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2004-09-16 by jcohen17_1999
I have an epson 2200 which i would like to start doing some black and white on. i am very new to the idea of black and white in digital and would like to know if there is some book or educational material to get started. from what i read on this thread it seems very complex and expensive. i am an amateur and only doing this for personal pleasure. i also have an HP 7960 printer which i guess is suppose to be able to print b & w. thanks joel
2004-09-16 by Paul D. DeRocco
Printing B&W is only expensive if you're seeking absolute perfection. However, you can get good results with what you've got. Printing in black only mode works fine, with the limitation that the result has a slight warm cast and is a bit grainier than using color inks. Printing B&W in color mode works reasonably well if you use the latest profiles downloadable from Epson's web site, although the grayscale isn't absolutely neutral at all levels, and does exhibit a little metamerism under different lighting. There is a lot of good info in the archives of this group, although there's a lot of noise to wade through as well. Probably the most important thing to investigate initially is the many ways of converting color to B&W. How you do that will have more effect on your final output than the techniques or tools you use to do the actual printing. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@...
2004-09-17 by Clayton Jones
Hello Joel, >I have an epson 2200 which i would like to start doing some black and >white on. i am very new to the idea of black and white in digital and >would like to know if there is some book or educational material to >get started. from what i read on this thread it seems very complex >and expensive. i am an amateur and only doing this for personal >pleasure. It can be complex and expensive but it doesn't have to be. One of the best ways to get started is both easy and inexpensive. Black Only (BO) printing uses just the black ink and doesn't require partition curves or paper profiles. With no extra expense you can get started right away and begin your journey up the learning curve. As you gain some experience and learn more you can try other systems whenever you feel ready. There is good information about BO printing in a series of articles on the web site link below. It has step-by-step instructions on how to get started. If you don't mind spending a small amount of money, get an Eboni black ink cartridge from MIS. It will give superior results (this is discussed in the articles). Good luck and welcome to the forum. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
2004-09-17 by Janus Javier
Clayton, I've just ordered the new MIS UT2 complete cartridge inkset for my 1280. This will be my first foray into quad/hex tone printing. I've only done BO previously. One question though, I'd like to go back and forth between the quad/hex using the UT2 and BO printing. I will be using EEM. To do the BO, I was assuming that I would just use the Eboni catrdige that comes with the UT2 inkset. You mention in your website that there is a special Eboni required to do BO printing. Did I get this right? If I want to do BO with this set up, do I have to buy a different Eboni cartridge? Thanks. Janus Clayton Jones <cj@...> wrote: Hello Joel, >I have an epson 2200 which i would like to start doing some black and >white on. i am very new to the idea of black and white in digital and >would like to know if there is some book or educational material to >get started. from what i read on this thread it seems very complex >and expensive. i am an amateur and only doing this for personal >pleasure. It can be complex and expensive but it doesn't have to be. One of the best ways to get started is both easy and inexpensive. Black Only (BO) printing uses just the black ink and doesn't require partition curves or paper profiles. With no extra expense you can get started right away and begin your journey up the learning curve. As you gain some experience and learn more you can try other systems whenever you feel ready. There is good information about BO printing in a series of articles on the web site link below. It has step-by-step instructions on how to get started. If you don't mind spending a small amount of money, get an Eboni black ink cartridge from MIS. It will give superior results (this is discussed in the articles). Good luck and welcome to the forum. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-09-17 by Clayton Jones
Hello Janus, > I've just ordered the new MIS UT2 complete cartridge inkset for my 1280. This will be my first foray into quad/hex tone printing. I've only done BO previously. > >One question though, I'd like to go back and forth between the >quad/hex using the UT2 and BO printing. I will be using EEM. >To do the BO, I was assuming that I would just use the Eboni >catrdige that comes with the UT2 inkset. You mention in your >website that there is a special Eboni required to do BO printing. >Did I get this right? If I want to do BO with this set up, do I >have to buy a different Eboni cartridge? No, it's the same ink. The specific mention in the article was because some people were ordering the wrong cart from among the many offered on the MIS web site. I put that there just to help ensure they ordered the right one. I'm currently experimenting with UT7 in my 2200 and am also doing BO with the same Eboni cart. Works fine either way. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
2004-09-18 by Janus Javier
Thanks, Clayton. Much appreciated. Clayton Jones <cj@...> wrote:Hello Janus, > I've just ordered the new MIS UT2 complete cartridge inkset for my 1280. This will be my first foray into quad/hex tone printing. I've only done BO previously. > >One question though, I'd like to go back and forth between the >quad/hex using the UT2 and BO printing. I will be using EEM. >To do the BO, I was assuming that I would just use the Eboni >catrdige that comes with the UT2 inkset. You mention in your >website that there is a special Eboni required to do BO printing. >Did I get this right? If I want to do BO with this set up, do I >have to buy a different Eboni cartridge? No, it's the same ink. The specific mention in the article was because some people were ordering the wrong cart from among the many offered on the MIS web site. I put that there just to help ensure they ordered the right one. I'm currently experimenting with UT7 in my 2200 and am also doing BO with the same Eboni cart. Works fine either way. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]