Digital BW, The Print

I am obtaining smooth gorgeous prints with UT2 Inks on 1280 with 
Epson sliders out of Picture Window 3.5.  As a mater of fact a 
smoother tonal ramp than with the curves.  However my output from 
Photoshop 7.0 is awful no matter what.  I don't really care I just 
print from Picture Window.  It's just kind of a mystery to me.  All 
my settings are right.  Just kind of curious why the output would be 
so different.  My output from Photoshop with Paul's curves or the 
sliders is totally blotchy large areas of the tonal ramp are totally 
missing.  Most obvious is 95-100. Gorgeous, smooth as silk out of 
Picture Window.  Very strange.  Like to hear some opinions on this 
one.  I'm scratching my head.  I have been a user of Photoshop for 
over 10 years and Picture Window starting with version 3.0 for 2+ 
years.

Hi:

What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail and tonal 
range.

Regards,

Jeff

Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2

Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)

I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went to the extreme 
of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling everything.  Same 
blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  

So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using the sliders 
in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, Gamma 1.8 (don't 
understand this one either you would think 2.2) on EEM.  I have spent 
literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to arrive at this.  I 
am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an inkjet this 
way.  

I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I will be using 
at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has anything to do with 
it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit before sending to 
the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were down the line 
while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before printing in 
Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured files I am 
using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if this has 
anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit conversion 
algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  I need to ask 
this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and Color. I 
wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an option that works 
very well.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
<jeff120749@n...> wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail and tonal 
> range.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jeff

I wonder if there is some kind of incompatibility with the color 
management engines.  My raw converter C1 uses Windows color 
management and so does Picture Window.  Maybe this incompatibility is 
exasperated by the 12 to 16 bit padding.  No, come to think of it I 
converted with Adobe CR as well and same thing.  I don't know why I 
worry about this I've solved this problem By printing from Picture 
Window.  Just very curious. Gremlins?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
<islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> 
> Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)
> 
> I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went to the 
extreme 
> of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling everything.  
Same 
> blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  
> 
> So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using the sliders 
> in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, Gamma 1.8 
(don't 
> understand this one either you would think 2.2) on EEM.  I have 
spent 
> literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to arrive at this.  
I 
> am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an inkjet this 
> way.  
> 
> I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I will be using 
> at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has anything to do 
with 
> it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit before sending 
to 
> the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were down the 
line 
> while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before printing in 
> Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured files I am 
> using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if this has 
> anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit conversion 
> algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  I need to 
ask 
> this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and Color. I 
> wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an option that 
works 

> very well.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
> <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > Hi:
> > 
> > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail and tonal 
> > range.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Jeff

Do you print from the file in Grayscale or RGB?

For the curves to work properly you need to work in RGB.

Gareth


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
<islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> 
> Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)
> 
> I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went to the 
extreme 
> of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling everything.  
Same 
> blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  
> 
> So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using the sliders 
> in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, Gamma 1.8 
(don't 
> understand this one either you would think 2.2) on EEM.  I have 
spent 
> literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to arrive at this.  
I 
> am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an inkjet this 
> way.  
> 
> I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I will be using 
> at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has anything to do 
with 
> it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit before sending 
to 
> the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were down the 
line 
> while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before printing in 
> Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured files I am 
> using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if this has 
> anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit conversion 
> algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  I need to 
ask 
> this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and Color. I 
> wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an option that 
works 

> very well.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
> <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > Hi:
> > 
> > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail and tonal 
> > range.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Jeff

Yep, curves in RGB.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
<g.loc@o...> wrote:
> Do you print from the file in Grayscale or RGB?
> 
> For the curves to work properly you need to work in RGB.
> 
> Gareth
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> > 
> > Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)
> > 
> > I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went to the 
> extreme 
> > of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling everything.  
> Same 
> > blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  
> > 
> > So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using the 
sliders 
> > in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, Gamma 1.8 
> (don't 
> > understand this one either you would think 2.2) on EEM.  I have 
> spent 
> > literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to arrive at 
this.  
> I 
> > am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an inkjet 
this 
> > way.  
> > 
> > I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I will be 
using 
> > at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has anything to do 
> with 
> > it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit before sending 
> to 
> > the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were down the 
> line 
> > while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before printing in 
> > Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured files I am 
> > using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if this has 
> > anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit conversion 
> > algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  I need to 
> ask 
> > this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and Color. I 
> > wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an option that 
> works 
> > very well.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
> > <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > > Hi:
> > > 
> > > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> > > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail and 
tonal 

