Digital BW, The Print

Hello

I was wondering what many of you digital black and white print 
photographers are using for a monitor and a calibration tool.  In a 
workshop I attended, the instructor mentioned getting a monitor withs 
its own front-end calibrator (i.e., Lacie or Sony Artisan).

Well, the Artisan is way out of my budget and I am considering the 
Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator.  What are all of you using 
as a monitor and what monitor calibration device are you using?  

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Ross

Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator
Mark

On Jun 23, 2004, at 8:46 AM, borgida wrote:

> Hello
>
>  I was wondering what many of you digital black and white print
>  photographers are using for a monitor and a calibration tool.� In a
>  workshop I attended, the instructor mentioned getting a monitor withs
>  its own front-end calibrator (i.e., Lacie or Sony Artisan).
>
>  Well, the Artisan is way out of my budget and I am considering the
>  Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator.� What are all of you using
>  as a monitor and what monitor calibration device are you using?�
>
>  Thanks in advance.
>
>  Regards
>  Ross
>
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
> resources as they are often being updated.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
>  If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish 
> to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting 
> this same page.
>
>  Please follow these basic guidelines:
>  - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to 
> keep them short.
>  - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or 
> flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from 
> the membership without notice.
>  - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital 
> B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be 
> removed from the membership.
>  - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and 
> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group 
> Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the 
> Files section:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>
>  BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE 
> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� 
> AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE 
> LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, 
> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, 
> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE 
> LOSSES (EVEN IF THE� �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT 
> YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), 
> RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, 
> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF 
> YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD 
> PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
> MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>
> ADVERTISEMENT
> <lrec_companion_043004.gif>
> <l.gif>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> 	� 	To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/
> �
> 	� 	 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> �
> 	� 	 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of 
> Service.
>
>  

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My understanding is that the Lacie monitors are made by NEC/Mitsubishi.
I've got a NEC monitor with the hardware calibrator - works fine. Less
money than the Lacie, at least 18 months ago it was.



On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 08:46, borgida wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I was wondering what many of you digital black and white print 
> photographers are using for a monitor and a calibration tool.  In a 
> workshop I attended, the instructor mentioned getting a monitor withs 
> its own front-end calibrator (i.e., Lacie or Sony Artisan).
> 
> Well, the Artisan is way out of my budget and I am considering the 
> Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator.  What are all of you using 
> as a monitor and what monitor calibration device are you using?  
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards
> Ross
> 
> 
> 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What model is the NEC/Mitsubishi with hardware calibrator?  Thanks.

hogarth <hogarth@...> wrote:My understanding is that the Lacie monitors are made by NEC/Mitsubishi.
I've got a NEC monitor with the hardware calibrator - works fine. Less
money than the Lacie, at least 18 months ago it was.



On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 08:46, borgida wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I was wondering what many of you digital black and white print 
> photographers are using for a monitor and a calibration tool.  In a 
> workshop I attended, the instructor mentioned getting a monitor withs 
> its own front-end calibrator (i.e., Lacie or Sony Artisan).
> 
> Well, the Artisan is way out of my budget and I am considering the 
> Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator.  What are all of you using 
> as a monitor and what monitor calibration device are you using?  
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards
> Ross
> 
> 
> 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page.

Please follow these basic guidelines:
- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.
- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice.
- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/

BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.



Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT


---------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

   To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/
  
   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
  
   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 



		
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I use and really like my ViewSonic P95f+ Professional Series monitor. I
use Pantone Colorvision Optical as my calibration tool. Both of these
items are fairly new (within the past 3 months) and I've been very
pleased with both.

Lea

----- Original Message -----
From: "borgida" <borgida@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:46 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Monitors and Calibrations


Hello

I was wondering what many of you digital black and white print
photographers are using for a monitor and a calibration tool.  In a
workshop I attended, the instructor mentioned getting a monitor withs
its own front-end calibrator (i.e., Lacie or Sony Artisan).

Well, the Artisan is way out of my budget and I am considering the
Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator.  What are all of you using
as a monitor and what monitor calibration device are you using?

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Ross





Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources
as they are often being updated.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this
same page.

Please follow these basic guidelines:
- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to
keep them short.
- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.
Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
membership without notice.
- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W
printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed
from the membership.
- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner
and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files
section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/

BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND
"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO
YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR
EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF
PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE
"OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN
ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE
OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii)
UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA;
(iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE
PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW,
THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.

Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ross Borgida 
<borgida@y...> wrote:
> What model is the NEC/Mitsubishi with hardware calibrator?  Thanks.
> 
> hogarth <hogarth@s...> wrote:My understanding is that the Lacie 
monitors are made by NEC/Mitsubishi.
> I've got a NEC monitor with the hardware calibrator - works fine. 
Less
> money than the Lacie, at least 18 months ago it was.
> 

The NEC with Spectravision (the calibration system) is the 
FP2141SB-SV.  
URL:
http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/ProductsBySize.cfm?
ProductGroup=CRT&ProductSize=22%
20Inch&ClassificationFamily=1&Classification=1

I bought a few of these monitors without the calibration and use the 
Colorvision Spyder with them.  I like the monitors a lot, but lust 
for the Sony Artisan or maybe a Barco.

Not completely happy with the Spyder, BTW, and plan to upgrade to the 
Eye One Photo to gain printer calibration as well.

Michael

Hello Ross,

I have a NEC 97F and use the Pantone Colorvision Spyder. Rather than 
selecting any particular color temperature, I indicate that my 
monitor does not have color temp options, and then use the 
individual RGB guns to adjust. I have managed to get them to match 
each other with .000 difference, but it took a lot of fiddling with 
the adjustments. I am delighted with the results though. I do black 
and white and was surprised how important that the color guns were 
matching each other so there was no color cast anywhere in the image 
on the monitor. I got the Spyder off eBay from a camera store that 
had had a demonstration of them and Photoshop with digital cameras. 
They resold them afte the classes and still made money and I got it 
a little cheaper than from the retail stores.

Your friend in Photography,

Johnny Eades







--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "borgida" 
<borgida@y...> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I was wondering what many of you digital black and white print 
> photographers are using for a monitor and a calibration tool.  In 
a 
> workshop I attended, the instructor mentioned getting a monitor 
withs 
> its own front-end calibrator (i.e., Lacie or Sony Artisan).
> 
> Well, the Artisan is way out of my budget and I am considering the 
> Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator.  What are all of you 
using 

> as a monitor and what monitor calibration device are you using?  
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards
> Ross

Ross,
I'm using a LaCie Electron Blue display, calibrated
with a ColorVision spyder. I'm happy.
Ron

--- borgida <borgida@...> wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I was wondering what many of you digital black and
> white print 
> photographers are using for a monitor and a
> calibration tool.  In a 
> workshop I attended, the instructor mentioned
> getting a monitor withs 
> its own front-end calibrator (i.e., Lacie or Sony
> Artisan).
> 
> Well, the Artisan is way out of my budget and I am
> considering the 
> Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator.  What are
> all of you using 
> as a monitor and what monitor calibration device are
> you using?  
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards
> Ross
> 
> 
>

Apple 20" Cinema Display (LCD) with GretagMacbeth Eye-One Display

On Jun 23, 2004, at 8:46 AM, borgida wrote:

> Hello
>
> I was wondering what many of you digital black and white print
> photographers are using for a monitor and a calibration tool.  In a
> workshop I attended, the instructor mentioned getting a monitor withs
> its own front-end calibrator (i.e., Lacie or Sony Artisan).
>
> Well, the Artisan is way out of my budget and I am considering the
> Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator.  What are all of you using
> as a monitor and what monitor calibration device are you using?

I have the Lacie 21 w/Blue Eye - it has solved all my problems with
printing(along with IP 5.6)  and works like a "champ".  Best purchase I
have made in digital photography.







Well, the Artisan is way out of my budget and I am considering the
Lacie with the Blue Eye Vision calibrator.  What are all of you using
as a monitor and what monitor calibration device are you using?

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Ross

<< I was wondering what many of you digital black and 
white print 
photographers are using for a monitor and a 
calibration tool.  In a 
workshop I attended, the instructor mentioned getting 
a monitor withs 
its own front-end calibrator (i.e., Lacie or Sony 
Artisan).>>

I have had the same problem and without the resources
to purchase one of the dedicated monitor calibration
devices or special monitors I had to find a different
way.  I finally found out that my video card (NVIDIA
GeForce2 Ti) allowed individual RGB adjustments (shows
a graph similar to PS curves) as well as brightness,
contrast, and gamma.  I selected a print with a wide
gamut and using that I adjusted my monitor to match
the print, so theoretically I should have a WYSIWYG
between my monitor (17" CTX) and my printer (Epson
1280) and I have been very pleased with the results so
far... YMMV