Digital BW, The Print

It has been very interesting to read that the MIS Eboni is preferred by so
many BOnly users.  I've done some comparisons (unscientific to be sure) and
find that the Epson standard black gives me a blacker black and a cooler
print than the Eboni.  I also printed BOnly with the Piezography Portfolio
black, and found it a bit cooler than the Eboni, but not what I'm after.
The Epson seems to work best for what I want.

Norm

Norm, side by side when I try both Epson MK and Eboni on all matte
papers the Epson MK is significantly warmer, so much so on some it's
almost like sepia.  Now, this is using my 2200 and Epson's pigment
ink. Could you tell us which printer (perhaps you're comparing Eboni
with Epson dye black?) and which papers you are using?

Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: normsams <normsams@...>
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:38:30 -0700
Subject: [Digital BW] Re:  Ink for Black Only Printing
To: digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com


It has been very interesting to read that the MIS Eboni is preferred by so
many BOnly users.  I've done some comparisons (unscientific to be sure) and
find that the Epson standard black gives me a blacker black and a cooler
print than the Eboni.  I also printed BOnly with the Piezography Portfolio
black, and found it a bit cooler than the Eboni, but not what I'm after.
The Epson seems to work best for what I want.

Norm



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Richard wrote:

<Norm, side by side when I try both Epson MK and Eboni on all matte
papers the Epson MK is significantly warmer, so much so on some it's
almost like sepia. Now, this is using my 2200 and Epson's pigment
ink. Could you tell us which printer (perhaps you're comparing Eboni
with Epson dye black?) and which papers you are using?>

Richard...My printer is an Epson 1280.  The papers I've used for comparison
are Epson Double-Sided Matte and Legion Photo Matte.  Pretty much the same
results, both papers.  Right, I'm using the Epson dye ink.  I'm getting just
the opposite results as you.

Norm

Hello Norm,

>I'm using the Epson dye ink.  

You are comparing apples and oranges.  The dye ink will fade within a
few months.  If all we want is good Dmax and black blacks with no
worry about longevity then we could have all gone home years ago and
lived happily ever after.  

The primary reason for existance for this forum is the search for
solutions for fine art BW printing, which means ink/paper combinations
that _don't_ fade or color shift, with longevity comparable to silver
prints.  

With the current state of the art that means carbon based inks. 
Unfortunately carbon is dark brown, not black, resulting in warm
chocolate colored prints.  As a result, we have all the various
approaches to overcoming that, which you read about here.  Every
system has its strengths and weaknesses.  In spite of being dotty, BO
has enough advantages that lots of people use it.  Eboni happens to
combine the coolest black with the greatest longevity ratings, and
therefore is much preferred by most BO users.

None of the approaches are perfect so people keep improving their
techniques and trying new things.  The result is what you see here. 
If you don't care about longevity then your search is over.  If you
do care, well, join the club.  This is a great place to hang your
hat and keep up with the latest.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@c...> wrote:
 
> The primary reason for existance for this forum is the search for
> solutions for fine art BW printing, which means ink/paper           
> combinations that _don't_ fade or color shift, with longevity      
> comparable to silver prints.  

Well said Clayton and happy BO printing to you.

Cheers,
Andre