Digital BW, The Print

Just wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the exact 
same ink. I'm about to buy some bulk ink, and noticed that MIS has 
separate bulk inks for the C, Y, and M positions.  I'm guessing I can 
just buy one of those, and put it in each of my three separate 
refillable cartridges.

Also, if Paul reads this, could you provide a bit more info on how 
you "prime" the cartidge.  Am I to understand that you actually pull 
the "gasket" out near the print head.  (My problem is that I can't 
picture how the cartridge works, even with the photos I've seen.)

My first runs with the throw-away cartridges were stunning.  With how 
fast this printer drinks the black ink, and how much I'm printing, 
refillables are the only way to go.

Thanks.

"With how
fast this printer drinks the black ink, and how much I'm printing,
refillables are the only way to go."

I agree.

But I noticed that on my second black cart I used, the ink has lasted 
MUCH longer.


I'm now wondering if my first cart was bad? (I'm talking the pre-
filled carts here.)

Bulk is the way to go, no doubt.

Scott













--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "welchmatt" 
<welchmatt@y...> wrote:
> 
> Just wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the exact 
> same ink. I'm about to buy some bulk ink, and noticed that MIS has 
> separate bulk inks for the C, Y, and M positions.  I'm guessing I 
can 
> just buy one of those, and put it in each of my three separate 
> refillable cartridges.
> 
> Also, if Paul reads this, could you provide a bit more info on how 
> you "prime" the cartidge.  Am I to understand that you actually 
pull 
> the "gasket" out near the print head.  (My problem is that I can't 
> picture how the cartridge works, even with the photos I've seen.)
> 
> My first runs with the throw-away cartridges were stunning.  With 
how 

> fast this printer drinks the black ink, and how much I'm printing, 
> refillables are the only way to go.
> 
> Thanks.

> My first runs with the throw-away cartridges were stunning.  With how
> fast this printer drinks the black ink, and how much I'm printing,
> refillables are the only way to go.

Black and Cyan in my case. But hey, I'm not complaining. I have 4 oz
bottles :)

I've been printing liberally since I got it set up before Christmas. I'm
not sure how many prints, but a lot. The black and cyan are down to the
top of the labels on the bottles (probably about a centimeter). The
magenta is being used, but not even half as much. I couldn't even tell if
the yellow was budging until recently. It's behind the magenta in the race
to the bottom of the bottle.

I take MIS seriously when they say it (the CFS system) should be used
every day. With my R800 I think twice before printing out. Not with the
C86. Even when I'm to the point of buying a new set of bottles, it's not
going to cost me more than two Epson black cartridges over here (Sweden).

Daniel Ridings
http://www.dlridings.com/paw2004

> But I noticed that on my second black cart I used, the ink has lasted 
> MUCH longer.
> 
> 
> I'm now wondering if my first cart was bad? (I'm talking the pre-
> filled carts here.)

I had exactly the same experience. I did 6 or 7 nozzle checks and the black prefilled cart 
was empty.

"I did 6 or 7 nozzle checks and the black
prefilled cart
was empty."

Do you mean "cleanings"? Because nozzel checks don't use much ink at 
all. It's like printing a few words.

I did run about 8 cleaning cycles on that first cart. To no avail.

The best thing to do if you don't get a good nozzel check, is to let 
it sit a while before trying again.

Air is the biggest problem. Not ink clogging.

Live and learn, I always say!

Scott



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bjornaagedk" 
<reklamefoto@m...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > But I noticed that on my second black cart I used, the ink has 
lasted 
> > MUCH longer.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm now wondering if my first cart was bad? (I'm talking the pre-
> > filled carts here.)
> 
> I had exactly the same experience. I did 6 or 7 nozzle checks and 
the black prefilled cart 
> was empty.

I appreciate the comments on the refilling.  That's all kind of a 
mystery to me.  Can anyone confirm my suspicion that all the color 
cartridge inks are in fact the same, and that I only have to buy one 
pint to fill all three?

