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Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Jim W

What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large 36" (long dimension) 
from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an important eshibition, and 
need to be very well done, archival. Ideally with an inks system that would produce no 
metamerism, neutral.  Six editions of six prints each.

I am considering purchasing a printer to do the work myself, but this must work out 
properly. Can anyone comment on whether there is a system (printer, RIP, inks, paper) that 
someone with a good deal of photographic and digital experience could master by late 
December(exhibit in March) that might be an alternative to an expensive house such as 
Nash Edition or such, who I am sure could perform the work?

Also, any recommendations of other houses to check? This is a job that is definitely 
happening.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jim Wiseman
also CC: jimwiseman@...

Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by digikdm

Pick up an issue of B&W magazine. There are always a few 
advertisements for fine art B&W printers... compare prices/ quality, 
etc.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim W" 
<jwise@a...> wrote:
> 
> What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large 36" 
(long dimension) 
> from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an 
important eshibition, and 
> need to be very well done, archival. Ideally with an inks system 
that would produce no 
> metamerism, neutral.  Six editions of six prints each.
> 
> I am considering purchasing a printer to do the work myself, but 
this must work out 
> properly. Can anyone comment on whether there is a system (printer, 
RIP, inks, paper) that 
> someone with a good deal of photographic and digital experience 
could master by late 
> December(exhibit in March) that might be an alternative to an 
expensive house such as 
> Nash Edition or such, who I am sure could perform the work?
> 
> Also, any recommendations of other houses to check? This is a job 
that is definitely
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> happening.
> 
> Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Wiseman
> also CC: jimwiseman@m...

Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Vincent Orlando

Try Tom Patsenka at "Stockbridge Imaging" in Stratford CT, phone 203 
257-5480. He does excellant work for many professional photog. I 
have had several large prints done by him. He uses Piezography inks 
on Han. Photo rag.

Vinny
www.wulfsden.com  


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim W" 
<jwise@a...> wrote:
> 
> What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large 
36" (long dimension) 
> from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an 
important eshibition, and 
> need to be very well done, archival. Ideally with an inks system 
that would produce no 
> metamerism, neutral.  Six editions of six prints each.
> 
> I am considering purchasing a printer to do the work myself, but 
this must work out 
> properly. Can anyone comment on whether there is a system 
(printer, RIP, inks, paper) that 
> someone with a good deal of photographic and digital experience 
could master by late 
> December(exhibit in March) that might be an alternative to an 
expensive house such as 
> Nash Edition or such, who I am sure could perform the work?
> 
> Also, any recommendations of other houses to check? This is a job 
that is definitely
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> happening.
> 
> Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Wiseman
> also CC: jimwiseman@m...

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Jim Doyle

Try some of the gang that are members of the Group..They Help Us and so we
should support each other..

Where are you located.. That Way Some Of The Gang can Email You Or step up..
I Can Name at least 10 On This List That Print as well as If not better Than
Nash Edition..

Best
Jim Doyle

J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
114 Old Orchard Rd.
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-424-8660
http://www.shadesofpaper.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Vincent Orlando [mailto:orlandovl@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:29 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed




  Try Tom Patsenka at "Stockbridge Imaging" in Stratford CT, phone 203
  257-5480. He does excellant work for many professional photog. I
  have had several large prints done by him. He uses Piezography inks
  on Han. Photo rag.

  Vinny
  www.wulfsden.com


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim W"
  <jwise@a...> wrote:
  >
  > What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large
  36" (long dimension)
  > from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an
  important eshibition, and
  > need to be very well done, archival. Ideally with an inks system
  that would produce no
  > metamerism, neutral.  Six editions of six prints each.
  >
  > I am considering purchasing a printer to do the work myself, but
  this must work out
  > properly. Can anyone comment on whether there is a system
  (printer, RIP, inks, paper) that
  > someone with a good deal of photographic and digital experience
  could master by late
  > December(exhibit in March) that might be an alternative to an
  expensive house such as
  > Nash Edition or such, who I am sure could perform the work?
  >
  > Also, any recommendations of other houses to check? This is a job
  that is definitely
  > happening.
  >
  > Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > Jim Wiseman
  > also CC: jimwiseman@m...





