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Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-13 by virtuallygrey

There are several good reasons why you might want to spray an ink 
print, for example:

- hide bronzing,
- protect the surface from fingerprints, etc,
- add some waterproofing,
- protect from harmful UV,
- increase longevity,
- ... and perhaps others too.

Should I take on trust that the chemicals sprayed on (e.g. Lyson 
Print Guard) are actually totally harmless to the print?  Am I being 
naive?  It does hide bronzing - I can see that; it does provide some 
waterproofing - I've check that; but surely the solvents and 
whatever other stuff is in the spray will interact in some harmful 
way over a longer period of time.  Does anyone know of any science 
to support the "harmless"?

The reason for the question is that I like the idea of what the 
spray achieves and am considering it's use on certain papers - 
PermaJet Oyster - to hide bronzing) and on prints for sale on 
Hahnemuhle PhotoRag and PermaJet Alpha and Omega.  But once sprayed -
 it's permanent.  Just how risky is this?

I've seen reference to spray being used on glossy and matte, coated 
and uncoated papers with dye and pigment inks.  Can one spray really 
be ok for all of these combinations?

Any contribution to either put my mind at rest, or frighten me off 
using them would be appreciated.

[I've tried searching this group but I'm sure I've not been able to 
find some of the previous references that I've seen to spraying.] 

Steve
http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk

Re: Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-13 by virtuallygrey

Adding to my previous post:

The reason for my concern about spraying ink prints is based on my 
experience of almost 30 years silver printing world (where I worked 
for Ilford in Mobberley for 12 of them).  Maximum archival 
permanence for a silver print is achieved through meticulous care 
with the processing chemicals followed by thorough washing of the 
print (putting it simply).  In effect all residual chemicals are 
washed out then nothing else is added to the final print.  No 
sprays, no nothing.

So to take a final ink print then spray some chemical stuff over it 
seems counter intuitive when considering its archival properties.

Steve Gledhill
http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk

RE: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-13 by Paul Roark

Steve,

>There are several good reasons why you might want to spray an ink 
>print, for example:

>- hide bronzing,

PremierArt Print Shield and Lyson Print Guard do a good job with this.  Some
sprays do not do as well, for example Lascaux, which I use for matte papers.

>- protect the surface from fingerprints, etc,

Yes.  Most will do this.

>- add some waterproofing,

True for the glossy prints, but the matte prints need a thicker coating to
be waterproof. 

>- protect from harmful UV,

It's debatable whether this is very relevant indoors.  By the time I saw
significant benefits from the UV additives in my fluorescent light fade
testing of MIS pigments, there was also some yellowing.  I concluded it was
not worth it for indoor display and MIS pigments.  (UltraChromes may be
different.)

>- increase longevity,

Questionable.  In some tests the prints do worse when sprayed.  Usually my
fade tests don't show a lot of difference.  

The worst old photos I see, however, were primarily damaged by physical
abuse, and unsprayed or un-glazed inkjet prints may be even more susceptible
to physical damage than the traditional silver prints.  So, one has to
balance the various ways in which the print may be damaged.

I would really like to see some accelerated aging tests on coatings and
sprays.

>Should I take on trust that the chemicals sprayed on (e.g. Lyson 
>Print Guard) are actually totally harmless to the print?

No, I don't think so.

I like the fact that PremierArt has been tested by Wilhelm.  So, it's the
one I use for glossy prints, but I still am not 100% convinced it is
harmless.

For matte prints I'm using Lascaux Fixativ. (Art stores have this.  In the
U.S., Dick Blick is a source.  PermaJet is exploring this or a similar B72
approach.)