Matt

--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
<scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> 
> "I did 6 or 7 nozzle checks and the black
> prefilled cart
> was empty."
> 
> Do you mean "cleanings"? Because nozzel checks don't use much ink 
at 
> all. It's like printing a few words.
> 
> I did run about 8 cleaning cycles on that first cart. To no avail.
> 
> The best thing to do if you don't get a good nozzel check, is to 
let 
> it sit a while before trying again.
> 
> Air is the biggest problem. Not ink clogging.
> 
> Live and learn, I always say!
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bjornaagedk" 
> <reklamefoto@m...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > But I noticed that on my second black cart I used, the ink has 
> lasted 
> > > MUCH longer.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm now wondering if my first cart was bad? (I'm talking the 
pre-

> > > filled carts here.)
> > 
> > I had exactly the same experience. I did 6 or 7 nozzle checks and 
> the black prefilled cart 
> > was empty.

> ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the 
>exact same ink

The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the carts are
unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint bottle each
of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips for each
spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, accessed
from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked perfectly on the
C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't reset
correctly.

> ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the cartridge ...

I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of the
reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and add enough ink
to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole securely (but
without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I turn the cart
almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still sealed) is
accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so that the ink in
the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between the reservoir
and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the outlet.  I
want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it does not pull
air through that passage.

I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on it, and I
puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom fill adapter
with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified bottom fill
adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these poppet carts.
I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)

Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into the outlet,
with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a bit of ink out.
The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at the outlet and
can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I first start to
pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, and
hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right after
loading into the printer.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Please pardon the continuing stupid questions.  Is this "puncturing 
the seal" something obvious?  Puncturing the seal sounds fairly 
permanent and one-time for what are supposed to be refillable carts.  
Does the seal get punctured anyway when the cart is put in the 
printer? 

Other than that, I think I understand everything.  Off to order a set 
of refill carts, bulk ink, and syringes now!

Thanks,
Matt

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the 
> >exact same ink
> 
> The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the carts 
are
> unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint 
bottle each
> of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips 
for each
> spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, 
accessed
> from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked perfectly 
on the
> C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't 
reset
> correctly.
> 
> > ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the 
cartridge ...
> 
> I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of the
> reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and add 
enough ink
> to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole 
securely (but
> without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I turn 
the cart
> almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still sealed) is
> accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so that 
the ink in
> the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between the 
reservoir
> and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the 
outlet.  I
> want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it does 
not pull
> air through that passage.
> 
> I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on it, 
and I
> puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom 
fill adapter
> with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified 
bottom fill
> adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these 
poppet carts.
> I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)
> 
> Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into the 
outlet,
> with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a bit of 
ink out.
> The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at the 
outlet and
> can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I first 
start to
> pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, and
> hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right 
after

> loading into the printer.
> 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Matt,

>Is this "puncturing the seal" something obvious?  ...
>Does the seal get punctured anyway when the cart is 
>put in the printer? 

Yes to both.

Happy printing.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the 
> >exact same ink
> 
> The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the carts 
are
> unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint 
bottle each
> of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips 
for each
> spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, 
accessed
> from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked perfectly 
on the
> C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't 
reset
> correctly.
> 
> > ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the 
cartridge ...
> 
> I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of the
> reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and add 
enough ink
> to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole 
securely (but
> without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I turn 
the cart
> almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still sealed) is
> accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so that 
the ink in
> the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between the 
reservoir
> and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the 
outlet.  I
> want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it does 
not pull
> air through that passage.
> 
> I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on it, 
and I
> puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom 
fill adapter
> with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified 
bottom fill
> adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these 
poppet carts.
> I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)
> 
> Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into the 
outlet,
> with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a bit of 
ink out.
> The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at the 
outlet and
> can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I first 
start to
> pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, and
> hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right 
after
> loading into the printer.
> 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com





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Yes, the cellophane "seal" gets punctured anyways.

