Digital BW, The Print

Hello there, I am a new memeber of this group. I wonder if any of you 
out there has experience with BO printing on Epson 2200 as described 
in the essays written by Clayton Jones. 
I tried his recommended procedure with Epson Matte Ink and epson 
Enhanced Matte paper and got an print that has a brown cast - almost 
like a duotone - definitely not metamerism. The same image printed 
with the same ink/paper set with Imageprint RIP produced a perfect 
grey-scale print. Am I observing a characteristic of Epson matte ink 
with BO setting?
thank you for any feedback I recieve.
cheers
vartkes

Vartkes
I have a 2100-printer, but I think results are the same as with 
2200. Yes, BO with those materials gives warm(ish) tone on prints. I 
like it and use it in some photos but I use QTR in most B&W 
printing. 
Cheers, Esa

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DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "vartkes_peltekoglu" 
<vartkes@s...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello there, I am a new memeber of this group. I wonder if any of 
you 
> out there has experience with BO printing on Epson 2200 as 
described 
> in the essays written by Clayton Jones. 
> I tried his recommended procedure with Epson Matte Ink and epson 
> Enhanced Matte paper and got an print that has a brown cast - 
almost 
> like a duotone - definitely not metamerism. The same image printed 
> with the same ink/paper set with Imageprint RIP produced a perfect 
> grey-scale print. Am I observing a characteristic of Epson matte 
ink 

> with BO setting?
> thank you for any feedback I recieve.
> cheers
> vartkes

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "esasinkkonen" 
<esa.sinkkonen@1...> wrote:

> I have a 2100-printer, but I think results are the same as with 
> 2200.

Actually, they are not.  At least, the drivers are different.  B&W 
prints using the 2100 driver's "black" setting use colour inks and 
suffer from the effects of metamerism.  The 2200 driver's "black 
only" setting uses only black ink (when I last tested it).

John

John
Strange, but my 2100 with "black" uses only black ink (checked with 
loupe etc)and gives the warmish tone I mentioned in my previous 
message and offcourse not metamerism. 
I had problems about a year ago to get my printer use only black ink 
but it has been solved long ago. I think that had to do with some 
driver versions or somehow messing something. At least by removing 
everything "2100" related from my computer (and I mean removing, not 
just uninstalling) and re-installing drives did help, but that is a 
too long story.
Cheers, Esa
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Houghton" 
<j.houghton@n...> wrote:
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> --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "esasinkkonen" 

> <esa.sinkkonen@1...> wrote:
> 
> > I have a 2100-printer, but I think results are the same as with 
> > 2200.
> 
> Actually, they are not.  At least, the drivers are different.  B&W 
> prints using the 2100 driver's "black" setting use colour inks and 
> suffer from the effects of metamerism.  The 2200 driver's "black 
> only" setting uses only black ink (when I last tested it).
> 
> John

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "esasinkkonen" 
<esa.sinkkonen@1...> wrote:
> 
> John
> Strange, but my 2100 with "black" uses only black ink (checked with 
> loupe etc)and gives the warmish tone I mentioned in my previous 
> message and offcourse not metamerism.

I checked the 2100 driver installed on my machine and it was v5.40.  
I downloaded the latest driver from the Epson site and loaded that.  
It displays as v5.50.  It prints in black mode no differently.  If I 
scan prints made with the Epson driver and QTR side-by-side on a flat 
bed scanner, the Epson driver print has a marked magenta cast as 
compared to the QTR print, whereas the Epson print looks slightly 
green when the prints are viewed in daylight.

Ah!  As I recall, it matters which black ink you are using. I happen 
to be using the photo black cartridge at the moment.  I believe the 
colour inks are not used when using black mode and matte black ink, 
as is the case with the original poster.

John