Digital BW, The Print

Hello folks,

I bought some Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloosy and Pearl Glossy paper to 
use with UT2 inks. My monitor is calibrated to GG 1.8 and that works 
just fine for the EEM paper I print on for matte paper. The working 
gray space is GG 1.8. My observation is that the identical image 
without further adjustments, prints much darker on the glossy paper. 
I switched the proof to GG 2.2 and that matches the resulting glossy 
printed image. I would like feedback on what others have their 
monitor set or calibrated to--GG 1.8 or GG 2.2 , and what is your 
working Gray Space? I do like the added shadow tones thst GG 1.8 
provides me in my image, but the change of the glossy print is also 
pleasing to my eye. It will call for a revaluation of my 
perception???

Your friend in Photography,

Johnny Eades

Hi John

The gamma you set can be from 1.8-2.4.  However, the purpose of the 
gamma is to match the monitor's image display with the printed 
image.  Currently, I am using a grayscale gamma of 2.0 but I am 
printing through a lab service that uses Studioprint.  You might want 
to leave a higher gamma because gloss papers seem to have a higher 
DMAX than matte papers.

Regards
Ross  


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" 
<jeades1@s...> wrote:
> Hello folks,
> 
> I bought some Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloosy and Pearl Glossy paper 
to 
> use with UT2 inks. My monitor is calibrated to GG 1.8 and that 
works 
> just fine for the EEM paper I print on for matte paper. The working 
> gray space is GG 1.8. My observation is that the identical image 
> without further adjustments, prints much darker on the glossy 
paper. 
> I switched the proof to GG 2.2 and that matches the resulting 
glossy 

> printed image. I would like feedback on what others have their 
> monitor set or calibrated to--GG 1.8 or GG 2.2 , and what is your 
> working Gray Space? I do like the added shadow tones thst GG 1.8 
> provides me in my image, but the change of the glossy print is also 
> pleasing to my eye. It will call for a revaluation of my 
> perception???
> 
> Your friend in Photography,
> 
> Johnny Eades

Thanks for the input on my question. I can still leave the monitor 
set in GG 1.8 and proof in GG 2.2--is that correct? I wouldn't wish 
to change the monitor settings every time I changed from matte to 
glossy. Just make the change in Photoshop?

Thanks again,
Your friend in Photography,

Johnny Eades


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "borgida" 
<borgida@y...> wrote:
> Hi John
> 
> The gamma you set can be from 1.8-2.4.  However, the purpose of 
the 
> gamma is to match the monitor's image display with the printed 
> image.  Currently, I am using a grayscale gamma of 2.0 but I am 
> printing through a lab service that uses Studioprint.  You might 
want 

> to leave a higher gamma because gloss papers seem to have a higher 
> DMAX than matte papers.
> 
> Regards
> Ross  
> 
>

John

The selection of gamma space will not effect the printed image per se.
However, if your concern is to obtain an accurate preview on screen of what
the image will look like when printed to a particular media (and you are not
using a colour managed workflow) you are much better off following the print
preview methodologies that have been highlighted in this forum in the past ­
particularly by Carl Schofield and others.  Here is an old post from Carl:

<<I recently discovered (stumbled across) a way to create standard icc
profiles that can be used for soft-proofing QTR prints in Photoshop. 
I've put a sample soft-proof profile that was created from an icc
profile for a QTR sepia curve that I use quite often in an archive on
my filesharing site.  Just drop the proof profile (sepia1.psf) in the
folder Library>Application Support>Adobe>Color>Proofing and follow the
illustrated instructions for using the soft-proof in the read-me file
that is also in the archive.  You don't need to be using or have QTR
installed to just see how any RGB or grayscale image you have will
actually look if it were printed with QTR and the sepia curve I'm
using. The read-me also has instructions for creating the icc profiles
if you want to make your own.  This can be applied to any inkset/paper
and probably with quad workflows other than QTR as well.  One of the
nice things about using standard icc soft-proof profiles is that you
can work up your image for printing in any mode (full RGB color or
grayscale) and get a preview of the printed results as you do RGB to
grayscale conversions, curve adjustments, etc. with the soft-proof
turned on.

The softproof archive with the profile and tutorial is in the QTR
Soft-proof folder at:

http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html


>>

Steve

FYI My Apple Cinema HD display is calibrated with Gray Gamma 2.2 and I use
this as my gray work space in PS CS.

From: "borgida" <borgida@yahoo.com>

Hi John

The gamma you set can be from 1.8-2.4.  However, the purpose of the
gamma is to match the monitor's image display with the printed
image.  Currently, I am using a grayscale gamma of 2.0 but I am
printing through a lab service that uses Studioprint.  You might want
to leave a higher gamma because gloss papers seem to have a higher
DMAX than matte papers.

Regards
Ross  


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades"
<jeades1@s...> wrote:
> Hello folks,
> 
> I bought some Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloosy and Pearl Glossy paper
to 
> use with UT2 inks. My monitor is calibrated to GG 1.8 and that
works 
> just fine for the EEM paper I print on for matte paper. The working
> gray space is GG 1.8. My observation is that the identical image
> without further adjustments, prints much darker on the glossy
paper. 
> I switched the proof to GG 2.2 and that matches the resulting
glossy 
> printed image. I would like feedback on what others have their
> monitor set or calibrated to--GG 1.8 or GG 2.2 , and what is your
> working Gray Space? I do like the added shadow tones thst GG 1.8
> provides me in my image, but the change of the glossy print is also
> pleasing to my eye. It will call for a revaluation of my
> perception???
> 
> Your friend in Photography,
> 
> Johnny Eades






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> From: Johnny Eades [mailto:jeades1@...]
>
> I bought some Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloosy and Pearl Glossy paper to
> use with UT2 inks. My monitor is calibrated to GG 1.8 and that works
> just fine for the EEM paper I print on for matte paper. The working
> gray space is GG 1.8. My observation is that the identical image
> without further adjustments, prints much darker on the glossy paper.
> I switched the proof to GG 2.2 and that matches the resulting glossy
> printed image. I would like feedback on what others have their
> monitor set or calibrated to--GG 1.8 or GG 2.2 , and what is your
> working Gray Space? I do like the added shadow tones thst GG 1.8
> provides me in my image, but the change of the glossy print is also
> pleasing to my eye. It will call for a revaluation of my
> perception???

You should be using all color-managed software, like Photoshop, in which
case the choice of gamma will be irrelevant. As to white point, I like a
white point that matches my room lighting (5000K, using Solux halogens), but
others prefer running the monitor at a higher color temp. For B&W, I don't
particularly care, because what you need to evaluate on the screen are the
tonal relationships, not the overall color cast.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...