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "welchmatt" 
<welchmatt@y...> wrote:
> 
> Please pardon the continuing stupid questions.  Is this "puncturing 
> the seal" something obvious?  Puncturing the seal sounds fairly 
> permanent and one-time for what are supposed to be refillable 
carts.  
> Does the seal get punctured anyway when the cart is put in the 
> printer? 
> 
> Other than that, I think I understand everything.  Off to order a 
set 
> of refill carts, bulk ink, and syringes now!
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the 
> > >exact same ink
> > 
> > The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the 
carts 
> are
> > unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint 
> bottle each
> > of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips 
> for each
> > spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, 
> accessed
> > from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked 
perfectly 
> on the
> > C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't 
> reset
> > correctly.
> > 
> > > ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the 
> cartridge ...
> > 
> > I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of 
the
> > reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and add 
> enough ink
> > to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole 
> securely (but
> > without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I 
turn 
> the cart
> > almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still sealed) 
is
> > accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so that 
> the ink in
> > the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between 
the 
> reservoir
> > and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the 
> outlet.  I
> > want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it does 
> not pull
> > air through that passage.
> > 
> > I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on it, 
> and I
> > puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom 
> fill adapter
> > with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified 
> bottom fill
> > adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these 
> poppet carts.
> > I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)
> > 
> > Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into 
the 
> outlet,
> > with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a bit 
of 
> ink out.
> > The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at the 
> outlet and
> > can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I first 
> start to
> > pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, 
and

> > hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right 
> after
> > loading into the printer.
> > 
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com

So, one only needs to have 4 chipped carts and one bottle of ink to 
fill all four "positions?

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the 
> >exact same ink
> 
> The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the carts 
are
> unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint 
bottle each
> of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips 
for each
> spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, 
accessed
> from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked perfectly 
on the
> C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't 
reset
> correctly.
> 
> > ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the 
cartridge ...
> 
> I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of the
> reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and add 
enough ink
> to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole 
securely (but
> without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I turn 
the cart
> almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still sealed) is
> accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so that 
the ink in
> the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between the 
reservoir
> and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the 
outlet.  I
> want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it does 
not pull
> air through that passage.
> 
> I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on it, 
and I
> puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom 
fill adapter
> with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified 
bottom fill
> adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these 
poppet carts.
> I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)
> 
> Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into the 
outlet,
> with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a bit of 
ink out.
> The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at the 
outlet and
> can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I first 
start to
> pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, and
> hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right 
after

> loading into the printer.
> 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

From what I understand, not quite.  One warm or neutral bottle can be 
used to fill the three "color" positions.  You'll of course need a 
photo or eboni black bottle to fill the black position.

On another note, I ordered the high-capacity black refill cart.  Any 
downside to that?

Matt

--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
<scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> 
> So, one only needs to have 4 chipped carts and one bottle of ink to 
> fill all four "positions?
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the 
> > >exact same ink
> > 
> > The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the 
carts 
> are
> > unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint 
> bottle each
> > of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips 
> for each
> > spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, 
> accessed
> > from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked 
perfectly 
> on the
> > C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't 
> reset
> > correctly.
> > 
> > > ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the 
> cartridge ...
> > 
> > I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of 
the
> > reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and add 
> enough ink
> > to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole 
> securely (but
> > without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I 
turn 
> the cart
> > almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still sealed) 
is
> > accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so that 
> the ink in
> > the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between 
the 
> reservoir
> > and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the 
> outlet.  I
> > want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it does 
> not pull
> > air through that passage.
> > 
> > I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on it, 
> and I
> > puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom 
> fill adapter
> > with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified 
> bottom fill
> > adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these 
> poppet carts.
> > I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)
> > 
> > Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into 
the 
> outlet,
> > with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a bit 
of 
> ink out.
> > The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at the 
> outlet and
> > can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I first 
> start to
> > pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, 
and

> > hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right 
> after
> > loading into the printer.
> > 
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com

"One warm or neutral bottle can be 
> used to fill the three "color" positions."
 
O.K, I understand now.

"Any 
> downside to that?"

I think the high capacity black cart is the way to go.
I haven't heard anything negative about them. That's the one I'm 
going to use.


Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "welchmatt" 
<welchmatt@y...> wrote:
> 
> From what I understand, not quite.  One warm or neutral bottle can 
be 
> used to fill the three "color" positions.  You'll of course need a 
> photo or eboni black bottle to fill the black position.
> 
> On another note, I ordered the high-capacity black refill cart.  
Any 
> downside to that?
> 
> Matt
> 
> --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
> <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > So, one only needs to have 4 chipped carts and one bottle of ink 
to 
> > fill all four "positions?
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the 
> > > >exact same ink
> > > 
> > > The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the 
> carts 
> > are
> > > unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint 
> > bottle each
> > > of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare 
chips 
> > for each
> > > spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web 
page, 
> > accessed
> > > from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked 
> perfectly 
> > on the
> > > C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes 
don't 
> > reset
> > > correctly.
> > > 
> > > > ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the 
> > cartridge ...
> > > 
> > > I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of 
> the
> > > reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and 
add 
> > enough ink
> > > to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole 
> > securely (but
> > > without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I 
> turn 
> > the cart
> > > almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still 
sealed) 
> is
> > > accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so 
that 
> > the ink in
> > > the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between 
> the 
> > reservoir
> > > and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the 
> > outlet.  I
> > > want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it 
does 
> > not pull
> > > air through that passage.
> > > 
> > > I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on 
it, 
> > and I
> > > puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom 
> > fill adapter
> > > with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified 
> > bottom fill
> > > adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these 
> > poppet carts.
> > > I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)
> > > 
> > > Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into 
> the 
> > outlet,
> > > with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a 
bit 
> of 
> > ink out.
> > > The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at 
the 
> > outlet and
> > > can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I 
first 

> > start to
> > > pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, 
> and
> > > hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right 
> > after
> > > loading into the printer.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com

I just ordered everything I need to re-fill carts now.

I went with PK warm and warm, since I like the Epson Premium Luster 
and I'm planning on switching to Kirkland Glossy.

Now, I hope it gets here in 5 days like my last order!

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "welchmatt" 
<welchmatt@y...> wrote:
> 
> From what I understand, not quite.  One warm or neutral bottle can 
be 
> used to fill the three "color" positions.  You'll of course need a 
> photo or eboni black bottle to fill the black position.
> 
> On another note, I ordered the high-capacity black refill cart.  
Any 
> downside to that?
> 
> Matt
> 
> --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
> <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > So, one only needs to have 4 chipped carts and one bottle of ink 
to 
> > fill all four "positions?
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the 
> > > >exact same ink
> > > 
> > > The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the 
> carts 
> > are
> > > unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint 
> > bottle each
> > > of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare 
chips 
> > for each
> > > spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web 
page, 
> > accessed
> > > from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked 
> perfectly 
> > on the
> > > C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes 
don't 
> > reset
> > > correctly.
> > > 
> > > > ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the 
> > cartridge ...
> > > 
> > > I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of 
> the
> > > reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and 
add 
> > enough ink
> > > to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole 
> > securely (but
> > > without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I 
> turn 
> > the cart
> > > almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still 
sealed) 
> is
> > > accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so 
that 
> > the ink in
> > > the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between 
> the 
> > reservoir
> > > and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the 
> > outlet.  I
> > > want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it 
does 
> > not pull
> > > air through that passage.
> > > 
> > > I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on 
it, 
> > and I
> > > puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom 
> > fill adapter
> > > with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified 
> > bottom fill
> > > adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these 
> > poppet carts.
> > > I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)
> > > 
> > > Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into 
> the 
> > outlet,
> > > with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a 
bit 
> of 
> > ink out.
> > > The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at 
the 
> > outlet and
> > > can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I 
first 

> > start to
> > > pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, 
> and
> > > hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right 
> > after
> > > loading into the printer.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com

If so I have a lot of ink coming my way:-)
Talking about syringe and needles, I didn't order them. Can I use 
standard syringe and needle or do i need some special one?

thanks,
danny

> The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the carts are
> unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint bottle 
> each
> of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips for 
> each
> spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, 
> accessed
> from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked perfectly on 
> the
> C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't reset
> correctly.

The MIS syringes are just standard ones.  I use 10 cc sizes mostly.  The MIS
needles have dull ends and are not too thin, so that the ink flows through
them easily.  So, I'm sure you can find equivalent hardware close to you.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Twang [mailto:dannyt@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:05 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ANOTHER C86/EZ question, about refilling.


