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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling

2004-05-11 by sdmey4@aol.com

In a message dated 5/10/2004 10:51:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
gebilwil@... writes:

> My blacks with the 4000 using UC as shipped and all inks, not black only, 
> are 
> stunning.  Better than my silver prints, which use a VERY slighty warm paper 
> (it doesn't 
> look warm until you put something cold beside it).
> 
> So why mess with another ink?  
> >
Are you using a matte paper or art type paper for these stunning blacks?
Steve M.


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[Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling

2004-05-11 by Scott Graham

At the moment I am using Epson Enhanced Matte for compositional proofs since it is 
cheap.  But I am really still at the "post install" stage.  Yesterday after flawless setup and 
run, I found a driver glitch that distracted me for quite a while.

For 'real prints' I expect to use Ultrasmooth or something like that. 

Scott
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> > So why mess with another ink?  
> > >
> Are you using a matte paper or art type paper for these stunning blacks?
> Steve M.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling

2004-05-12 by brinkker2000

Hi Scott,

>>> So why mess with another ink?   

For BO printing everything I've read says Ultrachrome matte black is 
quite warm in tone.  I take it you don't mind this warmness? 

Also, for 7 ink B&W prints, profiles make a big difference by 
eliminating the blue and magneta color casts -- I saw before and 
after 4000 prints. My local shoop qouted Gretag print profiles 5 for 
$200. Not outrageous in my opinon. 
These are 2 easy methods in my opinion to get really good B&W... 

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" 
<gebilwil@n...> wrote:
> At the moment I am using Epson Enhanced Matte for compositional 
proofs since it is 
> cheap.  But I am really still at the "post install" stage.  
Yesterday after flawless setup and 
> run, I found a driver glitch that distracted me for quite a while.
> 
> For 'real prints' I expect to use Ultrasmooth or something like 
that. 
> 
> Scott
> 
>  
> > > So why mess with another ink?  
> > > >
> > Are you using a matte paper or art type paper for these stunning 
blacks?
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> > Steve M.
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling

2004-05-12 by Scott Graham

It is warm, and I don't like it.  That is why I don't use BO.  And I have suffered enough 
clogs with "foreign" inks.  Besides I won't switch unless forced to.  Too much hassle.  Been 
there.

You might not need custom profiles with the 4000 though.  Bug me in a couple of days 
and I might know.

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "brinkker2000" 
<stevebrink@m...> wrote:
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> Hi Scott,
> 
> >>> So why mess with another ink?   
> 
> For BO printing everything I've read says Ultrachrome matte black is 
> quite warm in tone.  I take it you don't mind this warmness? 
> 
> Also, for 7 ink B&W prints, profiles make a big difference by 
> eliminating the blue and magneta color casts -- I saw before and 
> after 4000 prints. My local shoop qouted Gretag print profiles 5 for 
> $200. Not outrageous in my opinon. 
> These are 2 easy methods in my opinion to get really good B&W... 
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" 
> <gebilwil@n...> wrote:
> > At the moment I am using Epson Enhanced Matte for compositional 
> proofs since it is 
> > cheap.  But I am really still at the "post install" stage.  
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling

2004-05-12 by mehrdad

Hi you all I have three questions?

	1) what is BO?
	2) I am thinking about using the UT7 inkset with 2200, how do I
profile my papers? Now I use colorvision products for color but how about
B&W prints?

	3) any experience with MIS CFS for the 2200, I am tired of paying
for epson ink?
 
 

_______________________________			TIA
Regards, Mehrdad
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-----Original Message-----
From: brinkker2000 [mailto:stevebrink@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:30 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling


Hi Scott,

>>> So why mess with another ink?   

For BO printing everything I've read says Ultrachrome matte black is 
quite warm in tone.  I take it you don't mind this warmness? 

Also, for 7 ink B&W prints, profiles make a big difference by 
eliminating the blue and magneta color casts -- I saw before and 
after 4000 prints. My local shoop qouted Gretag print profiles 5 for 
$200. Not outrageous in my opinon. 
These are 2 easy methods in my opinion to get really good B&W... 

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" 
<gebilwil@n...> wrote:
> At the moment I am using Epson Enhanced Matte for compositional
proofs since it is 
> cheap.  But I am really still at the "post install" stage.
Yesterday after flawless setup and 
> run, I found a driver glitch that distracted me for quite a while.
> 
> For 'real prints' I expect to use Ultrasmooth or something like
that. 
> 
> Scott
> 
>  
> > > So why mess with another ink?
> > > >
> > Are you using a matte paper or art type paper for these stunning
blacks?
> > Steve M.
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling

2004-05-12 by Paul Roark

Mehrdad,

>1) what is BO?

Printing B&W with just the black ink.  It allows you to leave the color ink
in the printer.  Incredibly, Epson UltraChrome printers do not, however, use
the light black in "black only" printing.  The look of the print with only
black ink is sometimes referred to as a "Tri X" (grainy) look.  

The black ink is warm, but the MIS Eboni is less warm than Epson Matte
Black.  There are some papers that print cold and some that print warm, so
you do have some control over the hue of the image, but it is limited
relative to one of the variable-tone inksets.

>2) I am thinking about using the UT7 inkset with 2200, how do I
>profile my papers? Now I use colorvision products for color but how about
>B&W prints?

I have just used the Photoshop curves to control the inks.  They are open (&
free) and can be manipulated by users.  The pre-made curves cover some
popular papers, and many papers are close to those already profiled.  You'll
be surprised at how similar especially matte papers are.  We're not dealing
with high-gamut color inks here.  The UT2 & UT7 curves are also easier to
manipulate than the older ones.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

For UT2 & UT7 information, curves, and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling

2004-05-12 by mehrdad

Thank you much Paul

 
 
_______________________________
Regards, Mehrdad
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From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:17 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000 BO and profiling


Mehrdad,

>1) what is BO?

Printing B&W with just the black ink.  It allows you to leave the color ink
in the printer.  Incredibly, Epson UltraChrome printers do not, however, use
the light black in "black only" printing.  The look of the print with only
black ink is sometimes referred to as a "Tri X" (grainy) look.  

The black ink is warm, but the MIS Eboni is less warm than Epson Matte
Black.  There are some papers that print cold and some that print warm, so
you do have some control over the hue of the image, but it is limited
relative to one of the variable-tone inksets.

>2) I am thinking about using the UT7 inkset with 2200, how do I profile 
>my papers? Now I use colorvision products for color but how about B&W 
>prints?

I have just used the Photoshop curves to control the inks.  They are open (&
free) and can be manipulated by users.  The pre-made curves cover some
popular papers, and many papers are close to those already profiled.  You'll
be surprised at how similar especially matte papers are.  We're not dealing
with high-gamut color inks here.  The UT2 & UT7 curves are also easier to
manipulate than the older ones.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

For UT2 & UT7 information, curves, and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 
 






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