> > > range.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Jeff

16 bit RGB as a matter of fact.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
<islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> Yep, curves in RGB.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
> <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > Do you print from the file in Grayscale or RGB?
> > 
> > For the curves to work properly you need to work in RGB.
> > 
> > Gareth
> > 
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> > > 
> > > Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)
> > > 
> > > I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went to the 
> > extreme 
> > > of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling everything.  
> > Same 
> > > blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  
> > > 
> > > So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using the 
> sliders 
> > > in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, Gamma 1.8 
> > (don't 
> > > understand this one either you would think 2.2) on EEM.  I have 
> > spent 
> > > literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to arrive at 
> this.  
> > I 
> > > am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an inkjet 
> this 
> > > way.  
> > > 
> > > I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I will be 
> using 
> > > at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has anything to 
do 
> > with 
> > > it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit before 
sending 
> > to 
> > > the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were down the 
> > line 
> > > while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before printing in 
> > > Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured files I 
am 
> > > using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if this has 
> > > anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit conversion 
> > > algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  I need 
to 
> > ask 
> > > this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and Color. I 
> > > wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an option that 
> > works 
> > > very well.
> > > 
> > > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 

> > > <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > > > Hi:
> > > > 
> > > > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> > > > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail and 
> tonal 
> > > > range.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Jeff

Is the RGB in Adobe RGB 1998?  Please check your color settings and make sure your RGB settings is Adobe RGB 1998.

islandbuck2 <islandbuck@bellsouth.net> wrote:16 bit RGB as a matter of fact.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
<islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> Yep, curves in RGB.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
> <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > Do you print from the file in Grayscale or RGB?
> > 
> > For the curves to work properly you need to work in RGB.
> > 
> > Gareth
> > 
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> > > 
> > > Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)
> > > 
> > > I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went to the 
> > extreme 
> > > of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling everything.  
> > Same 
> > > blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  
> > > 
> > > So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using the 
> sliders 
> > > in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, Gamma 1.8 
> > (don't 
> > > understand this one either you would think 2.2) on EEM.  I have 
> > spent 
> > > literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to arrive at 
> this.  
> > I 
> > > am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an inkjet 
> this 
> > > way.  
> > > 
> > > I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I will be 
> using 
> > > at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has anything to 
do 
> > with 
> > > it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit before 
sending 
> > to 
> > > the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were down the 
> > line 
> > > while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before printing in 
> > > Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured files I 
am 
> > > using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if this has 
> > > anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit conversion 
> > > algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  I need 
to 
> > ask 
> > > this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and Color. I 
> > > wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an option that 
> > works 
> > > very well.
> > > 
> > > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
> > > <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > > > Hi:
> > > > 
> > > > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> > > > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail and 
> tonal 
> > > > range.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Jeff



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Yep, Adobe RGB 1998

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ross Borgida 
<borgida@y...> wrote:
> Is the RGB in Adobe RGB 1998?  Please check your color settings and 
make sure your RGB settings is Adobe RGB 1998.
> 
> islandbuck2 <islandbuck@b...> wrote:16 bit RGB as a matter of fact.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > Yep, curves in RGB.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
> > <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > > Do you print from the file in Grayscale or RGB?
> > > 
> > > For the curves to work properly you need to work in RGB.
> > > 
> > > Gareth
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > > Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> > > > 
> > > > Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)
> > > > 
> > > > I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went to the 
> > > extreme 
> > > > of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling 
everything.  
> > > Same 
> > > > blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  
> > > > 
> > > > So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using the 
> > sliders 
> > > > in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, Gamma 
1.8 
> > > (don't 
> > > > understand this one either you would think 2.2) on EEM.  I 
have 
> > > spent 
> > > > literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to arrive at 
> > this.  
> > > I 
> > > > am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an 
inkjet 
> > this 
> > > > way.  
> > > > 
> > > > I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I will be 
> > using 
> > > > at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has anything to 
> do 
> > > with 
> > > > it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit before 
> sending 
> > > to 
> > > > the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were down 
the 
> > > line 
> > > > while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before printing 
in 
> > > > Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured files 
I 
> am 
> > > > using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if this 
has 
> > > > anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit 
conversion 
> > > > algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  I need 
> to 
> > > ask 
> > > > this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and Color. I 
> > > > wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an option 
that 
> > > works 
> > > > very well.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
> > > > <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi:
> > > > > 
> > > > > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> > > > > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail and 
> > tonal 
> > > > > range.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jeff
> 
> 
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Next...

