. From that point on 
they will open the network drives as quickly as they will open the local 
drives. XP on the other hand has to go out and find them each time which 
takes an inordiant amount of time - actually probably 15 seconds but I'm 
not  a very patient person when it comes to how operating systems should 
work in 2004.

You should hear my wife "bitch about it" since she is retired from 
teaching computer science (OS and complier design) at the college level 
and wrote some of first compilers for CDC Cyber Series - my I am dating 
myself.

I've not been able to make XP do the same thing as the "older OS's" do. 
Drives me crazy - makes me thing Bill Gates and Michael Jackson are in 
some strange conspiracy to make normal people thing they are not normal 
so they can take over the world!

Thanks for your response.

Truman

Ellie Kennard wrote:

> I have never had any problem with any of it. I have never actually 
> mapped !
>
> I just put each of the computers on the network using the same network
> name for each, give the appropriate permissions for folders etc. and they
> were able to communicate. I communicate with three XP machines and one
> Windows 98 as well as a Print Server (I think that's Win 2000) and one
> printer on the network as well as a the wireless print server.
>
> When I put something new on, it sometimes takes a bit of time for the
> network to find it, but I ping the ip address of the computer and it finds
> it okay.
>
> It was a while ago all this was set up, but I know I didn't map a network
> drive. I never used the Microsoft firewall.
>
> Sorry if that is not much help.
>
> Ellie


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We imitate our masters only because we are not yet masters ourselves, 
and only

because in doing so we learn the truth about what cannot be imitated.

 



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Update: I give up.

After hours on the phone with Linksys tech support, exchanges of
emails with them and trying the many kind suggestions offered by
members of this group, enough is enough.

The Linksys gear goes back to Best Buy tomorrow (one advantage of
buying locally: a very liberal return policy).

I obtained two 16' usb 2.0 cables; each has a hub built into one end
to act as a 'repeater' or 'booster'; I strung them (and another
shorter cable) from my computer into the next room and it works just fine.

Now I can learn how to best use my new 2200 rather than fighting to
make it work at all. 

The cable run isn't pretty, but it works.

--Bob

Can't blame you but you just failed the "geekoid in training" test. 
LOL.......Clearly you don't have my wife or you would have solved the 
wireless problem because those ugly wires have to go.

I have a PDA that works fine on 8011.b but sometimes it doesn't and I 
have to do a soft reset on the PDA. All this software doens't work well 
together yet - maybe a plot of Micorsoft. But the EU is hell bent on 
fixing that - good on them.

Glad you can now concentrate on making photographs and stop worring 
about networks.

Cheers
Truman

Bob Baron wrote:

> Update: I give up.
>
> After hours on the phone with Linksys tech support, exchanges of
> emails with them and trying the many kind suggestions offered by
> members of this group, enough is enough.
>
> The Linksys gear goes back to Best Buy tomorrow (one advantage of
> buying locally: a very liberal return policy).
>
> I obtained two 16' usb 2.0 cables; each has a hub built into one end
> to act as a 'repeater' or 'booster'; I strung them (and another
> shorter cable) from my computer into the next room and it works just fine.
>
> Now I can learn how to best use my new 2200 rather than fighting to
> make it work at all.
>
> The cable run isn't pretty, but it works.
>
> --Bob
>

-- 

We imitate our masters only because we are not yet masters ourselves, 
and only

because in doing so we learn the truth about what cannot be imitated.

 



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