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Eboni and compatible papers

2004-07-05 by fredila2

Hi,

I am still learning how to use the Epson 2200 and Eboni ink.

Is there a list somewhere of the compatible papers for this printer 
and ink combination?

Thanks,

Fred Rothenberg

RE: [Digital BW] Eboni and compatible papers

2004-07-05 by Jim Doyle

Hi Fred

If I Were you I would view Clayton Jones Reviews.. Here is his
link..http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
Not real sure how up to date his site is since I know he has been testing a
whole bunch of papers for his next article on B & W printing..

Best of Luck
Jim Doyle

J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
114 Old Orchard Rd.
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-424-8660
http://www.shadesofpaper.com
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  Subject: [Digital BW] Eboni and compatible papers


  Hi,

  I am still learning how to use the Epson 2200 and Eboni ink.

  Is there a list somewhere of the compatible papers for this printer
  and ink combination?

  Thanks,

  Fred Rothenberg



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Re: Eboni and compatible papers

2004-07-06 by Clayton Jones

Hello Fred,

>I am still learning how to use the Epson 2200 and Eboni ink.
>Is there a list somewhere of the compatible papers for this 
>printer and ink combination?

Eboni will work well on any matte paper, but will look a bit different
on each one.  So it's a matter of which you like the best.

You didn't say if you are using BO or not, but with that technique and
Eboni ink a range of tones can be produced with different papers. 
Here is my current list of favorites:

H. White Velvet - very warm
H. Photo Rag - moderate warm
Hawk Mtn Merlin Smooth - slightly warm
Hawk Mtn Condor BW - neutral, looks really black

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Eboni and compatible papers

2004-07-06 by Roger L Sopher

Hi Clayton,

If you haven't tried it, Eboni on Entrada Fine Art Natural (190) looks
pretty neutral (2200, B/O) to me.

Are you using Condor in roll form or as cut sheets?

Roger
Roger L Sopher
rlsopher@...
http:\\deCorrales.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Clayton Jones [mailto:cj@...]
  Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 6:18 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Eboni and compatible papers


  Hello Fred,

  >I am still learning how to use the Epson 2200 and Eboni ink.
  >Is there a list somewhere of the compatible papers for this
  >printer and ink combination?

  Eboni will work well on any matte paper, but will look a bit different
  on each one.  So it's a matter of which you like the best.

  You didn't say if you are using BO or not, but with that technique and
  Eboni ink a range of tones can be produced with different papers.
  Here is my current list of favorites:

  H. White Velvet - very warm
  H. Photo Rag - moderate warm
  Hawk Mtn Merlin Smooth - slightly warm
  Hawk Mtn Condor BW - neutral, looks really black

  Regards,
  Clayton


  Info on black and white digital printing at
  http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm



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Re: Eboni and compatible papers

2004-07-06 by fredila2

Hi Clayton,

Thanks for the info.  Yes, I have been using the Eboni for BO 
printing.  I have also tried it with color.

Think I'll try the Condor BW.

Regards,

Fred

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@c...> wrote:
> Hello Fred,
> 
> >I am still learning how to use the Epson 2200 and Eboni ink.
> >Is there a list somewhere of the compatible papers for this 
> >printer and ink combination?
> 
> Eboni will work well on any matte paper, but will look a bit 
different
> on each one.  So it's a matter of which you like the best.
> 
> You didn't say if you are using BO or not, but with that technique 
and
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> Eboni ink a range of tones can be produced with different papers. 
> Here is my current list of favorites:
> 
> H. White Velvet - very warm
> H. Photo Rag - moderate warm
> Hawk Mtn Merlin Smooth - slightly warm
> Hawk Mtn Condor BW - neutral, looks really black
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

[Digital BW] Re: Eboni and compatible papers

2004-07-06 by Clayton Jones

Hello Roger,

>If you haven't tried it, Eboni on Entrada Fine Art Natural (190)
>looks pretty neutral (2200, B/O) to me.

I was thinking of trying some Entrada BW because I'd heard it was cool
like Condor, but someone said it was similar but with less Dmax so I
never tried it.  But I've heard good things about the Natural version,
so I'd like to give that a try.  Right now I'm piled up with computer
work and my time is severely restricted, but I'll get to it
eventually.  

I'm really loving the results I'm getting with Eboni.  That ink really
opened up a whole new world.  I think the entire history of digital BW
printing can be described as being of two eras: BE and AE (Before
Eboni and After Eboni) <g>.


>Are you using Condor in roll form or as cut sheets?

Using cut sheets.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Eboni and compatible papers

2004-07-06 by Alan.Huntley@cox.net

Clayton,

I just finished testing Entrada Bright White and Natural against several of my regular papers. The BW prints way to cold (blue) for my taste; even at the warmest tint setting in IP. The Natural, however, has now become my favorite paper.

Of course, tinting is certainly in the eye of the beholder but, to my eye, the Entrada Natural prints slightly warm, and seems to have the same base paper color and surface characteristics as Epson Ultrasmooth and PremierArt HotPress. I have found that prints from my Epson 2200, UC inks, IP driver, on Entrada Natural look very close in "color" to the older silver papers that I printed on years ago in the darkroom--Varilour Black, Ilfomar, Ilfobrom, original Zone VI Brilliant, etc. I never liked the bluish tone of, say, Kodak Elite. Different strokes...I guess.

FWIW,
Alan Huntley
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> 
> From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...>
> Date: 2004/07/06 Tue PM 01:35:40 EDT
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Eboni and compatible papers
> 
> Hello Roger,
> 
> >If you haven't tried it, Eboni on Entrada Fine Art Natural (190)
> >looks pretty neutral (2200, B/O) to me.
> 
> I was thinking of trying some Entrada BW because I'd heard it was cool
> like Condor, but someone said it was similar but with less Dmax so I
> never tried it.  But I've heard good things about the Natural version,
> so I'd like to give that a try.  Right now I'm piled up with computer
> work and my time is severely restricted, but I'll get to it
> eventually.  
> 
> I'm really loving the results I'm getting with Eboni.  That ink really
> opened up a whole new world.  I think the entire history of digital BW
> printing can be described as being of two eras: BE and AE (Before
> Eboni and After Eboni) <g>.
> 
> 
> >Are you using Condor in roll form or as cut sheets?
> 
> Using cut sheets.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton

[Digital BW] Re: Eboni and compatible papers

2004-07-07 by Clayton Jones

Hello Alan,

>I just finished testing Entrada Bright White and Natural against
several of my regular papers. The BW prints way to cold (blue) for my
taste; even at the warmest tint setting in IP. The Natural, however,
has now become my favorite paper.

Thanks for the report.  Makes we want to try some of the Natural. 
Have you also tried Condor BW, and if so how did it compare to Entrada
BW?  I had one report saying the Entrada was similar cool but poorer
Dmax.

 
>I have found that prints from my Epson 2200, UC inks, IP driver, on
Entrada Natural look very close in "color" to the older silver papers
that I printed on years ago in the darkroom--Varilour Black, Ilfomar,
Ilfobrom, original Zone VI Brilliant, etc. I never liked the bluish
tone of, say, Kodak Elite. Different strokes...I guess.

Same here.  In my early days I used Oriental Seagull but grew to
prefer slightly warmer.  My favorite was Ilford MGII FB.  I still have
three 250-sheet boxes in my freezer (anybody want to buy it?<g>. 

Today I mostly print on Merlin, as it is just slightly warm, but for
certain prints either Condor for cold or PR for moderate warm.  For
very warm I really like the new H. White Velvet.  It is very much
like Velvet Fine Art in color but without the texture, which I prefer.
It's a nice smooth surface.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

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