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Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by John Vitollo

"Jim W"  wrote:
> 
> What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large 36" (long 
dimension) 
> from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an important eshibition, 
and 
> need to be very well done, archival. 


My vote is for Tyler's company Custom-Digital:

http://www.custom-digital.com/

Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Antonis

Jim,

I'd say it's worth finding someone nearby - but you don't mention where
you are located and whether Fedexing every round of proofs is an issue.
Also, scanning and file prep for that size may not be trivial 
and may be a big factor  in the final print quality.

I would be nervous if I was just starting in digital bw printing and
had a for-real show to print, but depending on your "free time", and budget
there is no reason why you couldn't learn  all this. You specify the
long dimention, but not the short which would indicate what size
printer you may need. You also don't specify any preference for Mac
or PC. 

Assuming you are well versed in Photoshop,
the shortest route with the easier learning curve is to buy into a 
system that offers out-of-the-box functionality, such as ImagePrint 
and a 7600 with Ultrachromes. 

That's not necessarily the overall "best", just the quickest to get
up and running. The downside is that if you really want to get into
the more esoteric controls and make your own profiles etc, there are
other choices, some much cheaper. ImagePrint is a proven solution
with good phone support, but their profiles are proprietary and have
to be made by Colorbyte. You can find lots and lots on all this in our
archives - but then, as I said, it all depends on how much time you
are willing to put into this. Other solutions include StudioPrint (PC only),
QTR (Mac and PC),  IJC/OPM (Mac and soon PC), Piezography ICC and
R9 inks and software. 

For a truly fine tuned exhibit-quality print, remember that there is also 
the matter of ink and paper choice.  That can become quite a project
if you have to try different combinations and want to match ink color
to paper base for a specific "look". An Ultrachrome printer is likely 
the most out-of-the-box versatile in that sense, but perhaps not ideal for
the particulars of your current project. 

I am only trying to outline some of the complexity involved in getting up 
and running quickly - but it all depends on what you expect from
the final prints.  In the end, I don't believe you can substitute an 
experienced  "master printer"  with a quick plug-n-play solution. 

Antonis



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim W" <jwise@a...> wrote:

Can anyone comment on whether there is a system (printer, RIP, inks, paper) that 
> someone with a good deal of photographic and digital experience could master by 
late 
> December(exhibit in March) that might be an alternative to an expensive house 
such as 
> Nash Edition or such, who I am sure could perform the work?

Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Tyler Boley

I recommend me! <G>
www.custom-digital.com
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim W"
<jwise@a...> wrote:
> 
> What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large 36"
(long dimension) 
> from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an
important eshibition, and 
> need to be very well done, archival. Ideally with an inks system
that would produce no 
> metamerism, neutral.  Six editions of six prints each.
> 
> I am considering purchasing a printer to do the work myself, but
this must work out 
> properly. Can anyone comment on whether there is a system (printer,
RIP, inks, paper) that 
> someone with a good deal of photographic and digital experience
could master by late 
> December(exhibit in March) that might be an alternative to an
expensive house such as 
> Nash Edition or such, who I am sure could perform the work?
> 
> Also, any recommendations of other houses to check? This is a job
that is definitely
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> happening.
> 
> Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Wiseman
> also CC: jimwiseman@m...

Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by pentax93

Hi,
Yvon Haze is a very good piezography large format printer.
His website is in french but he speaks english. His work is not very 
expansive.
http://www.fine-art-prod.com/
contact@...

