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2004-10-25 by Steve Schaefer
I just recently picked up a Epson 4000. I have mostly been printing on Premium Luster 250. I picked up some Premier Art Print Shield hearing that it helped the print in several different ways. I just sprayed my first 16x20. It did seem to help the blacks a bit and maybe the bronzing problem but it left the surface blotching looking. I applied the four coats as the direction suggested. Any other suggestions would be appreciated 404 659 9701
2004-10-26 by Dragonfly Imaging & Printing
Hi Steve, I have only used PrintShield on Luster when the print will not be mounted behind glass. It seemed to work very well, using two or three light even mistings. Keep practicing. You'll get the hang of it. Cheers, John
On Oct 25, 2004, at 7:03 PM, Steve Schaefer wrote: > > I just recently picked up a Epson 4000. I have mostly been printing on > Premium Luster 250. I picked up some Premier Art Print Shield hearing > that it helped the print in several different ways. I just sprayed my > first 16x20. It did seem to help the blacks a bit and maybe the > bronzing problem but it left the surface blotching looking. I applied > the four coats as the direction suggested. > > Any other suggestions would be appreciated > > > 404 659 9701
2004-10-26 by john dean
I use this spray all the time as well as the Lyson Printguard. I've never had a problem except for once - don't spray any RC paper until it is aired out for 24 hours! Gases are released and trapped under the spray. This is a common problem for framers also. If you send an inkjet rc print to the framers and he puts it behind glass before it cures it will fog up, just like with the spray and ruin the print. I spray rag papers within a short time and have never had a singe falure after hundreds and hundreds of prints on all kinds of media, including linen, canvas, premium luster ( after 24 hrs ) etc. john
2004-10-26 by Hogarth Hughes
Or, dry the print (any print, matte, glossy, whatever) with a hairdryer first. Drive off the glycols and glycerins that are so slow to evaporate under ambient temperature. You'll smell them going to vapor. -- Hogarth Hughes john dean wrote:
>I use this spray all the time as well as the Lyson Printguard. I've never had a problem >except for once - don't spray any RC paper until it is aired out for 24 hours! Gases are >released and trapped under the spray. This is a common problem for framers also. If you >send an inkjet rc print to the framers and he puts it behind glass before it cures it will fog >up, just like with the spray and ruin the print. I spray rag papers within a short time and >have never had a singe falure after hundreds and hundreds of prints on all kinds of media, >including linen, canvas, premium luster ( after 24 hrs ) etc. > >john > > > > > > >Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > >If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > >Please follow these basic guidelines: >- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. >- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. >- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. >- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > >BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >
2004-10-26 by Steve Kale
I have the same problem especially when the image has large swathes of black. The spray mottles the blacks. There is a fine line between a heavy enough coating to avoid mottling and spraying too much and soaking the print. A little too hit and miss for me.
> From: Steve Schaefer <steve_schaefer@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:03:10 -0400 (EDT) > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Premier Art Print > > > I just recently picked up a Epson 4000. I have mostly been printing on Premium > Luster 250. I picked up some Premier Art Print Shield hearing that it helped > the print in several different ways. I just sprayed my first 16x20. It did > seem to help the blacks a bit and maybe the bronzing problem but it left the > surface blotching looking. I applied the four coats as the direction > suggested. > > Any other suggestions would be appreciated > > > 404 659 9701 > >
2004-10-26 by Steve Schaefer
Steve have you found another method or do you just not us it? <html><body> <tt> I have the same problem especially when the image has large swathes of<BR> black. The spray mottles the blacks. There is a fine line between a heavy<BR> enough coating to avoid mottling and spraying too much and soaking the<BR> print. A little too hit and miss for me.<BR> <BR> <BR> > From: Steve Schaefer <steve_schaefer@...><BR> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com><BR> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:03:10 -0400 (EDT)<BR> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com><BR> > Subject: [Digital BW] Premier Art Print<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > I just recently picked up a Epson 4000. I have mostly been printing on Premium<BR> > Luster 250. I picked up some Premier Art Print Shield hearing that it helped<BR> > the print in several different ways. I just sprayed my first 16x20. 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2004-10-26 by Steve Kale
To be honest I have found the whole B&W on RC paper printing a frustration. There's bronzing and differential reflectance issues. Spraying (I have used Lyson Print Guard) helps but then you have the issue of mottled blacks. I have not found a solution and am a bit surprised that others don't seem bothered by the issue you and I are experiencing - I have raised this issue here before. As a result, I have not done much RC printing of late. In my experience, these issues are significantly less in colour work. As a result I would like to understand a little better what actually causes these issues and why it might be that a spray helps. (I am using a 2100 with an MIS CFS with their UC equivalent inks.)
> From: Steve Schaefer <steve_schaefer@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:06:38 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Premier Art Print > > > Steve have you found another method or do you just not us it? >
2004-10-26 by john dean
To be honest I never print monochrome on rc papers, I don't like the way they look with any inkset, so the spray issues with them I don't know about. But spraying color after 24 hours has never been problem for me and it does reduce the bronzing. john