Paper setting in Print Driver - Photo Paper, everything other setting 
gives 'muddy' images.

If you are in 16bit the driver converts to 8bit so any fragmented 
histograms you may have will be smoothed out.

How do step wedges print, any blocking of tones in any particular 
area?

Gareth

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
<islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> Yep, Adobe RGB 1998
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ross Borgida 
> <borgida@y...> wrote:
> > Is the RGB in Adobe RGB 1998?  Please check your color settings 
and 
> make sure your RGB settings is Adobe RGB 1998.
> > 
> > islandbuck2 <islandbuck@b...> wrote:16 bit RGB as a matter of 
fact.
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > Yep, curves in RGB.
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
> > > <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > > > Do you print from the file in Grayscale or RGB?
> > > > 
> > > > For the curves to work properly you need to work in RGB.
> > > > 
> > > > Gareth
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In 
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > > > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > > > Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> > > > > 
> > > > > Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)
> > > > > 
> > > > > I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went to 
the 
> > > > extreme 
> > > > > of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling 
> everything.  
> > > > Same 
> > > > > blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using the 
> > > sliders 
> > > > > in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, Gamma 
> 1.8 
> > > > (don't 
> > > > > understand this one either you would think 2.2) on EEM.  I 
> have 
> > > > spent 
> > > > > literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to arrive at 
> > > this.  
> > > > I 
> > > > > am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an 
> inkjet 
> > > this 
> > > > > way.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I will 
be 
> > > using 
> > > > > at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has anything 
to 
> > do 
> > > > with 
> > > > > it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit before 
> > sending 
> > > > to 
> > > > > the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were down 
> the 
> > > > line 
> > > > > while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before 
printing 
> in 
> > > > > Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured 
files 
> I 
> > am 
> > > > > using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if this 
> has 
> > > > > anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit 
> conversion 
> > > > > algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  I 
need 
> > to 
> > > > ask 
> > > > > this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and Color. 
I 
> > > > > wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an option 
> that 
> > > > works 
> > > > > very well.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In 
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
> > > > > <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> > > > > > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail 
and 
> > > tonal 
> > > > > > range.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Jeff
> > 
> > 
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In "Print with Preview" make sure "Print Space"  is "Same as Source"

It is.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" 
<jvlist@c...> wrote:
> In "Print with Preview" make sure "Print Space"  is "Same as Source"

It is set to "Photo Paper".

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
<g.loc@o...> wrote:
> Next...
> 
> Paper setting in Print Driver - Photo Paper, everything other 
setting 
> gives 'muddy' images.
> 
> If you are in 16bit the driver converts to 8bit so any fragmented 
> histograms you may have will be smoothed out.
> 
> How do step wedges print, any blocking of tones in any particular 
> area?
> 
> Gareth
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > Yep, Adobe RGB 1998
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ross Borgida 
> > <borgida@y...> wrote:
> > > Is the RGB in Adobe RGB 1998?  Please check your color settings 
> and 
> > make sure your RGB settings is Adobe RGB 1998.
> > > 
> > > islandbuck2 <islandbuck@b...> wrote:16 bit RGB as a matter of 
> fact.
> > > 
> > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > > Yep, curves in RGB.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
> > > > <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > Do you print from the file in Grayscale or RGB?
> > > > > 
> > > > > For the curves to work properly you need to work in RGB.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Gareth
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In 
> > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > > > > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > > > > Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went to 
> the 
> > > > > extreme 
> > > > > > of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling 
> > everything.  
> > > > > Same 
> > > > > > blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using 
the 
> > > > sliders 
> > > > > > in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, 
Gamma 
> > 1.8 
> > > > > (don't 
> > > > > > understand this one either you would think 2.2) on EEM.  
I 
> > have 
> > > > > spent 
> > > > > > literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to arrive 
at 
> > > > this.  
> > > > > I 
> > > > > > am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an 
> > inkjet 
> > > > this 
> > > > > > way.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I 
will 
> be 
> > > > using 
> > > > > > at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has 
anything 
> to 
> > > do 
> > > > > with 
> > > > > > it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit before 
> > > sending 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were 
down 
> > the 
> > > > > line 
> > > > > > while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before 
> printing 
> > in 
> > > > > > Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured 
> files 
> > I 
> > > am 
> > > > > > using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if 
this 
> > has 
> > > > > > anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit 
> > conversion 
> > > > > > algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  I 
> need 
> > > to 
> > > > > ask 
> > > > > > this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and 
Color. 
> I 
> > > > > > wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an 
option 
> > that 
> > > > > works 
> > > > > > very well.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In 
> > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
> > > > > > <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> > > > > > > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow detail 
> and 
> > > > tonal 
> > > > > > > range.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Jeff
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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What OS are you running??

