Digital BW, The Print

I haven't read any of the posts recently about QTR for Windows b/c I'm on a 
Mac.  I must have therefore missed the initial announcement of this "QTRgui" 
application.  I have some questions about QTRgui and the current iteration of 
QTR itself that hopefully someone can answer.

(1) QTRgui is a Windows-only application, yes?  If so, any indications of future 
development for the Mac?

(2) I assume that the "gui" in the name stands for "Graphical User Interface."  
Does that mean that, when you open an image in QTRgui and apply a QTR 
curve, it shows the tonal effect of different curves?  In other words, if you're 
using QTR via QTRgui and select the "warm" curve, does the image on 
screen change to reflect the warm selection?  If so, I really want it for the Mac.

(3)  Does the development of QTRgui mean that QTR now has some of the 
functions like ImagePrint has, e.g., the ability to lay out multiple images  
visually on a page; bypassing the Epson print driver to be able to print longer 
than 90 inches?  I guess what I'm asking here, since I can't try a QTRgui 
demo, is what exactly does it do?  No offense, but the info on the webpage for 
it doesn't tell me much: "QTRgui is a front end to Roy Harrington's Quad Tone 
RIP for Windows."  And all the questions posted about it here are by people 
already using it, so they kinda already know basically what it does.

(4) Re: QTR itself: any further info on support for the Epson 4000 yet?  I ask b/
c I have a 9600 and a 4000, and already have ImagePrint for the 9600, but 
not the 4000.  (I also have QTR for the 9600, but not the 4000 since QTR 
didn't work for the 4000 when last I checked).

(5) Also re: QTR itself, Roy's intro page indicates that "QuadToneRIP now 
supports the 21/2200 and 76/9600 printers with Epson UltraChrome Inks. The 
profiles provide metamerism-free Black & White printing with a full range of 
tones from cool to neutral to warm and sepia."  When I just downloaded the 
76/9600 profiles, I don't see a "neutral" curve -- rather, I see the same "Cool", 
"CoolSe" and "Warm" curves that I already have installed  I understand that 
many people are combining curves to get a "neutral" print, but I have never 
been able to come up with a curve combo that looks neutral to me -- I get 
beautiful warm, cool, or selenium tones, but not neutral.  I'm NOT knocking 
QTR, but it would be nice if there is indeed now a standard "neutral" curve.

Sorry for all the questions.  Thanks!

(1) Windows only. I was under the impression that the MAC implementation of
QuadToneRIP was graphical. Anyway, no plans for a MAC version.

(2) Sorry, all it does is what the MAC print driver does. (At least what I
assume the MAC print driver does, I haven't seen it.) It just packages up
the commands to run the Windows version of QuadToneRIP.

(3) No, we on the PC use Qimage for layouts.



-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chipcarterdc [mailto:chipcarterdc@...] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 1:27 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Many questions regarding QuadTone RIP and QTRgui
> 
> 
> (1) QTRgui is a Windows-only application, yes?  If so, any 
> indications of future 
> development for the Mac?
> 
> (2) I assume that the "gui" in the name stands for "Graphical 
> User Interface."  
> Does that mean that, when you open an image in QTRgui and apply a QTR 
> curve, it shows the tonal effect of different curves?  In 
> other words, if you're 
> using QTR via QTRgui and select the "warm" curve, does the image on 
> screen change to reflect the warm selection?  If so, I really 
> want it for the Mac.
> 
> (3)  Does the development of QTRgui mean that QTR now has some of the 
> functions like ImagePrint has, e.g., the ability to lay out 
> multiple images  
> visually on a page; bypassing the Epson print driver to be 
> able to print longer 
> than 90 inches?  I guess what I'm asking here, since I can't 
> try a QTRgui 
> demo, is what exactly does it do?  No offense, but the info 
> on the webpage for 
> it doesn't tell me much: "QTRgui is a front end to Roy 
> Harrington's Quad Tone 
> RIP for Windows."  And all the questions posted about it here 
> are by people 
> already using it, so they kinda already know basically what it does.
> 
> (4) Re: QTR itself: any further info on support for the Epson 
> 4000 yet?  I ask b/ c I have a 9600 and a 4000, and already 
> have ImagePrint for the 9600, but 
> not the 4000.  (I also have QTR for the 9600, but not the 
> 4000 since QTR 
> didn't work for the 4000 when last I checked).
> 
> (5) Also re: QTR itself, Roy's intro page indicates that 
> "QuadToneRIP now 
> supports the 21/2200 and 76/9600 printers with Epson 
> UltraChrome Inks. The 
> profiles provide metamerism-free Black & White printing with 
> a full range of 
> tones from cool to neutral to warm and sepia."  When I just 
> downloaded the 
> 76/9600 profiles, I don't see a "neutral" curve -- rather, I 
> see the same "Cool", 
> "CoolSe" and "Warm" curves that I already have installed  I 
> understand that 
> many people are combining curves to get a "neutral" print, 
> but I have never 
> been able to come up with a curve combo that looks neutral to 
> me -- I get 
> beautiful warm, cool, or selenium tones, but not neutral.  
> I'm NOT knocking 
> QTR, but it would be nice if there is indeed now a standard 
> "neutral" curve.
> 
> Sorry for all the questions.  Thanks!
> 
>