If so I have a lot of ink coming my way:-)
Talking about syringe and needles, I didn't order them. Can I use 
standard syringe and needle or do i need some special one?

thanks,
danny


> The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the carts are
> unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint bottle 
> each
> of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips for 
> each
> spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, 
> accessed
> from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked perfectly on 
> the
> C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't reset
> correctly.



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Could someone please provide me with the link for the MIS easy refill carts 
for the C86?  I am dizzy from moving around their site.
Thanks.

Barbara Woolner

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] ANOTHER C86/EZ question, about refilling.



> ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the
>exact same ink

The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the carts are
unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint bottle each
of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips for each
spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, accessed
from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked perfectly on the
C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't reset
correctly.

> ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the cartridge ...

I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of the
reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and add enough ink
to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole securely (but
without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I turn the cart
almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still sealed) is
accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so that the ink in
the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between the reservoir
and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the outlet.  I
want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it does not pull
air through that passage.

I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on it, and I
puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom fill adapter
with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified bottom fill
adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these poppet carts.
I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)

Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into the outlet,
with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a bit of ink out.
The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at the outlet and
can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I first start to
pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, and
hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right after
loading into the printer.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com





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>Could someone please provide me with the link for the MIS easy refill carts

>for the C86?  I am dizzy from moving around their site.

Here's a picture of one:
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c84refill.html

This is where they list the carts by part #:
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/epsonempty.html#C84

Of course, there is no way to know for sure if the numbers all relate to the
new carts or some older ones.   The fact that the re-fill instructions are
just for the new, good ones might be a clue.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

__________________________

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] ANOTHER C86/EZ question, about refilling.



> ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the
>exact same ink

The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the carts are
unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint bottle each
of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips for each
spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, accessed
from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked perfectly on the
C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't reset
correctly.

> ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the cartridge ...

I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of the
reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and add enough ink
to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole securely (but
without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I turn the cart
almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still sealed) is
accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so that the ink in
the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between the reservoir
and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the outlet.  I
want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it does not pull
air through that passage.

I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on it, and I
puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom fill adapter
with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified bottom fill
adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these poppet carts.
I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)

Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into the outlet,
with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a bit of ink out.
The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at the outlet and
can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I first start to
pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, and
hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right after
loading into the printer.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com





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Thanks, once again, Paul.
Barbara

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] ANOTHER C86/EZ question, about refilling.



>Could someone please provide me with the link for the MIS easy refill carts

>for the C86?  I am dizzy from moving around their site.

Here's a picture of one:
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/c84refill.html

This is where they list the carts by part #:
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/epsonempty.html#C84

Of course, there is no way to know for sure if the numbers all relate to the
new carts or some older ones.   The fact that the re-fill instructions are
just for the new, good ones might be a clue.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

__________________________

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] ANOTHER C86/EZ question, about refilling.



> ... wanted to confirm that the CMY cartridges all do use the
>exact same ink

The EZ gray inks are all the same density.  The chips for the carts are
unique to each "color" spot.  For example, I have just one pint bottle each
of EZ-Warm and EZ-Neutral.  However, I have a couple spare chips for each
spot.  Although the re-setter (modified as shown on my web page, accessed
from http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm ) has worked perfectly on the
C86 chips, on other printers I've found the chips sometimes don't reset
correctly.

> ... could you provide a bit more info on how you "prime" the cartridge ...

I first fill the new, empty cart through the hole at the top of the
reservoir.  I wait a while for the sponge to get soaked, and add enough ink
to almost fill the reservoir.  After I've "corked" the hole securely (but
without pushing the stopper down so far I can't remove it), I turn the cart
almost completely upside down, so that the outlet (still sealed) is
accessible and pointing up.  I tilt the cart just enough so that the ink in
the reservoir is still covering the connecting passage between the reservoir
and sponge-filled section.  The connection is very close to the outlet.  I
want ink there so that when I pull ink out of the outlet it does not pull
air through that passage.

I then use a syringe with a shortened bottom fill adapter on it, and I
puncture the seal over the cart outlet.  I use a regular bottom fill adapter
with the snout shortened to 7 mm.  (MIS also sells a modified bottom fill
adapter that it has put a small tube on, supposedly for these poppet carts.
I'm not sure you can puncture the seal with these, however.)

