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2004-12-20 by bjornaagedk
I have just installed EZN inks in a new Epson C86 and WOW - beautiful prints!!! Isn't there a possibility to run these inks on a printer for the A3+ format? If no, which A3+ solution comes close to EZN in quality and ease of use?
2004-12-20 by Paul Roark
>I have just installed EZN inks in a new Epson C86 >and WOW - beautiful prints!!! >Isn't there a possibility to run these inks on a >printer for the A3+ format? >If no, which A3+ solution comes close to EZN in >quality and ease of use? It sure would be nice if Epson made an A3+ size C86, but they don't. However, there are a number of printers that take the larger paper. The UT2 and UT7 inksets also came out of my "EZ" program, in part. They print very nicely with just the sliders. However, they also have the benefit of variable tones. When curves are used to print with these inksets, the range of tones is quite large. Curves have been made for a number of papers. The UT-FS (medium warm) and UT-FSN (neutral) inksets also run in A3 printers. Often, however, these do require a curve to adjust the grayscale file before printing. This requires that one have Photoshop or Picture Window to apply the curve. Photoshop Elements can also be used with an adjustment layer dragged from another file. I can provide these files, but in Elements you would not be able to modify the curves. Grayscale curves for the FS inksets have been pre-made for a number of printers and papers. Also, since they are a simple, single curve, they are much easier to modify for new and different papers. Some of the printers like the 2000P and 1270 are available used or refurbished and made excellent B&W printers. Take a look at my index of printing information at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm. A number of the printers and inksets I've worked on are discussed there. Good luck. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2004-12-21 by bjornaagedk
Hi Paul, thank you very much for this. One more question: I have the Epson 7000 printer. Which inkset produces the best BW print with this printer and what is the difference from the Epson 7500 ? Bjorn --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > >I have just installed EZN inks in a new Epson C86 > >and WOW - beautiful prints!!! > > >Isn't there a possibility to run these inks on a > >printer for the A3+ format? > > >If no, which A3+ solution comes close to EZN in > >quality and ease of use? > > > It sure would be nice if Epson made an A3+ size C86, but they don't. > > However, there are a number of printers that take the larger paper. The UT2 > and UT7 inksets also came out of my "EZ" program, in part. They print very > nicely with just the sliders. However, they also have the benefit of > variable tones. When curves are used to print with these inksets, the range > of tones is quite large. Curves have been made for a number of papers. > > The UT-FS (medium warm) and UT-FSN (neutral) inksets also run in A3 > printers. Often, however, these do require a curve to adjust the grayscale > file before printing. This requires that one have Photoshop or Picture > Window to apply the curve. Photoshop Elements can also be used with an > adjustment layer dragged from another file. I can provide these files, but > in Elements you would not be able to modify the curves. > > Grayscale curves for the FS inksets have been pre-made for a number of > printers and papers. Also, since they are a simple, single curve, they are > much easier to modify for new and different papers. Some of the printers > like the 2000P and 1270 are available used or refurbished and made excellent > B&W printers. > > Take a look at my index of printing information at > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm. A number of the printers and > inksets I've worked on are discussed there. > > Good luck. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com
2004-12-21 by Paul Roark
Bjorn, >...I have the Epson 7000 printer. Which inkset produces the best BW >print with this printer and what is the difference from the Epson 7500 ? I'm not sure I can say absolutely the best is produced by ______. However what I've done with my 7500 is, first, for matte printing use the MIS UT1 inkset. This has a variable tone range from carbon warm to very cool. It served me very well when I was doing only matte papers on the 7500. However, I have found the UT1 did not do very well with glossy paper on the 7500 (and some others). So, while the UT2 and UT7 were the solution for desktop units I used, the 7500 didn't do well with them either due to the large dots. It still needs a very light ink in it. So, I now have a variant of the UT-FSN inkset in the 7500. It uses one custom ink to replace the medium gray FSN, which was too light. MIS has the formula for this and, I assume, will mix it if there is any demand. At any rate, I have this customized FSN in the cyan spots and Y position. In the M spot I put MIS PK. In the LM I have UT2-LM (the light warm carbon ink from the UT2 inkset). This combination gets me very good matte and glossy prints from neutral tone through medium warm. Since I'm really interested in mostly neutral tones, the (UT2) LM is used primarily to control what I consider excessive coolness in the shadows of some cotton papers. So, I think it's a significant improvement over straight FSN for some papers. The ability to better profile papers for neutral printing was really the main reason for my original variable tone approach, and it continues to be such for me. The PK in M, in combination with the FSN-C gives me excellent dmax on glossy papers. Interestingly, the PK with the dark cool ink produces a better dmax than the straight PK (including the UC PK which I also tried in the inkset). So, my latest prints are coming off a roll of Epson Premium Semimatte that is now loaded in the 7500. I must say I love the dynamic range of these prints, which I've been spraying with Print Shield, dry mounting, and framing without glass of matte board. (Very un-fine art, but very nice to look at from my perspective.) The relatively old 7500 cannot match the smoothness of the newer printers on many papers when examined with a magnifying glass. However, for even letter-size prints on glossy paper, it's essentially dotless at any normal viewing distance. The 7000 and 7500 are essentially the same machines. The drivers are different, but people on Windows can run either machine with either driver. The 7500 appears to have different firmware, but that may mostly provide for more cleaning cycles, which you can do manually. As usual, I control the inkset with RGB curves, which I have for a number of papers. If you're interested in this approach, let me know and I'll try to be sure MIS is up to speed on the custom medium density FSN that is needed. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _______________________________ --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > >I have just installed EZN inks in a new Epson C86 > >and WOW - beautiful prints!!! > > >Isn't there a possibility to run these inks on a > >printer for the A3+ format? > > >If no, which A3+ solution comes close to EZN in > >quality and ease of use? > > > It sure would be nice if Epson made an A3+ size C86, but they don't. > > However, there are a number of printers that take the larger paper. The UT2 > and UT7 inksets also came out of my "EZ" program, in part. They print very > nicely with just the sliders. However, they also have the benefit of > variable tones. When curves are used to print with these inksets, the range > of tones is quite large. Curves have been made for a number of papers. > > The UT-FS (medium warm) and UT-FSN (neutral) inksets also run in A3 > printers. Often, however, these do require a curve to adjust the grayscale > file before printing. This requires that one have Photoshop or Picture > Window to apply the curve. Photoshop Elements can also be used with an > adjustment layer dragged from another file. I can provide these files, but > in Elements you would not be able to modify the curves. > > Grayscale curves for the FS inksets have been pre-made for a number of > printers and papers. Also, since they are a simple, single curve, they are > much easier to modify for new and different papers. Some of the printers > like the 2000P and 1270 are available used or refurbished and made excellent > B&W printers. > > Take a look at my index of printing information at > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm. A number of the printers and > inksets I've worked on are discussed there. > > Good luck. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. 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2004-12-21 by bjornaagedk
I plan to dedicate my 7000 to BW-printing, so this is very interesting. I am a Mac user, and since Epson has no OS X driver for the 7000 I have to use the Mac OS9 (or maybe a Gimp print driver?) Can I get a RGB-curve for Eps SemiMatte from you, when I get so far? Bjorn --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Bjorn, > > >...I have the Epson 7000 printer. Which inkset produces the best BW > >print with this printer and what is the difference from the Epson 7500 ? > > I'm not sure I can say absolutely the best is produced by ______. However > what I've done with my 7500 is, first, for matte printing use the MIS UT1 > inkset. This has a variable tone range from carbon warm to very cool. It > served me very well when I was doing only matte papers on the 7500. > > However, I have found the UT1 did not do very well with glossy paper on the > 7500 (and some others). So, while the UT2 and UT7 were the solution for > desktop units I used, the 7500 didn't do well with them either due to the > large dots. It still needs a very light ink in it. > > So, I now have a variant of the UT-FSN inkset in the 7500. It uses one > custom ink to replace the medium gray FSN, which was too light. MIS has the > formula for this and, I assume, will mix it if there is any demand. At any > rate, I have this customized FSN in the cyan spots and Y position. In the M > spot I put MIS PK. In the LM I have UT2-LM (the light warm carbon ink from > the UT2 inkset). > > This combination gets me very good matte and glossy prints from neutral tone > through medium warm. Since I'm really interested in mostly neutral tones, > the (UT2) LM is used primarily to control what I consider excessive coolness > in the shadows of some cotton papers. So, I think it's a significant > improvement over straight FSN for some papers. The ability to better > profile papers for neutral printing was really the main reason for my > original variable tone approach, and it continues to be such for me. > > The PK in M, in combination with the FSN-C gives me excellent dmax on glossy > papers. Interestingly, the PK with the dark cool ink produces a better dmax > than the straight PK (including the UC PK which I also tried in the inkset). > > So, my latest prints are coming off a roll of Epson Premium Semimatte that > is now loaded in the 7500. I must say I love the dynamic range of these > prints, which I've been spraying with Print Shield, dry mounting, and > framing without glass of matte board. (Very un-fine art, but very nice to > look at from my perspective.) > > The relatively old 7500 cannot match the smoothness of the newer printers on > many papers when examined with a magnifying glass. However, for even > letter-size prints on glossy paper, it's essentially dotless at any normal > viewing distance. > > The 7000 and 7500 are essentially the same machines. The drivers are > different, but people on Windows can run either machine with either driver. > The 7500 appears to have different firmware, but that may mostly provide for > more cleaning cycles, which you can do manually. > > As usual, I control the inkset with RGB curves, which I have for a number of > papers. > > If you're interested in this approach, let me know and I'll try to be sure > MIS is up to speed on the custom medium density FSN that is needed. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > _______________________________ >
2004-12-22 by John Vitollo
