Digital BW, The Print

I have an idea which may turn out to be either fruitless or cost- 
prohibitive. I confess that posting this question here is my first 
bit of research and investigation on this idea. Maybe some 
contributors to this forum can point me in the right direction. 

Here is my idea: Like everyone I have accumulated quite a collection 
of family photos taken over the years, some taken by me, some by 
other family members. I would like to create an album of these images 
to present as Christmas gifts to family members. 

The prints would be created from scanned prints, negatives, and 
original digital files. All the prints would be Piezography BW prints 
on Hahnemuhle PhotoRag paper, 188 gsm, printable on both sides. I 
would like to use 13x19 paper. Some of the images would be as big as 
11x17, but many would be much smaller, with multiple images on each 
page. 

Here's the kicker: I want to create this in a book-bound form, 
hardback, possibly leather bound or cloth. I DO NOT want either a 3- 
ring binder type, or a regular photo album in which I attach my 
images onto the pages of an album. I want to book-bind my actual 
printed Hahnemuhle pages. 

The quantity needed would be 17. 

Is there any feasibility to this idea, or am I totally out to lunch? 
Is there a way to get this type binding job done, in such a small 
quantity, at a reasonable price? 

Any suggestions, guidance, alternative ideas or other input is 
greatly appreciated.

Hi Jeff,

I'm in Australia, so things might be different where you live.  But my 
first thought would be to ask companies who bind theses for university 
students.  Don't know whether they'd be set up to do pages that big, 
though.  But they'd certainly do the quality and quantity you're after - ie 
hardback book bound etc.

Good luck,

Miriam

At 10:33 AM 20/05/2004, you wrote:

>I have an idea which may turn out to be either fruitless or cost-
>prohibitive. I confess that posting this question here is my first
>bit of research and investigation on this idea. Maybe some
>contributors to this forum can point me in the right direction.
>
>Here is my idea: Like everyone I have accumulated quite a collection
>of family photos taken over the years, some taken by me, some by
>other family members. I would like to create an album of these images
>to present as Christmas gifts to family members.
>
>The prints would be created from scanned prints, negatives, and
>original digital files. All the prints would be Piezography BW prints
>on Hahnemuhle PhotoRag paper, 188 gsm, printable on both sides. I
>would like to use 13x19 paper. Some of the images would be as big as
>11x17, but many would be much smaller, with multiple images on each
>page.
>
>Here's the kicker: I want to create this in a book-bound form,
>hardback, possibly leather bound or cloth. I DO NOT want either a 3-
>ring binder type, or a regular photo album in which I attach my
>images onto the pages of an album. I want to book-bind my actual
>printed Hahnemuhle pages.
>
>The quantity needed would be 17.
>
>Is there any feasibility to this idea, or am I totally out to lunch?
>Is there a way to get this type binding job done, in such a small
>quantity, at a reasonable price?
>
>Any suggestions, guidance, alternative ideas or other input is
>greatly appreciated.

Jeff;

Here is a bindery that works with individuals http://www.orlybindery.com/ -
and you should buy "Digital Book Design and Publishing" by Douglas Holleley,
he has chapters on how to print and bind your own books.

Wendel

> Here's the kicker: I want to create this in a book-bound form,
> hardback, possibly leather bound or cloth. I DO NOT want either a 3-
> ring binder type, or a regular photo album in which I attach my
> images onto the pages of an album. I want to book-bind my actual
> printed Hahnemuhle pages.
> 
> The quantity needed would be 17.
> 
> Is there any feasibility to this idea, or am I totally out to lunch?
> Is there a way to get this type binding job done, in such a small
> quantity, at a reasonable price?
> 
> Any suggestions, guidance, alternative ideas or other input is
> greatly appreciated.

There are a few places online. Try this one for a start.
http://www.imagestation.com/tour/photo_books.html
From what I've seen about $29.00 for a bound book of your photos is about
the norm.
 
Jake
 
Fine Art Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com <http://www.jakehellbachphoto.com/> 
 
 

  _____  

From: Jeff Moore [mailto:jeffmoore17@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:33 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Binding Photos in Book Form


I have an idea which may turn out to be either fruitless or cost- 
prohibitive. I confess that posting this question here is my first 
bit of research and investigation on this idea. Maybe some 
contributors to this forum can point me in the right direction. 

Here is my idea: Like everyone I have accumulated quite a collection 
of family photos taken over the years, some taken by me, some by 
other family members. I would like to create an album of these images 
to present as Christmas gifts to family members. 

