Digital BW, The Print

Good point, Peter.

Maris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Peter Nelson 

So you had to buy a dedicated printer, one that limits you to 8.5" 
wide prints - you had to buy 3rd party inks AND a refill system, you 
had to instll special profiles; you had to do a bunch of experiments 
to fix a problem, with the prints being too dark, including using a 
Monaco profiler.

I'm sorry but what part of "K.I.S.S." don't you understand?

I take my digital BW files to a local lab to have them 
photographically printed.  No fuss, no muss, no bother, and I can 
hav any size I want and they're all silver-halide so they are 
extremely archival.

Peter--

I understand you comments about cars. I know nothing about them other than 
how to drive one.

However, when it comes to printing my photographs, I cannot entrust that to 
anyone else.  There is simply no way anyone other than me is going to 
know/understand what I want--even after a lengthy explanation!  Granted, you 
may be getting something that is acceptable to you, but I've tried that 
early on and it simple doesn't work, not for me.

Jay


>From: "Peter Nelson" <pnweb@...>
>Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W Printing--K.I.S.S. method
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:55:28 -0000
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jimbeaujack"
><yojimbo@n...> wrote:
> > I can recommend the solution I've just moved to.
>.  . . . mucho deleto . . .
>
>
>So you had to buy a dedicated printer, one that limits you to 8.5"
>wide prints - you had to buy 3rd party inks AND a refill system, you
>had to instll special profiles; you had to do a bunch of experiments
>to fix a problem, with the prints being too dark, including using a
>Monaco profiler.
>
>I'm sorry but what part of "K.I.S.S." don't you understand?
>
>I take my digital BW files to a local lab to have them
>photographically printed.  No fuss, no muss, no bother, and I can
>hav any size I want and they're all silver-halide so they are
>extremely archival.
>
>
>Jay, one thing you need to understand about many people here is that
>they are the same kind of people who would rather spend their
>Saturdays in the garage, under the hood, working on their cars,
>instead of DRIVING them.    To some of the people here, refilling
>cartridges, profiling papers, and tweaking work flows is the FUN
>part of this hobby.
>
>

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Gladwell" 
<jaygladwell@h...> wrote:

> However, when it comes to printing my photographs, I cannot
> entrust that to anyone else.  There is simply no way anyone 
> other than me is going to know/understand what I want--even
> after a lengthy explanation!  Granted, you may be getting
> something that is acceptable to you, but I've tried that 
> early on and it simple doesn't work, not for me.


Plenty of major professional photographers work with labs all the 
time.  And anyone who creates works for publication -  books, 
magazines, posters, etc, has to develop a relationship with a 
printer who understands what they want.   If the pro's can do it you 
can do it.

Anyway, all you *really* need is a printer who gives you CONSISTENT 
results - R=G=B=200 = X density on the print, R=G=B=100 = Y density, 
R=G=B=50 = Z density, etc.   That way you can make all the 
adjustments in your file and know exactly what you're going to get 
on the print.   In my case I have a sample step wedge that I print 
along with the image which I then cut off in the paper cutter before 
mounting the print.   That wedge should look exactly the same every 
time so I simply have the lab use it as a reference - if the wedge 
comes out right the print comes out right.  If there's any tweaking 
to be done they get to do it.

Don't feel bad, it just labels you as a perfectionist.
:)
Mark

On Sep 17, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Peter Nelson wrote:

> There is simply no way anyone
>  > other than me is going to know/understand what I want--even
>  > after a lengthy explanation! 

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Peter -
 
You assume professional and fine art needs are the same.  Not true.
 
Tom Baker


 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Peter--

That's their prerogative.  As I said, it doesn't work for ME.  There is no 
printer in Miami that can give me a print the way I would print it.  And if 
they did stumble on it, it would only be after scores of prints that would 
cost hundreds of dollars.  Not worth the hassle and expense!

Jay


>From: "Peter Nelson" <pnweb@...>
>Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W Printing--K.I.S.S. method
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:18:33 -0000
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Gladwell"
><jaygladwell@h...> wrote:
>
> > However, when it comes to printing my photographs, I cannot
> > entrust that to anyone else.  There is simply no way anyone
> > other than me is going to know/understand what I want--even
> > after a lengthy explanation!  Granted, you may be getting
> > something that is acceptable to you, but I've tried that
> > early on and it simple doesn't work, not for me.
>
>
>Plenty of major professional photographers work with labs all the
>time.  And anyone who creates works for publication -  books,
>magazines, posters, etc, has to develop a relationship with a
>printer who understands what they want.   If the pro's can do it you
>can do it.
>
>Anyway, all you *really* need is a printer who gives you CONSISTENT
>results - R=G=B=200 = X density on the print, R=G=B=100 = Y density,
>R=G=B=50 = Z density, etc.   That way you can make all the
>adjustments in your file and know exactly what you're going to get
>on the print.   In my case I have a sample step wedge that I print
>along with the image which I then cut off in the paper cutter before
>mounting the print.   That wedge should look exactly the same every
>time so I simply have the lab use it as a reference - if the wedge
>comes out right the print comes out right.  If there's any tweaking
>to be done they get to do it.
>
>
>

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Mark--

LOL -- I've been called worse!

Jay


>From: Mark Savoia <mark@...>
>Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W Printing--K.I.S.S. method
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:23:31 -0400
>
>Don't feel bad, it just labels you as a perfectionist.
>:)
>Mark
>
>On Sep 17, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Peter Nelson wrote:
>
> > There is simply no way anyone
> >  > other than me is going to know/understand what I want--even
> >  > after a lengthy explanation!\ufffd
>
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>

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