Like I said, I like to see at least some evidence that the product has been
tested.  The Rohm & Haas B72 formula used in Lascaux is probably the most
tested and accepted in the conservation industry.  For example, Ross
Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the National Gallery of Art, Washington
D.C. (USA), in a 1997 speech regarding pastel conservation said as follows
regarding fixatives:

"Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish B72 is
used by conservators.  [Krylon no longer makes this.  Now Lascaux is the
only B72 spray I know of.] This product will remain unchanged for 400 years,
but does have a tendency to saturate the surface.  [I'm not sure what he
means here.  Lascaux spray goes on very well.]  Grumbacher B77 varnish or
"tough film" is the same as B72, but will not saturate.  [The nozzle on the
Tuffilm  spray can is not very good.]" See
http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html 

This does not, of course, mean that the print will last as long under a
coating as it would without the coating, or that the particular solvent used
didn't do some damage before it evaporated.  I found that the Tate has used
B72 on famous old paintings, so they trust it.

>... But once sprayed -  it's permanent. 

Conservators like the B72 and similar ones because they are removable with a
solvent.  The water-borne coatings are not removable.

>Just how risky is this?

We'll only know a hundred years from now.  However, all glossy prints except
perhaps those on Epson Premium Glossy, Semigloss, Luster and Semimatte
papers will have been ruined by the acidic paper backing anyway.  A Premium
Semigloss sprayed with PremierArt did extremely well in one of my fade
tests.  Lyson Print Guard looks to be the same as PremierArt, but Premier
Imaging denies this.   

For the matte papers, the dmax reduction for most sprays is depressing.
Lascaux is among the best in this respect and is, at least by itself,
stable.  So, where a matte print is liable to be ruined by abrasion or
finger prints, I spray it with Lascaux, under the assumption that physical
damage is more likely than damage by the spray.

There are no guarantees here.  My gallery sales are un-sprayed, but they are
framed and glazed.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-13 by Nick Nugent

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   Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:17:32 -0700
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   From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: Spraying Ink Prints

> For the matte papers, the dmax reduction for most sprays is depressing. Lascaux is
> among the best in this respect and is, at least by itself, stable.  So, where a matte 
> print is liable to be ruined by abrasion or finger prints, I spray it with Lascaux, under the
> assumption that physical damage is more likely than damage by the spray.

I kept looking at the Lascaux spray bottle at the art store but wasn't sure if it was the right thing to use. I'll definitely get one today to try for myself. Currently my "almost" final technique is to spray an isolation coat using a water borne acrylic layer, an additional very thin brush-on coat of glossy polymer varnish for maximum dmax, and then spray a final coat of Golden mineral spirit aerosol satin varnish. The end result is the print on Hahnemuhle Photo Rag looks almost as if it is not coated at all, like you get the original velvet feel without any surface reflection. Dmax reduction is very little if any, and the print is now impervious to average handling.

However I will try the Lascaux spray to see if it can replace my current process.

Thanks,
--nick




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Re: Spraying Ink Prints . .the flip side . .

2004-09-13 by lulalake_1999

Good and appreciated  discussion about spraying the image side of the 
print but . . is it wise to seal the back also? 

Not with the dmax enhancing techniques of course but to stop 
absorption of other nasties like moisture, lignin and whatnot?

Thanks

Jules

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Spraying Ink Prints . .the flip side . .

2004-09-13 by Paul Roark

Jules,

>Good and appreciated  discussion about spraying the image side of the 
>print but . . is it wise to seal the back also? 

>Not with the dmax enhancing techniques of course but to stop 
>absorption of other nasties like moisture, lignin and whatnot?

The answer to this is likely to depend on the paper and probably other
factors.  

For papers like Epson Enhanced Matte that have acids in them, the more they
can breathe the better.  Much of the acid will escape into the air.  I've
read library conservation information that indicates old books with acidic
materials in them can deteriorate up to 10 times as fast if they are sealed
in a container or encapsulated so that the acids cannot escape.  (For
framing EEM it's probably best to use highly buffered matte boards.)

For cotton papers protecting the image and paper from airborne oxidizers and
pollution seems like it could be beneficial.  However, I've wondered about
the slow evaporation of the non-water components in the inkjet fluids.  This
is what causes the fogging of glossy prints.  With cellulose papers, most of
those other substances seem to latch onto the cellulose and just stay there.
At any rate, I can imagine that there may be arguments that the paper should
be allowed to breathe. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: Spraying Ink Prints . .the flip side . .

