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Re: [Digital BW] QTR for Windows - Brilliant - Thanks Roy

Re: [Digital BW] QTR for Windows - Brilliant - Thanks Roy

2004-08-07 by B. Campbell

>I'm about to take delivery of my first MIS inks (UT7).  If, Roy, you
>can soon provide some curves for that inkset too then I'll be in
>printer's heaven.

I'll reveal my ignorance here. I'm not familiar with UT7, I've been using
and happy with MIS VM for several years so I haven't seen a need to change
to UT7, but why do you want to use Roy's RIP with UT7 inks? I thought the
principal reason for having that RIP was to be able to use the Epson color
inks for B&W printing. If you have quadtones, and have the MIS curves, what
does the RIP do for you?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "virtuallygrey" <stephengledhill@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 1:57 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] QTR for Windows - Brilliant - Thanks Roy


First thought and reaction to QTR for Windows . It's brilliant.

Thanks Roy - this was most certainly well worth waiting for.  My $50
will be on its way shortly.

I use XP Home (yes it works - it's not just XP Pro as someone asked)
with a 2100 (I'm in the UK).  I've been only reasonably happy with
the standard B&W output from my 2100 and the Epson driver - but the
edge was taken off by metamerism (yes - it is very definitely
present) and the very cold prints that I got.  Of course I could do
adjustments by converting my greyscale images to RGB but never in a
wholly satisfactory manner.

I installed QTR this afternoon and after a couple of minor hiccups I
produced the first of a series of 10 test prints - "Out of the
Box".  I chose a full range image with deep shadows and fine
highlights.  I've printed different sizes (A4 and A6), all so far on
EEM (it's still known as EAM in the UK), in the four supplied
curves - Cool, Cool Sepia, Sepia and Warm, as well as some blended
curves.  And I've printed some Greyscales to see how smooth the
gradation is.   And .

Every image is better than that produced by the Epson Driver.  Under
a loupe there is no evidence at all of coloured dots - unlike the
Epson Driver that shows them in abundance - no doubt giving rise the
accursed metamerism.  The greyscales are beautifully smooth from 0%
to 100%.  The image shows exceptional detail in the shadows as well
as in the tricky highlight areas.  What more can a printer ask for?

Well perhaps one or two things.  Whilst the maximum black is very
black(!), when viewed under a loupe there is evidence of less than
100% ink coverage - the paper base just shows through reducing the
density to say 99%.  If it were 100% then the blacks would be even
deeper!

I'm sure all of my euphoria is just a statement of the obvious for
the Mac users amongst us.  But for us Wind-ees this is both a
revelation and a revolution.  And to think I was ready to shell out
for ImagePrint.

I'm about to take delivery of my first MIS inks (UT7).  If, Roy, you
can soon provide some curves for that inkset too then I'll be in
printer's heaven.

I've been printing with inks for almost 4 years now.  I started with
Lyson Quad Black, then Piezography, then Ultrachromes, now with QTR
with UT7 to come - and it just keeps getting better all the time.

My hiccup today was when I printed an image that was the correct
printing size at something like 2409 dpi.  It produced a very weird
vertical banded effect.  But previously I'd printed the same image
at 360 dpi with no problem at all.  So I re-sized the image to
360dpi (an exact factor of 1440/2880) and it worked perfectly.  So,
a question - is it necessary to do this for all QTR printed images?
And if so - why?

Onwards and upwards ...

Steve Gledhill
www.virtuallygrey.co.uk




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Re: [Digital BW] QTR for Windows - Brilliant - Thanks Roy

2004-08-08 by virtuallygrey

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B. Campbell" 
<bellis60@v...> wrote:
> >I'm about to take delivery of my first MIS inks (UT7).  If, Roy, 
you
> >can soon provide some curves for that inkset too then I'll be in
> >printer's heaven.
> 
> I'll reveal my ignorance here. I'm not familiar with UT7, I've 
been using
> and happy with MIS VM for several years so I haven't seen a need 
to change
> to UT7, but why do you want to use Roy's RIP with UT7 inks? I 
thought the
> principal reason for having that RIP was to be able to use the 
Epson color
> inks for B&W printing. If you have quadtones, and have the MIS 
curves, what
> does the RIP do for you?
> 

My impatience with Ultrachrome for B&W led me to order UT7.  Two 
days later Roy released QTR for Windows.  My timing wasn't perfect!  
However, I'm keen to see the difference and see where my preference 
lies.  If I get the choice of UT7 with QTR then that's even more 
choice?

