Digital BW, The Print

I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in December, and yes, once in 
a while I got some lines in it.


I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS checked in the driver. I 
had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe this could be some 
manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 the price of most 
glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing away a few sheets here and 
there. Minor stuff.

Claude
> 
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the problem with
the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in fact THE
PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is over
wellming (is that a word??) 

Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of paper
printing from one box after the other same scanned slide done this
morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first prints have
to be due to a flaw in the paper.

Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn defective Photo
paper????

Hmmm this could be interesting..

The second box of paper is totally beautiful.


Mark W.




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, claudej1@a... wrote:
> I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in December, and
yes, once in 
> a while I got some lines in it.
> 
> 
> I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS checked in the
driver. I 
> had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe this could
be some 
> manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 the price of
most 
> glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing away a few
sheets here and 

> there. Minor stuff.
> 
> Claude
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Glad you found the problem.

Please let us know what happens concerning returning the paper to 
Costco.


Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
<awahlster@a...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the problem 
with
> the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in fact THE
> PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is over
> wellming (is that a word??) 
> 
> Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of paper
> printing from one box after the other same scanned slide done this
> morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first prints 
have
> to be due to a flaw in the paper.
> 
> Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn defective Photo
> paper????
> 
> Hmmm this could be interesting..
> 
> The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
> 
> 
> Mark W.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, claudej1@a... 
wrote:
> > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in December, and
> yes, once in 
> > a while I got some lines in it.
> > 
> > 
> > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS checked in 
the
> driver. I 
> > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe this 
could
> be some 
> > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 the price 
of

> most 
> > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing away a few
> sheets here and 
> > there. Minor stuff.
> > 
> > Claude
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

does the paper seem to look and feel exacly the same? And are the boxes 
exactly the same? Might be a diferent paper, never know with costco. 
that is why we want to find out what it really is, before costco buys a 
diferent paper for thier box.
On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:22 PM, awahlster wrote:

>
>
>  Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the problem with
>  the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in fact THE
>  PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is over
>  wellming (is that a word??)
>
>  Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of paper
>  printing from one box after the other same scanned slide done this
>  morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first prints have
>  to be due to a flaw in the paper.
>
>  Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn defective Photo
>  paper????
>
>  Hmmm this could be interesting..
>
>  The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
>
>
>  Mark W.
>
>
>
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, claudej1@a... 
> wrote:
>  > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in December, and
>  yes, once in
>  > a while I got some lines in it.
>  >
>  >
>  > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS checked in the
>  driver. I
>  > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe this could
>  be some
>  > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 the price of
>  most
>  > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing away a few
>  sheets here and
>  > there. Minor stuff.
>  >
>  > Claude
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Well, After the girl got done WOWing at the sample photo's I took in
she made up a credit slip/card and I bought a new package I looked
through the pallet and bought from a different lot number I am about
to do some test prints to see if this one has an problems.

But they were real good about the return even thogh I had used at
least 20 sht's..

Mark W.






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:

> 
> Glad you found the problem.
> 
> Please let us know what happens concerning returning the paper to 
> Costco.
> 
> 
> Scott
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the problem 
> with
> > the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in fact THE
> > PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is over
> > wellming (is that a word??) 
> > 
> > Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of paper
> > printing from one box after the other same scanned slide done this
> > morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first prints 
> have
> > to be due to a flaw in the paper.
> > 
> > Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn defective Photo
> > paper????
> > 
> > Hmmm this could be interesting..
> > 
> > The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
> > 
> > 
> > Mark W.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, claudej1@a... 
> wrote:
> > > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in December, and
> > yes, once in 
> > > a while I got some lines in it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS checked in 
> the
> > driver. I 
> > > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe this 
> could
> > be some 
> > > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 the price 
> of
> > most 
> > > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing away a few
> > sheets here and 
> > > there. Minor stuff.
> > > 
> > > Claude
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The lot numbers on the two boxes I got were the same one good one with
the problems


Mark W.





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, Douglas Meeuwsen
<lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> does the paper seem to look and feel exacly the same? And are the boxes 
> exactly the same? Might be a diferent paper, never know with costco. 
> that is why we want to find out what it really is, before costco buys a 
> diferent paper for thier box.
> On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:22 PM, awahlster wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >  Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the problem
with
> >  the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in fact THE
> >  PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is over
> >  wellming (is that a word??)
> >
> >  Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of paper
> >  printing from one box after the other same scanned slide done this
> >  morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first prints
have
> >  to be due to a flaw in the paper.
> >
> >  Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn defective Photo
> >  paper????
> >
> >  Hmmm this could be interesting..
> >
> >  The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
> >
> >
> >  Mark W.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, claudej1@a... 
> > wrote:
> >  > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in December, and
> >  yes, once in
> >  > a while I got some lines in it.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS checked in the
> >  driver. I
> >  > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe this could
> >  be some
> >  > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 the
price of
> >  most
> >  > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing away a few
> >  sheets here and
> >  > there. Minor stuff.
> >  >
> >  > Claude
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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So, you have the "Swiss" paper WITHOUT the Epson logo on the back of 
the paper?

