Digital BW, The Print

Murray wrote:

>... is there a
>visible difference between prints from the 4 color to 6 color printers
>and Paul Roark's curves? If there is not, then I would prefer to use the
>1160.

The 1280 is probably the best of the bunch.  I can measure the differences,
but most do not see any differences in normal viewing circumstances.  Some
do see the 1160 dots on very close examination.  The 1280, on the other hand
is the smoothest I've measured.

I use the 1160 and find it so good I have no incentive to buy a new printer.
Part of my like for the 4-inker is that it's that much easier to mix new
brews for.  However, even if I was not into mixing inks, I find the quality
so good I have no interest in switching.  The 1160 is a terrific machine, in
my view.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul

I would see the difference then. I am very picky and can easily see the
dots on my color 1160. Would your 1280 curves work on the 1270 as well?
If not, are you going to release 1270 curves? I do not have a 1280, but
a 1270. I am curious as to what most are using with these inks, besides
you. Four or six inks?

Thanks
MZ

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The 1280 is probably the best of the bunch.  I can measure the
differences,
but most do not see any differences in normal viewing circumstances.
Some
do see the 1160 dots on very close examination.  The 1280, on the other
hand
is the smoothest I've measured.

I use the 1160 and find it so good I have no incentive to buy a new
printer.
Part of my like for the 4-inker is that it's that much easier to mix new
brews for.  However, even if I was not into mixing inks, I find the
quality
so good I have no interest in switching.  The 1160 is a terrific
machine, in
my view.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

MZ,

You wrote:

>...I am very picky and can easily see the dots on my color 1160.

Because quads "partition" the inks -- putting only the light ink(s) into the
highlights -- the visibility of dots is far less on a 4-ink printer when it
uses partitioned quads than when it uses color inks.  If you have a
preference for the 1160, it might be worth seeing a sample.

> Would your 1280 curves work on the 1270 as well?

No, the 1270 needs its own curves.

>If not, are you going to release 1270 curves?

The 1270 curves are in draft form, with the PC set getting useable.  I plan
on completing both sets, as there does seem to be demand for them.

>I am curious as to what most are using with these inks, besides
>you. Four or six inks?

I don't know.

Paul

**********************
The 1280 is probably the best of the bunch.  I can measure the
differences,
but most do not see any differences in normal viewing circumstances.
Some
do see the 1160 dots on very close examination.  The 1280, on the other
hand
is the smoothest I've measured.

I use the 1160 and find it so good I have no incentive to buy a new
printer.
Part of my like for the 4-inker is that it's that much easier to mix new
brews for.  However, even if I was not into mixing inks, I find the
quality
so good I have no interest in switching.  The 1160 is a terrific
machine, in
my view.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Murray,

If you go to the "Polls" section of the group homepage you will find 
two running polls. One for printers and one for ink sets. With about 
130 responses the most used ink set is Piezo and the 1160 leads the 
printers. If you go through the printer data you can get a feel for 
how many are on quad and hex printers.

I saw some side-by-side comparison of a 3000 and a 1200 I felt that 
with magnification the dot pattern was definitely less noticeable 
with the 1200 than the 3000. At normal viewing distances the 
difference was not noticeable on matte papers but I could faintly see 
it on glossy paper.

Martin Wesley


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Murray Zaharia" 
<zaharia@t...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> I would see the difference then. I am very picky and can easily see 
the
> dots on my color 1160. Would your 1280 curves work on the 1270 as 
well?
> If not, are you going to release 1270 curves? I do not have a 1280, 
but
> a 1270. I am curious as to what most are using with these inks, 
besides
> you. Four or six inks?
> 
> Thanks
> MZ
> 
> **********************
> The 1280 is probably the best of the bunch.  I can measure the
> differences,
> but most do not see any differences in normal viewing circumstances.
> Some
> do see the 1160 dots on very close examination.  The 1280, on the 
other
> hand
> is the smoothest I've measured.
> 
> I use the 1160 and find it so good I have no incentive to buy a new
> printer.
> Part of my like for the 4-inker is that it's that much easier to 
mix new

> brews for.  However, even if I was not into mixing inks, I find the
> quality
> so good I have no interest in switching.  The 1160 is a terrific
> machine, in
> my view.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Thank you

MZ
============


Murray,

If you go to the "Polls" section of the group homepage you will find 
two running polls. One for printers and one for ink sets. With about 
130 responses the most used ink set is Piezo and the 1160 leads the 
printers. If you go through the printer data you can get a feel for 
how many are on quad and hex printers.

I saw some side-by-side comparison of a 3000 and a 1200 I felt that 
with magnification the dot pattern was definitely less noticeable 
with the 1200 than the 3000. At normal viewing distances the 
difference was not noticeable on matte papers but I could faintly see 
it on glossy paper.

Martin Wesley

1160 4 color printers are Sharper, 6 color printers are smoother, but
just a TINY little bit.

1160's are great with MIS inks and Paul's curves.

Jerry

Murray Zaharia wrote:

> 
> Given that I have these 3 printers sitting here unused, is there a
> visible difference between prints from the 4 color to 6 color printers
> and Paul Roark's curves? If there is not, then I would prefer to use the
> 1160.