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Re: [Digital BW] Moab Entrada question

Re: [Digital BW] Moab Entrada question

2004-10-12 by Alan.Huntley@cox.net

Hi Bernie,

I quite like Entrada Natural in the heavy weight; especially for larger prints.

Alan Huntley
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> 
> From: "Bernie Ess" <albatros-@...>
> Date: 2004/10/12 Tue AM 04:58:53 EDT
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Moab Entrada question
> 
> 
> 
> Hello, I'd like to try out new papers, and the Moab Entrada comes to
> my mind. Unfortunately I have to order in the US as it doesn't seem to
> be available in Europe. If I do that, which one would you prefer: The
> Entrada or the Entrada natural, 190g or 300g? 
> Thanks for your input.
> 
> Bernie

Glossy paper with UT2...again.

2004-10-12 by Doug Meeuwsen

hello, I recently got a pack of cheap epson "glossy photo paper" after I read
Mr. Roark's recent post about it being a pretty compatible finish for the pigment
UT2 inks. I have been using iford smooth gloss for my glossy paper. I pretty often
need to make glossy prints in BW for promo packages for musicians etc, so a glossy paper
that works is very important. I think mr Roark is correct that the cheapo epson paper is 
pretty close to working with the ut2 inks. I still say that it needs a two coat shot of print 
sheild, just like ilford smooth pearl does. The epson paper is more even accross the 
reflections, and the light midtones dont get the annoying glittery color that the ilford 
does, and even show alittle bit after the spray. The epson really takes the spray nicely
and you cant tell it's there. The finish is only slightly glossy, much like the Darkroom
papers that i used in the 70's when I was kid. Soooooo....here is my question:
Will the pigment last on this paper? I found a test print that i had made with this paper 
about a year ago with a cannon dye printer, and it was half covered with another piece of paper..
half of the print had faded about 50%! That was with dye of course...how about the Ut2s? 
Keep in mind that the old test print was not sprayed.... I cant find any data on this combo.
It would be nice if they would last maybe 5 years...Thanks in advance!, Doug M




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RE: [Digital BW] Glossy paper with UT2...again.

2004-10-12 by Paul Roark

Doug,

I have not fade tested the UT2 pigments (or any other) on Epson Glossy Photo
Paper.  So, I can't say how long they will last.  In general, however,
pigments are much less sensitive to paper types than dyes.  I would not use
your experience with dyes fading as relevant at all to the UT2 pigments. I'm
quite sure the combination will meet your 5 year criteria.

By the way, Costco now has a private label version of the Epson Glossy Photo
Paper.  It has a higher dmax and close to the same finish.  There is just a
hint of bronzing, however.  Still, it is an excellent paper for quite and
easy glossy printing with the Ultra Tone pigments.  The Glossy Photo Paper
curves are very close to correct for it (although I'm writing some specific
ones for some of the new hextone FS setups).

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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Subject: [Digital BW] Glossy paper with UT2...again.



hello, I recently got a pack of cheap epson "glossy photo paper" after I
read
Mr. Roark's recent post about it being a pretty compatible finish for the
pigment
UT2 inks. I have been using iford smooth gloss for my glossy paper. I pretty
often
need to make glossy prints in BW for promo packages for musicians etc, so a
glossy paper
that works is very important. I think mr Roark is correct that the cheapo
epson paper is 
pretty close to working with the ut2 inks. I still say that it needs a two
coat shot of print 
sheild, just like ilford smooth pearl does. The epson paper is more even
accross the 
reflections, and the light midtones dont get the annoying glittery color
that the ilford 
does, and even show alittle bit after the spray. The epson really takes the
spray nicely
and you cant tell it's there. The finish is only slightly glossy, much like
the Darkroom
papers that i used in the 70's when I was kid. Soooooo....here is my
question:
Will the pigment last on this paper? I found a test print that i had made
with this paper 
about a year ago with a cannon dye printer, and it was half covered with
another piece of paper..
half of the print had faded about 50%! That was with dye of course...how
about the Ut2s? 
Keep in mind that the old test print was not sprayed.... I cant find any
data on this combo.
It would be nice if they would last maybe 5 years...Thanks in advance!, Doug
M




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