Once the seal is punctured, I push the bottom fill adapter into the outlet,
with the cart in the almost upside-down position, and pull a bit of ink out.
The hope is to pull the air bell out that is usually right at the outlet and
can require a lot of cleaning cycles to remove.  So, when I first start to
pull on the syringe, I get air.  Once the ink starts, I'm done, and
hopefully the cart will start with a perfect nozzle check right after
loading into the printer.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com





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Could you do us a favor, Scott. Could you list your order so we can get a
good idea about all the little details that we might forget. I would
appreciate it.

Question: Can the resetter reset even used Epson chips? If we have a few
empties lying around, can we rob them of their chips and reuse them?

Daniel Ridings
http://www.dlridings.com/paw2004

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, scott_now_coming wrote:

>
>
>
> I just ordered everything I need to re-fill carts now.
>
> I went with PK warm and warm, since I like the Epson Premium Luster
> and I'm planning on switching to Kirkland Glossy.
>
> Now, I hope it gets here in 5 days like my last order!
>
> Scott

I bought a pint each of PK-W and Cyan-W (c,m,y is the same ink, 
different chip).

A chip re-setter.

3- 30mm syringe
3- needle2
2 each- empty black (large version), cyan, magenta, and yellow re-
fillable clear cartridges.
1- bottom fill adapter to remove a bit of air from the bottom of cart 
after filling it with ink.


I'm not sure about the question you asked about the Epson chips.

Ask Paul, I'm sure he'll know.

I hope this helps,

Scott







--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Ridings 
<daniel.ridings@e...> wrote:
> Could you do us a favor, Scott. Could you list your order so we can 
get a
> good idea about all the little details that we might forget. I would
> appreciate it.
> 
> Question: Can the resetter reset even used Epson chips? If we have 
a few
> empties lying around, can we rob them of their chips and reuse them?
> 
> Daniel Ridings
> http://www.dlridings.com/paw2004
> 
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, scott_now_coming wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > I just ordered everything I need to re-fill carts now.
> >
> > I went with PK warm and warm, since I like the Epson Premium 
Luster

> > and I'm planning on switching to Kirkland Glossy.
> >
> > Now, I hope it gets here in 5 days like my last order!
> >
> > Scott

I've been lurking and gathering all of the info that I can regarding 
the MIS inks for the C86.

I'm probably going to go the same route, with respect to buying 
virgin cartidges.  I have a couple of questions...


Which needle did you get? (I didn't find the "needle2" on the site 
http://www.inksupply.com/accessory.cfm)

How do people puncture the outlet of the virgin cartridges? 
(consistent with Paul Roark's instructions on filling the 
cartridges)  Can the cartdridges just be inserted into the printer 
and then removed?


I'll probably get a pint of the UT-QUADPT-K and EZWRMPT-C (ref 
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/utez.html).


Well, I think thats it for now.

Thanks in advance


Roy


--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
<scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I bought a pint each of PK-W and Cyan-W (c,m,y is the same ink, 
> different chip).
> 
> A chip re-setter.
> 
> 3- 30mm syringe
> 3- needle2
> 2 each- empty black (large version), cyan, magenta, and yellow re-
> fillable clear cartridges.
> 1- bottom fill adapter to remove a bit of air from the bottom of 
cart 
> after filling it with ink.
> 
> 
> I'm not sure about the question you asked about the Epson chips.
> 
> Ask Paul, I'm sure he'll know.
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Ridings 
> <daniel.ridings@e...> wrote:
> > Could you do us a favor, Scott. Could you list your order so we 
can 
> get a
> > good idea about all the little details that we might forget. I 
would
> > appreciate it.
> > 
> > Question: Can the resetter reset even used Epson chips? If we 
have 
> a few
> > empties lying around, can we rob them of their chips and reuse 
them?

> > 
> > Daniel Ridings
> > http://www.dlridings.com/paw2004
> > 
> > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, scott_now_coming wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just ordered everything I need to re-fill carts now.
> > >
> > > I went with PK warm and warm, since I like the Epson Premium 
> Luster
> > > and I'm planning on switching to Kirkland Glossy.
> > >
> > > Now, I hope it gets here in 5 days like my last order!
> > >
> > > Scott