2004-09-14 by lulalake_1999

Thanks for your reply Paul,

That makes sense, as you usually do.

Cheers

Jules

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Jules,
> 
> >Good and appreciated  discussion about spraying the image side of 
the 
> >print but . . is it wise to seal the back also? 
> 
> >Not with the dmax enhancing techniques of course but to stop 
> >absorption of other nasties like moisture, lignin and whatnot?
> 
> The answer to this is likely to depend on the paper and probably 
other
> factors.  
> 
> For papers like Epson Enhanced Matte that have acids in them, the 
more they
> can breathe the better.  Much of the acid will escape into the 
air.  I've
> read library conservation information that indicates old books with 
acidic
> materials in them can deteriorate up to 10 times as fast if they 
are sealed
> in a container or encapsulated so that the acids cannot escape.  
(For
> framing EEM it's probably best to use highly buffered matte boards.)
> 
> For cotton papers protecting the image and paper from airborne 
oxidizers and
> pollution seems like it could be beneficial.  However, I've 
wondered about
> the slow evaporation of the non-water components in the inkjet 
fluids.  This
> is what causes the fogging of glossy prints.  With cellulose 
papers, most of
> those other substances seem to latch onto the cellulose and just 
stay there.
> At any rate, I can imagine that there may be arguments that the 
paper should
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> be allowed to breathe. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: Spraying Ink Prints . .the flip side . .

2004-09-14 by john dean

Be sure to let rc coated media, like Premium Luster, etc, cure overnight at least before 
spraying. If you spray or frame these prints behind glass soon after printing they will 
definitely fog badly. I have had this happen. But after drying overnight they are always fine 
when sprayed.

Re: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-14 by virtuallygrey

Paul,

Thanks for your full and helpful reply.

Your reference to what the various conservation bodies have done or 
are doing is encouraging.  Particularly if the Tate uses B72 on Old 
Masters – who am I to worry!

I think for now I'll just be using it on glossy – for the anti-
bronzing.

I would like the added protection for my matte prints. I've not 
heard about the B72 before.  I'll see if it's available as Lascaux 
here in the UK.  Presumably if PermaJet start doing it then it will 
be.

Steve Gledhill
http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk

Re: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-14 by Steve Kale

It's available in the UK as Lascaux.  I bought a bunch of cans but
unfortunately do not recall where I got them from (it was an online store).
Just do not order the Permajet spray.
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> From: virtuallygrey <stephengledhill@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:18:19 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Thanks for your full and helpful reply.

> I would like the added protection for my matte prints. I've not
> heard about the B72 before.  I'll see if it's available as Lascaux
> here in the UK.  Presumably if PermaJet start doing it then it will
> be.
> 
> Steve Gledhill
> http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk
>

[Digital BW] Re: Spraying Ink Prints . .the flip side . .

2004-09-14 by borden_jonathan

Paul Roark wrote:

> 
> For cotton papers protecting the image and paper from airborne 
oxidizers and
> pollution seems like it could be beneficial.  However, I've 
wondered about
> the slow evaporation of the non-water components in the inkjet 
fluids.  This
> is what causes the fogging of glossy prints.  With cellulose 
papers, most of
> those other substances seem to latch onto the cellulose and just 
stay there.
> At any rate, I can imagine that there may be arguments that the 
paper should
> be allowed to breathe. 
> 
In the traditional photo world, there has been some work done 
embedding compounds in the mat board that suck up pollutants etc. see:
http://www.superiorarchivalmats.com and also Michael Smith's article 
which can be found at http://www.michaelandpaula.com under "writings".

This "artcare" stuff easy to find as it is now sold by Bainbridge.

Has anyone studied this with inkjet prints?