I remember getting pretty bad prints (posterization) with some images 
using MAC OS 9 and Photoshop 7. When I switched to MAC OSX using 
Photoshop 7 and now Photoshop CS those same image files printed A LOT 
better.


-Jeff

On Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 10:58 AM, islandbuck2 wrote:

> It is.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo"
> <jvlist@c...> wrote:
>> In "Print with Preview" make sure "Print Space"  is "Same as Source"
>
>
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How do step wedges print?

Gareth

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
<islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> It is set to "Photo Paper".
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
> <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > Next...
> > 
> > Paper setting in Print Driver - Photo Paper, everything other 
> setting 
> > gives 'muddy' images.
> > 
> > If you are in 16bit the driver converts to 8bit so any fragmented 
> > histograms you may have will be smoothed out.
> > 
> > How do step wedges print, any blocking of tones in any particular 
> > area?
> > 
> > Gareth
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > Yep, Adobe RGB 1998
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ross 
Borgida 
> > > <borgida@y...> wrote:
> > > > Is the RGB in Adobe RGB 1998?  Please check your color 
settings 
> > and 
> > > make sure your RGB settings is Adobe RGB 1998.
> > > > 
> > > > islandbuck2 <islandbuck@b...> wrote:16 bit RGB as a matter of 
> > fact.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In 
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > > > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > > > Yep, curves in RGB.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
> > > > > <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > > Do you print from the file in Grayscale or RGB?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > For the curves to work properly you need to work in RGB.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Gareth
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In 
> > > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > > > > > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source (Adobe)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went 
to 
> > the 
> > > > > > extreme 
> > > > > > > of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling 
> > > everything.  
> > > > > > Same 
> > > > > > > blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as before.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, using 
> the 
> > > > > sliders 
> > > > > > > in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, 
> Gamma 
> > > 1.8 
> > > > > > (don't 
> > > > > > > understand this one either you would think 2.2) on 
EEM.  
> I 
> > > have 
> > > > > > spent 
> > > > > > > literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to 
arrive 
> at 
> > > > > this.  
> > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from an 
> > > inkjet 
> > > > > this 
> > > > > > > way.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I 
> will 
> > be 
> > > > > using 
> > > > > > > at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has 
> anything 
> > to 
> > > > do 
> > > > > > with 
> > > > > > > it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit 
before 
> > > > sending 
> > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some were 
> down 
> > > the 
> > > > > > line 
> > > > > > > while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before 
> > printing 
> > > in 
> > > > > > > Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally captured 
> > files 
> > > I 
> > > > am 
> > > > > > > using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder if 
> this 
> > > has 
> > > > > > > anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit 
> > > conversion 
> > > > > > > algorithm is different is some way in Picture Window.  
I 
> > need 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > ask 
> > > > > > > this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and 
> Color. 
> > I 
> > > > > > > wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an 
> option 
> > > that 
> > > > > > works 
> > > > > > > very well.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In 
> > > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
> > > > > > > <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves and 
> > > > > > > > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow 
detail 
> > and 
> > > > > tonal 
> > > > > > > > range.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Jeff
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
> > > resources as they are often being updated.
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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On the Epson group I saw where using the slides has at time corrupted 
the epson driver.

Also, what is your custom settings in the epson driver - make sure 
you have "No Color Management" select. If you have ICC select in PS 
you are apply the curve twice.