The prints would be created from scanned prints, negatives, and 
original digital files. All the prints would be Piezography BW prints 
on Hahnemuhle PhotoRag paper, 188 gsm, printable on both sides. I 
would like to use 13x19 paper. Some of the images would be as big as 
11x17, but many would be much smaller, with multiple images on each 
page. 

Here's the kicker: I want to create this in a book-bound form, 
hardback, possibly leather bound or cloth. I DO NOT want either a 3- 
ring binder type, or a regular photo album in which I attach my 
images onto the pages of an album. I want to book-bind my actual 
printed Hahnemuhle pages. 

The quantity needed would be 17. 

Is there any feasibility to this idea, or am I totally out to lunch? 
Is there a way to get this type binding job done, in such a small 
quantity, at a reasonable price? 

Any suggestions, guidance, alternative ideas or other input is 
greatly appreciated.







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Jeff,

A few points for consideration. We work occasionally with a bookbinder here
in Australia for the production of limited edition artist and photographer's
books, I can tell you that prints for traditional bookbinding need to be
produced in a manner that will meet the bookbinder's requirements.

Firstly, find a traditional bookbinder in your part of the world prior to
producing the  prints. Bookbinders will be quite specific about the page
size, requirements for stitching, direction of paper grain etc. They will
tell you what they need to produce a professional product.

on 20/5/04 10:33 AM, Jeff Moore at wrote:

>> The prints would be created from scanned prints, negatives, and
> original digital files. All the prints would be Piezography BW prints
> on Hahnemuhle PhotoRag paper, 188 gsm, printable on both sides. I
> would like to use 13x19 paper.

I don't know about Hahnemuhle PhotoRag but most papers for quality inkjet
printing are coated on one side only. Have you tried doing double sided
prints on this paper? It may be that you can't achieve consistent results if
it isn't coated on both sides
 
> Here's the kicker: I want to create this in a book-bound form,
> hardback, possibly leather bound or cloth. I DO NOT want either a 3-
> ring binder type, or a regular photo album in which I attach my
> images onto the pages of an album. I want to book-bind my actual
> printed Hahnemuhle pages.

The binder will often specify the direction of the paper grain required to
produce a book, we have often had to cut down oversize sheets to ensure that
the grain runs in the direction required for binding.


> Is there any feasibility to this idea, or am I totally out to lunch?
> Is there a way to get this type binding job done, in such a small
> quantity, at a reasonable price?

I don't know about reasonable cost, traditional bookbinding is a rapidly
diminishing craft and is quite time consuming. However nothing else replaces
it in terms of quality of the final product.

Try to find a suitable bookbinder first and discuss their process and what
you need to do to produce prints that they can work with.

Regards,

Tony Kelly
________________________
Digital Lucida
478-480 Rathdowne Street
Carlton North
Victoria 3054
Australia


http://www.digital-lucida.com.au

Keith Smith is an artist who is big in the book field, and has written a
number of books on the subject. Here's a link to his book page:

<http://www.keithsmithbooks.com/mybooks.htm>

Steve

On 5/19/04 7:26 PM, "Jeff Moore" <jeffmoore17@...> wrote:

> Here's the kicker: I want to create this in a book-bound form,
> hardback, possibly leather bound or cloth. I DO NOT want either a 3-
> ring binder type, or a regular photo album in which I attach my
> images onto the pages of an album. I want to book-bind my actual
> printed Hahnemuhle pages.

If you want to do it yourself checkout Stone Editions' system at:

 www.Stoneeditions.com

I am surprised no one has suggested that you bind them yourself -- it's not 
so hard, and the end result will have a handmade feel that makes the book all 
the more special.   I have bound books in the past in several styles; if you 
can follow basic directions (if you're on this list you can follow basic 
directions) you can bind a book.   

You can bind your albums in the usual boring book binding.   Or you can be 
creative and use a more exotic (to us) binding.   The Japanese have a tradition 
of binding in forms that work really well for scrapbook formats, and that are 
much easier for an amateur to finish.   There are about a jillion Internet 
resources and books on the subject.   Here is one web address that I just pulled 
off of Google:

http://staffcentral.brighton.ac.uk/graeme/Bookbinding%20web%20site/bookart/ba_
sewn.html

For a book, just go to Amazon and search for "bookbinding" and browse the 
results.   