Jonathan

Re: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-23 by Dan Marder

I like PriemierArt to eliminate bronzing and gloss differential, but 
the stuff is noxious!  Any suggestions regarding appropriate safety 
precautions - e.g., what sort of mask to wear?  Also, anything about 
minimum ambient  temperature for spraying (I'm in cold-winter country, 
and certainly wouldn't do it inside).

Dan
On Sep 13, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

>  >- hide bronzing,
>
>  PremierArt Print Shield and Lyson Print Guard do a good job with 
> this.  Some
>  sprays do not do as well, for example Lascaux, which I use for matte 
> papers.
>


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RE: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-23 by Paul Roark

Hardware or paint stores should have appropriate goggles and respirators for
aerosol sprays.  There are apparently different respirators for different
types of problems.  And, of course, the area should be well vented.

(I personally just use an open, cross-ventilated garage, with the prints
hanging on a clothes line, weighted at the bottom to hold them still.  I
just don’t breathe while spraying and drying with a hair drier between
sprays.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Marder [mailto:dmarder@...] 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:19 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

I like PriemierArt to eliminate bronzing and gloss differential, but 
the stuff is noxious!  Any suggestions regarding appropriate safety 
precautions - e.g., what sort of mask to wear?  Also, anything about 
minimum ambient  temperature for spraying (I'm in cold-winter country, 
and certainly wouldn't do it inside).

Dan
On Sep 13, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

>  >- hide bronzing,
>
>  PremierArt Print Shield and Lyson Print Guard do a good job with 
> this.  Some
>  sprays do not do as well, for example Lascaux, which I use for matte 
> papers.
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-23 by Glenn Barry

Not unless you want to have an out of body experience and view your 
prints from somewhere near the ceiling

<<snip
That being said I never spray indoors.
  snip>>

Re: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-23 by Todd Morton

Email the company to get an MSDS sheet. It will tell you what is in it and
what precations you should take. Actually PrintShield is not bad at all.
In fact I think it as good as it gets for these types of sprays. Many
others have toulene (sp?) which is real bad stuff (cancer, birth defects).
I've tried several and PrintShield not only gives me the best results, it
is the least toxic (of the ones I tried). That being said I never spray
indoors.

-Todd Morton
 Bellingham, WA
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Dan Marder wrote:

> I like PriemierArt to eliminate bronzing and gloss differential, but
> the stuff is noxious!  Any suggestions regarding appropriate safety
> precautions - e.g., what sort of mask to wear?  Also, anything about
> minimum ambient  temperature for spraying (I'm in cold-winter country,
> and certainly wouldn't do it inside).
>
> Dan
> On Sep 13, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
>
> >  >- hide bronzing,
> >
> >  PremierArt Print Shield and Lyson Print Guard do a good job with
> > this.  Some
> >  sprays do not do as well, for example Lascaux, which I use for matte
> > papers.
> >
>

RE: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-23 by The Wogster

On 23 Sep 2004 at 7:56, Paul Roark wrote:

> Hardware or paint stores should have appropriate goggles and respirators for
> aerosol sprays.  There are apparently different respirators for different
> types of problems.  And, of course, the area should be well vented.
> 
> (I personally just use an open, cross-ventilated garage, with the prints
> hanging on a clothes line, weighted at the bottom to hold them still.  I
> just don’t breathe while spraying and drying with a hair drier between
> sprays.)
> 

Well ventilated can mean different things, based on where you are, and what time 
of year it is, for example in most parts of Canada, a well ventilated garage in 
January is running between -5C and -40C  and your spray is likely to freeze before 
drying.  Most people prefer to shoot in the summer, and spend the winter preparing 
their prints, so a non-toxic or low toxicity spray works better here.  With fume rooms 
it was perfect, you could spend the winter in a nice cozy darkroom......  A detached 
garage, with one of those oil or propane fired heaters might work, but not with an 
attached (part of the house) garage......