Regards,

Jeff

Same with a step wedge, blocked up printed from Photoshop 7 smooth 
printed from Picture Window.  The one printed with sliders from 
Picture Window was the smoothest.  We are running Windows 98se. We 
have been running a twisted pair network this way for over 2 years 
never a glitch.  We have had no reason to upgrade.  We have 2000 in 
it's box that's never been opened and have never felt a need to go 
though the hassle.

We may be going the Apple route soon and printing with a 16 bit RIP.  
Maybe not.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
<g.loc@o...> wrote:
> How do step wedges print?
> 
> Gareth
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > It is set to "Photo Paper".
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
> > <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > > Next...
> > > 
> > > Paper setting in Print Driver - Photo Paper, everything other 
> > setting 
> > > gives 'muddy' images.
> > > 
> > > If you are in 16bit the driver converts to 8bit so any 
fragmented 
> > > histograms you may have will be smoothed out.
> > > 
> > > How do step wedges print, any blocking of tones in any 
particular 
> > > area?
> > > 
> > > Gareth
> > > 
> > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > > Yep, Adobe RGB 1998
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ross 
> Borgida 
> > > > <borgida@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Is the RGB in Adobe RGB 1998?  Please check your color 
> settings 
> > > and 
> > > > make sure your RGB settings is Adobe RGB 1998.
> > > > > 
> > > > > islandbuck2 <islandbuck@b...> wrote:16 bit RGB as a matter 
of 
> > > fact.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In 
> > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > > > > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > > > > Yep, curves in RGB.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gareth" 
> > > > > > <g.loc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Do you print from the file in Grayscale or RGB?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For the curves to work properly you need to work in RGB.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Gareth
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In 
> > > > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "islandbuck2" 
> > > > > > > <islandbuck@b...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Color Settings = Adobe Working Space, Gray Gamma 2.2
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Print Preview = Color Management, Same as Source 
(Adobe)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I know it,  makes no sense to me either.  I even went 
> to 
> > > the 
> > > > > > > extreme 
> > > > > > > > of totally reformatting my system and reinstalling 
> > > > everything.  
> > > > > > > Same 
> > > > > > > > blotchy, posterized output from Photoshop 7 as 
before.  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So, I have been Printing from Picture Window 3.5, 
using 
> > the 
> > > > > > sliders 
> > > > > > > > in the Epson driver M -5 C +5 (Warm Neutral), Vivid, 
> > Gamma 
> > > > 1.8 
> > > > > > > (don't 
> > > > > > > > understand this one either you would think 2.2) on 
> EEM.  
> > I 
> > > > have 
> > > > > > > spent 
> > > > > > > > literally hundreds of dollars on ink and paper to 
> arrive 
> > at 
> > > > > > this.  
> > > > > > > I 
> > > > > > > > am getting the finest prints I have ever gotten from 
an 
> > > > inkjet 
> > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > > way.  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I keep my proofs at 16 bit.  I feel that some point I 
> > will 
> > > be 
> > > > > > using 
> > > > > > > > at 16 bit print driver/RIP.  I wonder if this has 
> > anything 
> > > to 
> > > > > do 
> > > > > > > with 
> > > > > > > > it. Picture Window automatically converts to 8 bit 
> before 
> > > > > sending 
> > > > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > the driver. I know this happens in Photoshop some 
were 
> > down 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > line 
> > > > > > > > while printing.  I've converted to eight bit before 
> > > printing 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > > > Photoshop as well, same output. The digitally 
captured 
> > > files 
> > > > I 
> > > > > am 
> > > > > > > > using are in reality 12 bit padded to 16.  I wonder 
if 
> > this 
> > > > has 
> > > > > > > > anything to do with it?  I wonder if the 16 to 8 bit 
> > > > conversion 
> > > > > > > > algorithm is different is some way in Picture 
Window.  
> I 
> > > need 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > > ask 
> > > > > > > > this one to Jonathan Sachs over at Digital Light and 
> > Color. 
> > > I 
> > > > > > > > wouldn't think so though.  Well, at least I have an 
> > option 
> > > > that 
> > > > > > > works 
> > > > > > > > very well.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In 
> > > > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jeffleeg8" 
> > > > > > > > <jeff120749@n...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > What are you settings? I'm us PS7 with the curves 
and 
> > > > > > > > > getting "darkroom" quality prints - great shadow 
> detail 
> > > and 
> > > > > > tonal 
> > > > > > > > > range.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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