What about the box you returned?

Thanks,

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
<awahlster@a...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, After the girl got done WOWing at the sample photo's I took in
> she made up a credit slip/card and I bought a new package I looked
> through the pallet and bought from a different lot number I am about
> to do some test prints to see if this one has an problems.
> 
> But they were real good about the return even thogh I had used at
> least 20 sht's..
> 
> Mark W.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Glad you found the problem.
> > 
> > Please let us know what happens concerning returning the paper to 
> > Costco.
> > 
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the 
problem 
> > with
> > > the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in fact 
THE
> > > PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is over
> > > wellming (is that a word??) 
> > > 
> > > Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of paper
> > > printing from one box after the other same scanned slide done 
this
> > > morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first 
prints 
> > have
> > > to be due to a flaw in the paper.
> > > 
> > > Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn defective 
Photo
> > > paper????
> > > 
> > > Hmmm this could be interesting..
> > > 
> > > The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Mark W.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
claudej1@a... 
> > wrote:
> > > > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in December, 
and
> > > yes, once in 
> > > > a while I got some lines in it.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS checked 
in 
> > the
> > > driver. I 
> > > > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe this 
> > could
> > > be some 
> > > > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 the 
price 
> > of
> > > most 
> > > > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing away a 
few

> > > sheets here and 
> > > > there. Minor stuff.
> > > > 
> > > > Claude
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" <awahlster@a...> wrote:
>  
> Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the problem with
> the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in fact THE
> PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is over
> wellming (is that a word??) 
> 
> Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of paper
> printing from one box after the other same scanned slide done this
> morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first prints have
> to be due to a flaw in the paper.

And, from your other posts, I gather it's the same lot number and everything.

Here's a silly suggestion. I've seen things like this before. Usually having to do with one box or batch or pile of paper having a slightly higher moisture content than the other. High moisture contents (like we use to keep our epsons from clogging) are death on most papers. Softens the surface, and you get exactly the problems you're seeing. I bet if you dry the paper a bit (and yes, a blow dryer will work, if you do it sheet by sheet. You'll know when you've overdried) these problems will go away.

You might have a box that was at the top or bottom of the pile on the pallet in the cold, damp warehouse for long enough to build up some moisture content.

Or this theory might be totally off base.

Scott none of the paper has had any logo on the back.

the two boxes I bought yesterday were from the same lot number
(printed on the back of the box) One package has so far been fine
(made about 6 prints from it) the other at least the first 20 pieces
showed the problem faint line.

The second box while being on the same pallet (not knowing if it
arrived that way or not) Has a different lot number. This box
purchased as an exchange today has so far been perfect except the top
sheet had some little spots on it I didn't use it all others have been
perfect.

At this time I'm basically happy with the product I'm willing to
accept that there may be some quality issues but Costco has no problem
exchanging it so While it would be a problem if I was selling prints
on some schedual. But as I'm just doing this for fun.

Mark W.







--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:

> 
> 
> So, you have the "Swiss" paper WITHOUT the Epson logo on the back of 
> the paper?
> 
> What about the box you returned?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Well, After the girl got done WOWing at the sample photo's I took in
> > she made up a credit slip/card and I bought a new package I looked
> > through the pallet and bought from a different lot number I am about
> > to do some test prints to see if this one has an problems.
> > 
> > But they were real good about the return even thogh I had used at
> > least 20 sht's..
> > 
> > Mark W.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Glad you found the problem.
> > > 
> > > Please let us know what happens concerning returning the paper to 
> > > Costco.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the 
> problem 
> > > with
> > > > the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in fact 
> THE
> > > > PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is over
> > > > wellming (is that a word??) 
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of paper
> > > > printing from one box after the other same scanned slide done 
> this
> > > > morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first 
> prints 
> > > have
> > > > to be due to a flaw in the paper.
> > > > 
> > > > Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn defective 
> Photo
> > > > paper????
> > > > 
> > > > Hmmm this could be interesting..
> > > > 
> > > > The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Mark W.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
> claudej1@a... 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in December, 
> and
> > > > yes, once in 
> > > > > a while I got some lines in it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS checked 
> in 
> > > the
> > > > driver. I 
> > > > > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe this 
> > > could
> > > > be some 
> > > > > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 the 
> price 
> > > of
> > > > most 
> > > > > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing away a 
> few
> > > > sheets here and 
> > > > > there. Minor stuff.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Claude
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm expecting my bulk ink to arrive by Monday.

I plan on filling carts, installing them in the printer, running a 
few nozzel checks and the letting it sit for while I run to Costco to 
buy some KG.