Christophe 
http://www.foto-sapiens.com/cf

Am I spam? was Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Tyler Boley

I had intended for my message to go off list to Jim, my apologies. I
had also not yet noticed John's recommendation, which would have been
sufficient.
My apologies to the list and my thanks to you, John.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo"
<jvlist@c...> wrote:
> 
>  "Jim W"  wrote:
> > 
> > What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large
36" (long 
> dimension) 
> > from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an
important eshibition,
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> and 
> > need to be very well done, archival. 
> 
> 
> My vote is for Tyler's company Custom-Digital:
> 
> http://www.custom-digital.com/

Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by john dean

I do this kind of work for a living in Atlanta, but as for the highest quality materials and 
workmanship with quadtone fine art output, I would also recommend Tyler Boley. He is 
fully experienced, well equipped and ready. His prices are as competitive for the level of 
work he is doing as anyone I could think of. If I couldn't do my own fine art output, he is 
who I would hire. These inks and techniques that he is using don't get any better in my 
opinion and he has a good eye.

john dean

Re: [Digital BW] Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Hogarth Hughes

http://www.dpguild.com/members.html

These guys are trying to be the very best. You might want to check them out.
--
Hogarth Hughes


Jim W wrote:
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>What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large 36" (long dimension) 
>from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an important eshibition, and 
>need to be very well done, archival. Ideally with an inks system that would produce no 
>metamerism, neutral.  Six editions of six prints each.
>
>I am considering purchasing a printer to do the work myself, but this must work out 
>properly. Can anyone comment on whether there is a system (printer, RIP, inks, paper) that 
>someone with a good deal of photographic and digital experience could master by late 
>December(exhibit in March) that might be an alternative to an expensive house such as 
>Nash Edition or such, who I am sure could perform the work?
>
>Also, any recommendations of other houses to check? This is a job that is definitely 
>happening.
>
>Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim Wiseman
>also CC: jimwiseman@...
>
>  
>

Re: [Digital BW] Am I spam? was Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Tom Baker

Yep.  We can discuss the innards of a state of the art printer, inks, etc., but how email works is sometimes baffling.  I've done this, and still don't know what caused it.
 
 
Tom Baker

Tyler Boley <tyler@...> wrote:


I had intended for my message to go off list to Jim, my apologies. I
had also not yet noticed John's recommendation, which would have been
sufficient.
My apologies to the list and my thanks to you, John.
Tyler



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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Jim Doyle

Thats Two Of Us..
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tyler Boley [mailto:tyler@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:30 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Large exhibition quality black and whites needed



  I recommend me! <G>
  www.custom-digital.com
  Tyler

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim W"
  <jwise@a...> wrote:
  >
  > What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large 36"
  (long dimension)
  > from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an
  important eshibition, and
  > need to be very well done, archival. Ideally with an inks system
  that would produce no
  > metamerism, neutral.  Six editions of six prints each.
  >
  > I am considering purchasing a printer to do the work myself, but
  this must work out
  > properly. Can anyone comment on whether there is a system (printer,
  RIP, inks, paper) that
  > someone with a good deal of photographic and digital experience
  could master by late
  > December(exhibit in March) that might be an alternative to an
  expensive house such as
  > Nash Edition or such, who I am sure could perform the work?
  >
  > Also, any recommendations of other houses to check? This is a job
  that is definitely
  > happening.
  >
  > Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > Jim Wiseman
  > also CC: jimwiseman@m...





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RE: [Digital BW] Am I spam? was Large exhibition quality black and whites needed

2004-10-12 by Jim Doyle

Tyler

I Knew What You meant ..Hey Like I said and will always say Support Your
Group Members ..Otherwise it doesn't Work!

Cheers
Jim Doyle

J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
114 Old Orchard Rd.
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-424-8660
http://www.shadesofpaper.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tyler Boley [mailto:tyler@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:12 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Am I spam? was Large exhibition quality black and
whites needed



  I had intended for my message to go off list to Jim, my apologies. I
  had also not yet noticed John's recommendation, which would have been
  sufficient.
  My apologies to the list and my thanks to you, John.
  Tyler

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo"
  <jvlist@c...> wrote:
  >
  >  "Jim W"  wrote:
  > >
  > > What printing service houses would anyone recommend to do large
  36" (long
  > dimension)
  > > from black and white files I would scan myself? These are for an
  important eshibition,
  > and
  > > need to be very well done, archival.
  >
  >
  > My vote is for Tyler's company Custom-Digital:
  >
  > http://www.custom-digital.com/





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