W

Re: Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-23 by jgittins2002

A standard rubber respirator-mask fitted out with 
'Organic Vapor' cartridges removes the toxics 
(xylene in Lascaux Fixativ, ether in others) 
very well. Replace the cartridges when you start 
to smell the bad stuff again. Mask and carts are 
available at hardware stores, Home Depot, etc.
I'd add that having the mask AND ventilation is 
best.
John  
  
 
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Todd Morton 
<toddm@e...> wrote:
> 
> Email the company to get an MSDS sheet. It will tell you what is in 
it and
> what precations you should take. Actually PrintShield is not bad at 
all.
> In fact I think it as good as it gets for these types of sprays. 
Many
> others have toulene (sp?) which is real bad stuff (cancer, birth 
defects).
> I've tried several and PrintShield not only gives me the best 
results, it
> is the least toxic (of the ones I tried). That being said I never 
spray
> indoors.
> 
> -Todd Morton
>  Bellingham, WA
> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Dan Marder wrote:
> 
> > I like PriemierArt to eliminate bronzing and gloss differential, 
but
> > the stuff is noxious!  Any suggestions regarding appropriate 
safety
> > precautions - e.g., what sort of mask to wear?  Also, anything 
about
> > minimum ambient  temperature for spraying (I'm in cold-winter 
country,
> > and certainly wouldn't do it inside).
> >
> > Dan
> > On Sep 13, 2004, at 12:17 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
> >
> > >  >- hide bronzing,
> > >
> > >  PremierArt Print Shield and Lyson Print Guard do a good job 
with
> > > this.  Some
> > >  sprays do not do as well, for example Lascaux, which I use for 
matte
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> > > papers.
> > >
> >

Re: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-23 by lulalake_1999

Hi Paul,

I just started using Lascaux Wow. Great stuff for matte, but nasty. I 
have a chemical respirator mask, the type with two replaceable cans, 
as I used to do a bit of fiberglassing and used it a lot. These masks 
are so powerful that you can put a cup of vinegar in front of it and 
not smell the vinegar a bit.

Jules


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Hardware or paint stores should have appropriate goggles and 
respirators for
> aerosol sprays.  There are apparently different respirators for 
different
> types of problems.  And, of course, the area should be well vented.
> 
> (I personally just use an open, cross-ventilated garage, with the 
prints
> hanging on a clothes line, weighted at the bottom to hold them 
still.  I
> just don't breathe while spraying and drying with a hair drier 
between
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> sprays.)
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
>

Re: [Digital BW] Spraying Ink Prints

2004-09-23 by Douglas Meeuwsen

If you think the premierArt is bad, dont ever use the krylon stuff. 
Whooo-Wheeeee.........it will gas out the whole house if you spray one 
print in the garage. By comparison the print shield is tame. You may 
try holding the can a little closer to the print to get less 
over-spray. That may be why it's bothering you a lot. Getting it the 
best distance is tricky, Always start spraying to the side of the work, 
so that a blob doesnt land on the print, and get close and move quick 
and smoothly. work up from the bottom.

Lascaux Spray Longevity?

2004-09-23 by john dean

I use the Premier Art and Lyson Printguard spray a lot for Epson 10K pigment color prints. 
I have noticed a slight reduction in dmax but only with carbon pigment inks and for me 
even for most of them it isn't really noticable unless there are large area of pure black. But 
I am new to carbon mono printing.

However, I am considering a trial of Lascaux for my monochrome prints. Does anyone 
have any permanence data about this spray, or if there is any chance it may yellow or 
change color over the long haul? I like using sprays for both scuff protection as well as 
sealing the print from environmental contaminants.

Also I use a mask ( Home Depot variety) for spraying that has two charcoal filters that 
should be changed regularly. It is also important to wear goggles or glasses to block the 
fumes from entering the eyes. If you do a lot of spraying it could do serious damage to 
your retinas if this stuff is absorbed into your eyes. I also do it in the carport where there 
is plenty of ventilaton, but then again I'm in Atlanta and have pretty good conditions for 
this.