--- "chipcarterdc" <chipcarterdc@h...> wrote:
> I have some questions about QTRgui and the current iteration of 
> QTR itself that hopefully someone can answer.


I'm not an expert nor the developer of QTR or the QTRGui, but I can 
answer some of these based on my experiences in the past week with 
both QR and the Gui.

> (1) QTRgui is a Windows-only application, yes?  If so, any 
indications of future development for the Mac?

Yes, and no comment. 

 
> (2) I assume that the "gui" in the name stands for "Graphical User 
Interface."  
> Does that mean that, when you open an image in QTRgui and apply a 
QTR 
> curve, it shows the tonal effect of different curves?  In other 
words, if you're 
> using QTR via QTRgui and select the "warm" curve, does the image on 
> screen change to reflect the warm selection?  


No. It means you get to make prints via a user-friendly intuitive 
interface versus having to manually edit text files. I certainly dont 
have the skills, time, or experience to manually alter complicated 
appearing .bat files. Were it not for Stephen Billard's Gui, I would 
likely pass on QTR. 



> (3)  Does the development of QTRgui mean that QTR now has some of 
the 
> functions like ImagePrint has, e.g., the ability to lay out 
multiple images  
> visually on a page; bypassing the Epson print driver to be able to 
print longer 
> than 90 inches? 


NO. See my answer to number 2. That's what you get. 

 
> (4) Re: QTR itself: any further info on support for the Epson 4000 
yet? 


No comment. 


> (5) Also re: QTR itself, Roy's intro page indicates 
that "QuadToneRIP now 
> supports the 21/2200 and 76/9600 printers with Epson UltraChrome 
Inks. The 
> profiles provide metamerism-free Black & White printing with a full 
range of 
> tones from cool to neutral to warm and sepia." .... QTR, but it 
would be nice if there is indeed now a standard "neutral" curve.


IMO, the curve billed as 'nuetral' is definitely not nuetral to my 
eyes. Since this isn't 'traditional' wet printmaking, I've never seen 
the need to emulate a traditional b/w print. I'm thankful for the QT 
curves and the ability to blend them to achieve unique non-
traditional appearances with my prints (more like platinum).

Michael
www.mgordonphotography.com

<chipcarterdc@h...> wrote:
> (2) I assume that the "gui" in the name stands for "Graphical User Interface."  
> Does that mean that, when you open an image in QTRgui and apply a QTR 
> curve, it shows the tonal effect of different curves?  In other words, if you're 
> using QTR via QTRgui and select the "warm" curve, does the image on 
> screen change to reflect the warm selection?  If so, I really want it for the Mac.

Chip,

I'm on Mac also. You can soft-proof images in Photoshop. Go to this page and download 
"1270-UT2-proof"

Open the folder and double-click the install icon.

Thanks for all your responses.