Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: flyfishingusa2002 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:58 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Not Ansel


  I agree, the work on the site to me is not much more than snapshots 
  from a third world country. Most here in the USA simply have never 
  seen these kind of conditions for themselves and consider it "ART" 
  when seen in this form. All who think that it is art should buy a 
  ticket and visit there. Try India, or Angolia or the slums of South 
  America. It makes you appreciate living as we do, it's still not Art 
  though.

  Sierra Gold--- In 
  DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "raven4ns" 
  <cryptic@a...> wrote:
  >  I have never been able to appreciate the type of work exhibited at 
  > the site suggested. It must be an acquired taste or one that I 
  > simply do not have an educated palate for. Even in my taste of 
  > paintings, it runs towards the works of Ruebens,Renoir and 
  > Gainsborough. It seems that I must be lacking or deficient in some 
  > way as not to appreciate this kind of photography but I am not 
  moved 
  > in the slightest by such work. Thank goodness there are others who 
  > are moved by this kind of imagery. 
  > 
  > 
  > Tim



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  From: Clayton Jones 

  ....and I merely wanted to bring it
  to others' attention here so they could enjoy it.  There was no
  intention to start a discussion.....


  Sorry Clayton, you can't have it both ways; by bringing something to others' attention invites discussion.  Please don't feel that since some disagreed with your appreciation, the discussion is a debate.  Folks just discussing......

  John


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: flyfishingusa2002 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:45 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Not Ansel


  Clayton,
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you not start this thread? It does 
  not have a lot to do with the forum and is definately off topic.
  You and others consider it "Art" while I and maybe some others who 
  are to nervous to post here because ot the "Flame", do not.
  Well exposed, sharp and details in the shadows, yes, art, no. It is 
  Photo Journalism. Do you consider the pics of our brave men shown on 
  the front cover of the New York Times every day art? I think that 
  this type of pic is disgusting and shows no thought for the relatives 
  of the persons concerned. 
  The site you refer to just shows the poor lives of others, it's 
  journalism and not art. To even mention and compare this to Ansel is 
  just bad form.


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
  <cj@c...> wrote:
  > Hello Sierra,
  > 
  > >...the work on the site to me is not much more than snapshots...
  > >...All who think that it is art should...
  > 
  > First, I never said anything about whether it is "art" or not.  I 
  said
  > it was excellent photography.  What "Art" is is a whole 'nother
  > subject which will probably be debated forever.  By "putting words 
  in
  > my mouth" your remark is taking this thread somewhere it was not 
  meant
  > to go.
  > 
  > Second, if these works are snapshots, then the works of H.C Bresson,
  > Elliot Erwitt and Sebastiao Salgado are also snapshots.  If you 
  think
  > that, then I guess our definitions of "snapshot" are different.  
  > 
  > The man's work is exceptional and I merely wanted to bring it
  > to others' attention here so they could enjoy it.  There was no
  > intention to start a discussion and I'm really disappointed that 
  this
  > has turned onto yet another on-line debate.  Please, _at least_ 
  limit
  > remarks to what was actually said.
  > 
  > We all here love photography, and the occasional OT but related
  > subject enriches the forum experience.  But if every thread turns 
  into
  > a dragged out sniping war that detracts from the forum's main 
  purpose
  > then members will be afraid to talk about anything but clogs and
  > curves.  Please exercise some judgement on these kinds of threads.
  > 
  > Regards,
  > Clayton
  > 
  > 
  > Info on black and white digital printing at    
  > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm



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