People will gasp in awe when you give them one of these, and realize you did 
it yourself -- it's not hard, but it is such a lost art that it makes a big 
impact.

Sanders McNew
www.mcnew.net


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Hi,

 

 

I am new to this group, this is my first mail. :-)

Let me introduce myself: 

I am a Undergrad Student in Mgmt. and an amateur Photographer.

My name is Paresh Pandit.

 

Well, that said, here is what I would like to contribute to this thread.

 

If you gotto make just 17 Books, you could make those yourself.

I mean Christmas is still not so close, you could do it as a weekend
project.

Considering that you know Book Binding i.e. .

If you don't, then I aint of much help I guess, I dunno nothing about
binders in your area so. :-(.

Anywho, it is easy, you could give it a try if some of your friends know
how-to.

[We were taught book binding in high school]

Or I am sure you would get lot of illustrated tutorials on the net.

 

Hope this is of use.

 

 

With Best Regards

 

Paresh Pandit

Mumbai, IN

Thursday, May 20, 2004

 

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From: Jeff Moore [mailto:jeffmoore17@...] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 6:03 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Binding Photos in Book Form

 

*	I have an idea which may turn out to be either fruitless or cost- 
prohibitive. I confess that posting this question here is my first 
bit of research and investigation on this idea. Maybe some 
contributors to this forum can point me in the right direction. 

Here is my idea: Like everyone I have accumulated quite a collection 
of family photos taken over the years, some taken by me, some by 
other family members. I would like to create an album of these images 
to present as Christmas gifts to family members. 

The prints would be created from scanned prints, negatives, and 
original digital files. All the prints would be Piezography BW prints 
on Hahnemuhle PhotoRag paper, 188 gsm, printable on both sides. I 
would like to use 13x19 paper. Some of the images would be as big as 
11x17, but many would be much smaller, with multiple images on each 
page. 

Here's the kicker: I want to create this in a book-bound form, 
hardback, possibly leather bound or cloth. I DO NOT want either a 3- 
ring binder type, or a regular photo album in which I attach my 
images onto the pages of an album. I want to book-bind my actual 
printed Hahnemuhle pages. 

The quantity needed would be 17. 

Is there any feasibility to this idea, or am I totally out to lunch? 
Is there a way to get this type binding job done, in such a small 
quantity, at a reasonable price? 

Any suggestions, guidance, alternative ideas or other input is 
greatly appreciated.

 

 



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Jeff:

>>> All the prints would be Piezography BW prints
on Hahnemuhle PhotoRag paper, 188 gsm, printable on both sides...
Here's the kicker: I want to create this in a book-bound form,
hardback, possibly leather bound or cloth.<<<

It's not the binding which is your main problem. I made two books with double-sided 
PhotoRag, one 188 and the other 308 gsm, printed on the Epson 1280 for color and the 
Epson 1160 for Piezography BW. The problem is that this paper flakes easily and scuffs 
even more easily, the latter particularly in dark or black areas of the prints. Because of the 
flaking and scuffing I wouldn't do this again.

Also, you're thinking of a book on 13x19 inch paper: this size is very ungainly and 
inconvenient for a bound book.

If you're using a Mac, you might want to look into Apple's iPhoto software which allows 
you to lay out a book of photos which can be e-mailed to Apple for printing into a 
clothbound book.

--Mitch/Bangkok

> If you're using a Mac, you might want to look into Apple's iPhoto 
> software which allows 
> you to lay out a book of photos which can be e-mailed to Apple 
> for printing into a 
> clothbound book.

Has anyone actually tried one of these iBooks for photo work?

How do they look? What's the quality like?

I see Stephen Shore is using them to make one-off editions

tim

I have made many iPhoto books and they look great. There is a somewhat 
limited layout but you can work around that with some creative 
Photoshop work. Also if you are not a Mac person you can get basically 
the same thing done at http://www.mypublisher.com/default.php   I have 
never used them so not sure of their quality.
Mark

On May 22, 2004, at 8:23 PM, Tim Atherton wrote:

>
>  > If you're using a Mac, you might want to look into Apple's iPhoto
>  > software which allows
>  > you to lay out a book of photos which can be e-mailed to Apple
>  > for printing into a
>  > clothbound book.
>
>  Has anyone actually tried one of these iBooks for photo work?
>
>  How do they look? What's the quality like?
>
>  I see Stephen Shore is using them to make one-off editions
>
>  tim
>
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