Steve Gledhill
www.virtuallygrey.co.uk

Re: [Digital BW] QTR for Windows - Brilliant - Thanks Roy

2004-08-08 by Daniel Staver

After having used UT7 inkset for a long while I tried some prints with 
QTR and the the MIS Archival 7600 inkset in my 2100. This inkset is 
MIS's version of the Ultrachrome inkset, so results will be very similar.

Overall I would say both are very good, but that prints from the UT7 
inkset has smoother midtones and especially highlights due to the 
additional lighter black inks. Even with the paper at arms lenght away 
from your face you can see a little more texture in the Ultrachrome prints.

For ultimate quality I think you might prefer the UT7 inkset. On the 
other hand, using QTR will still get you 96% of the way there if you do 
both color and BW printing and want to use one inkset. Not a bad 
compromise at all.

Also, using QTR with the UT7 inkset will allow you even finer control 
than the curves on just how warm/cool you want the prints to appear and 
just which inks you want to use. You could do some of the same fine 
tuning with the slider controls in the driver, but unless I'm mistaken 
that would be at the expense of adding some additional toner to the 
print which could shorten its lifetime.

Of course, Paul has done a remarkable job with the Epson driver, so you 
might not find using anything else neccessary, but at least the option 
is there if you need it.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no
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> My impatience with Ultrachrome for B&W led me to order UT7.  Two 
> days later Roy released QTR for Windows.  My timing wasn't perfect!  
> However, I'm keen to see the difference and see where my preference 
> lies.  If I get the choice of UT7 with QTR then that's even more 
> choice?

Re: [Digital BW] QTR for Windows - Brilliant - Thanks Roy

2004-08-08 by virtuallygrey

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Staver 
<daniel@p...> wrote:
> After having used UT7 inkset for a long while I tried some prints 
with 
> QTR and the the MIS Archival 7600 inkset in my 2100. This inkset 
is 
> MIS's version of the Ultrachrome inkset, so results will be very 
similar.
> 
> Overall I would say both are very good, but that prints from the 
UT7 
> inkset has smoother midtones and especially highlights due to the 
> additional lighter black inks. Even with the paper at arms lenght 
away 
> from your face you can see a little more texture in the 
Ultrachrome prints.
> 
> For ultimate quality I think you might prefer the UT7 inkset. On 
the 
> other hand, using QTR will still get you 96% of the way there if 
you do 
> both color and BW printing and want to use one inkset. Not a bad 
> compromise at all.
> 
> Also, using QTR with the UT7 inkset will allow you even finer 
control 
> than the curves on just how warm/cool you want the prints to 
appear and 
> just which inks you want to use. You could do some of the same 
fine 
> tuning with the slider controls in the driver, but unless I'm 
mistaken 
> that would be at the expense of adding some additional toner to 
the 
> print which could shorten its lifetime.
> 
> Of course, Paul has done a remarkable job with the Epson driver, 
so you 
> might not find using anything else neccessary, but at least the 
option 
> is there if you need it.
> 

Thanks for your encouragement.  I'll report back at a later date 
when I've got the inks and I've got something to say.  It'll be 
weeks rather than days though ...

Steve Gledhill
www.virtuallygrey.co.uk

> --
> Daniel Staver
> http://daniel.staver.no
> 
> > My impatience with Ultrachrome for B&W led me to order UT7.  Two 
> > days later Roy released QTR for Windows.  My timing wasn't 
perfect!  
> > However, I'm keen to see the difference and see where my 
preference 
> > lies.  If I get the choice of UT7 with QTR then that's even more 
> > choice?

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