Thanks,

John



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999" 
<lulalake_1999@y...> wrote:
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> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> I just started using Lascaux Wow. Great stuff for matte, but nasty. I 
> have a chemical respirator mask, the type with two replaceable cans, 
> as I used to do a bit of fiberglassing and used it a lot. These masks 
> are so powerful that you can put a cup of vinegar in front of it and 
> not smell the vinegar a bit.
> 
> Jules
>

RE: [Digital BW] Lascaux Spray Longevity?

2004-09-23 by Paul Roark

John,

>... I am considering a trial of Lascaux for my monochrome prints. 
>Does anyone have any permanence data about this spray, or if there 
>is any chance it may yellow or change color over the long haul? ...

B72 is very well know in the conservation field, and seems to be trusted to
be archival and non-yellowing.  I have read that the Tate has used in on old
masters to protect them.

Ross Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the National Gallery of Art,
Washington D.C. (USA), in a 1997 speech regarding pastel conservation said
as follows regarding fixatives:

"Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish B72 is
used by conservators. This product will remain unchanged for 400 years, but
does have a tendency to saturate the surface. Grumbacher B77 varnish or
"tough film" is the same as B72, but will not saturate. Krylon workable
fixative and Sennelier fixative are both good products. One should stay away
from Grumbacher's "blue label" fixative." See
<http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html>

Lascaux Fixativ is B72.  See
http://www.lascaux.ch/english/restauro/pdf/7103_02.pdf  This is the only B72
aerosol spray I know of.  Krylon no longer makes the B72 formula spray.

I used the Grumbacher Tuffilm for a while, but the nozzle is not as good as
the Lascaux nozzle.

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: Lascaux Spray Longevity?

2004-09-23 by johnglodge

You will not get UV protection but that can be added after Fixativ.

I do not see any change in density.

I like Lascaux, it is easy to apply, soaks in well and leaves barely 
a trace of its existence. I have tried some others, not the ones you 
mentioned and they were disgusting, really a pain to get an even 
coat, and it was a coat that was noticeable.

The old Sennelier Paris catalog called it "the Swiss army knife of 
fixatives"

...John

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
<deanwork2003@y...> wrote:
> I use the Premier Art and Lyson Printguard spray a lot for Epson 
10K pigment color prints. 
> I have noticed a slight reduction in dmax but only with carbon 
pigment inks and for me 
> even for most of them it isn't really noticable unless there are 
large area of pure black. But 
> I am new to carbon mono printing.
> 
> However, I am considering a trial of Lascaux for my monochrome 
prints. Does anyone 
> have any permanence data about this spray, or if there is any 
chance it may yellow or 
> change color over the long haul? I like using sprays for both 
scuff protection as well as 
> sealing the print from environmental contaminants.
> 
> Also I use a mask ( Home Depot variety) for spraying that has two 
charcoal filters that 
> should be changed regularly. It is also important to wear goggles 
or glasses to block the 
> fumes from entering the eyes. If you do a lot of spraying it could 
do serious damage to 
> your retinas if this stuff is absorbed into your eyes. I also do 
it in the carport where there 
> is plenty of ventilaton, but then again I'm in Atlanta and have 
pretty good conditions for 
> this.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999" 
> <lulalake_1999@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Paul,
> > 
> > I just started using Lascaux Wow. Great stuff for matte, but 
nasty. I 
> > have a chemical respirator mask, the type with two replaceable 
cans, 
> > as I used to do a bit of fiberglassing and used it a lot. These 
masks 
> > are so powerful that you can put a cup of vinegar in front of it 
and 
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> > not smell the vinegar a bit.
> > 
> > Jules
> >

Thanks Paul re: Lascaux Spray Longevity?

2004-09-24 by john dean

Thanks Paul! My prints are good buy certainly not of the status of Old Masters. I will try it 
out, if you are using it that's good news for me. I don't like the hassle of spraying but all of 
these inkjet prints skuff so easily in the blacks that I feel it is important to protect them for 
my clients. It seem to me the best papers skuff the worst.

john dean

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