> I plan to dedicate my 7000 to BW-printing, so this is very interesting. > I am a Mac user, and since Epson has no OS X driver for the 7000 I have to use the Mac > OS9 (or maybe a Gimp print driver?) > Bjorn Epson released an OS X driver for the 7000 a few weeks ago. This link will time out but lets give it a shot: http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp? BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=14379&prodoid=11084&infoType=Downloads&platform=Maci ntosh
2004-12-22 by Paul Roark
Bjorn, >I plan to dedicate my 7000 to BW-printing, so this is very interesting. >I am a Mac user, and since Epson has no OS X driver for the 7000 >I have to use the Mac OS9 (or maybe a Gimp print driver?) > Can I get a RGB-curve for Eps SemiMatte from you, when I get so far? Yes, if MIS will mix the missing ink, I'll load the 7000 driver and make the basic curves for the inkset. Let MIS know of your interest. If they will, then even if they don't want to market the inkset (yet), they might mix the one unique ink, and all the others are off-the-self inks. Paul ________________________________ --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Bjorn, > > >...I have the Epson 7000 printer. Which inkset produces the best BW > >print with this printer and what is the difference from the Epson 7500 ? > > I'm not sure I can say absolutely the best is produced by ______. However > what I've done with my 7500 is, first, for matte printing use the MIS UT1 > inkset. This has a variable tone range from carbon warm to very cool. It > served me very well when I was doing only matte papers on the 7500. > > However, I have found the UT1 did not do very well with glossy paper on the > 7500 (and some others). So, while the UT2 and UT7 were the solution for > desktop units I used, the 7500 didn't do well with them either due to the > large dots. It still needs a very light ink in it. > > So, I now have a variant of the UT-FSN inkset in the 7500. It uses one > custom ink to replace the medium gray FSN, which was too light. MIS has the > formula for this and, I assume, will mix it if there is any demand. At any > rate, I have this customized FSN in the cyan spots and Y position. In the M > spot I put MIS PK. In the LM I have UT2-LM (the light warm carbon ink from > the UT2 inkset). > > This combination gets me very good matte and glossy prints from neutral tone > through medium warm. Since I'm really interested in mostly neutral tones, > the (UT2) LM is used primarily to control what I consider excessive coolness > in the shadows of some cotton papers. So, I think it's a significant > improvement over straight FSN for some papers. The ability to better > profile papers for neutral printing was really the main reason for my > original variable tone approach, and it continues to be such for me. > > The PK in M, in combination with the FSN-C gives me excellent dmax on glossy > papers. Interestingly, the PK with the dark cool ink produces a better dmax > than the straight PK (including the UC PK which I also tried in the inkset). > > So, my latest prints are coming off a roll of Epson Premium Semimatte that > is now loaded in the 7500. I must say I love the dynamic range of these > prints, which I've been spraying with Print Shield, dry mounting, and > framing without glass of matte board. (Very un-fine art, but very nice to > look at from my perspective.) > > The relatively old 7500 cannot match the smoothness of the newer printers on > many papers when examined with a magnifying glass. However, for even > letter-size prints on glossy paper, it's essentially dotless at any normal > viewing distance. > > The 7000 and 7500 are essentially the same machines. The drivers are > different, but people on Windows can run either machine with either driver. > The 7500 appears to have different firmware, but that may mostly provide for > more cleaning cycles, which you can do manually. > > As usual, I control the inkset with RGB curves, which I have for a number of > papers. > > If you're interested in this approach, let me know and I'll try to be sure > MIS is up to speed on the custom medium density FSN that is needed. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > _______________________________ > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. 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2004-12-22 by bjornaagedk
"Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > So, I now have a variant of the UT-FSN inkset in the 7500. It uses one > custom ink to replace the medium gray FSN, which was too light. MIS has the > formula for this and, I assume, will mix it if there is any demand. At any > rate, I have this customized FSN in the cyan spots and Y position. In the M > spot I put MIS PK. In the LM I have UT2-LM (the light warm carbon ink from > the UT2 inkset). > > This combination gets me very good matte and glossy prints from neutral tone > through medium warm. Since I'm really interested in mostly neutral tones, > the (UT2) LM is used primarily to control what I consider excessive coolness > in the shadows of some cotton papers. So, I think it's a significant > improvement over straight FSN for some papers. The ability to better > profile papers for neutral printing was really the main reason for my > original variable tone approach, and it continues to be such for me. > I have emailed MIS about this special inkset for Epson 7000 and got the answer that they will be working on it in january. So let's see what happens. If any other is interested, contact MIS.
2004-12-22 by bjornaagedk
John, Thank you for this link. I have been waiting for an OSX driver for Epson 7000 since OSX came out...!!! Bjorn --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" <jvlist@c...> wrote: > > > I plan to dedicate my 7000 to BW-printing, so this is very interesting. > > I am a Mac user, and since Epson has no OS X driver for the 7000 I have to use the Mac > > OS9 (or maybe a Gimp print driver?) > > Bjorn > > > Epson released an OS X driver for the 7000 a few weeks ago. > > This link will time out but lets give it a shot: > > http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp? > BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=14379&prodoid=11084&infoType=Downloads&platform=Maci > ntosh