I report my opinion after I make a print or two.

I'm ver excited towards the prospects of this paper.

Scott



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
<awahlster@a...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Scott none of the paper has had any logo on the back.
> 
> the two boxes I bought yesterday were from the same lot number
> (printed on the back of the box) One package has so far been fine
> (made about 6 prints from it) the other at least the first 20 pieces
> showed the problem faint line.
> 
> The second box while being on the same pallet (not knowing if it
> arrived that way or not) Has a different lot number. This box
> purchased as an exchange today has so far been perfect except the 
top
> sheet had some little spots on it I didn't use it all others have 
been
> perfect.
> 
> At this time I'm basically happy with the product I'm willing to
> accept that there may be some quality issues but Costco has no 
problem
> exchanging it so While it would be a problem if I was selling prints
> on some schedual. But as I'm just doing this for fun.
> 
> Mark W.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > So, you have the "Swiss" paper WITHOUT the Epson logo on the back 
of 
> > the paper?
> > 
> > What about the box you returned?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Well, After the girl got done WOWing at the sample photo's I 
took in
> > > she made up a credit slip/card and I bought a new package I 
looked
> > > through the pallet and bought from a different lot number I am 
about
> > > to do some test prints to see if this one has an problems.
> > > 
> > > But they were real good about the return even thogh I had used 
at
> > > least 20 sht's..
> > > 
> > > Mark W.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Glad you found the problem.
> > > > 
> > > > Please let us know what happens concerning returning the 
paper to 
> > > > Costco.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Scott
> > > > 
> > > > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > > > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the 
> > problem 
> > > > with
> > > > > the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in 
fact 
> > THE
> > > > > PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is 
over
> > > > > wellming (is that a word??) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of 
paper
> > > > > printing from one box after the other same scanned slide 
done 
> > this
> > > > > morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first 
> > prints 
> > > > have
> > > > > to be due to a flaw in the paper.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn 
defective 
> > Photo
> > > > > paper????
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hmmm this could be interesting..
> > > > > 
> > > > > The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mark W.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
> > claudej1@a... 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in 
December, 
> > and
> > > > > yes, once in 
> > > > > > a while I got some lines in it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS 
checked 
> > in 
> > > > the
> > > > > driver. I 
> > > > > > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe 
this 
> > > > could
> > > > > be some 
> > > > > > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 
the 
> > price 
> > > > of
> > > > > most 
> > > > > > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing 
away a 

> > few
> > > > > sheets here and 
> > > > > > there. Minor stuff.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Claude
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Scot a suggestion if you buy more then one box try a few sheets pread
throughout the stack to see if there is any problem that way you
aren't trying to return something weeks after you bought it.

Also the young lady said she would tag a note on the return report as
to why it was being returned she said that Costco because they are
basically suppilers to businesses they really take product quality to
heart especially when it is theor house brand.

Mark W.





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:

> 
> I'm expecting my bulk ink to arrive by Monday.
> 
> I plan on filling carts, installing them in the printer, running a 
> few nozzel checks and the letting it sit for while I run to Costco to 
> buy some KG.
> 
> I report my opinion after I make a print or two.
> 
> I'm ver excited towards the prospects of this paper.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Scott none of the paper has had any logo on the back.
> > 
> > the two boxes I bought yesterday were from the same lot number
> > (printed on the back of the box) One package has so far been fine
> > (made about 6 prints from it) the other at least the first 20 pieces
> > showed the problem faint line.
> > 
> > The second box while being on the same pallet (not knowing if it
> > arrived that way or not) Has a different lot number. This box
> > purchased as an exchange today has so far been perfect except the 
> top
> > sheet had some little spots on it I didn't use it all others have 
> been
> > perfect.
> > 
> > At this time I'm basically happy with the product I'm willing to
> > accept that there may be some quality issues but Costco has no 
> problem
> > exchanging it so While it would be a problem if I was selling prints
> > on some schedual. But as I'm just doing this for fun.
> > 
> > Mark W.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So, you have the "Swiss" paper WITHOUT the Epson logo on the back 
> of 
> > > the paper?
> > > 
> > > What about the box you returned?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Well, After the girl got done WOWing at the sample photo's I 
> took in
> > > > she made up a credit slip/card and I bought a new package I 
> looked
> > > > through the pallet and bought from a different lot number I am 
> about
> > > > to do some test prints to see if this one has an problems.
> > > > 
> > > > But they were real good about the return even thogh I had used 
> at
> > > > least 20 sht's..
> > > > 
> > > > Mark W.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Glad you found the problem.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please let us know what happens concerning returning the 
> paper to 
> > > > > Costco.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Scott
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > > > > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the 
> > > problem 
> > > > > with
> > > > > > the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in 
> fact 
> > > THE
> > > > > > PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is 
> over
> > > > > > wellming (is that a word??) 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of 
> paper
> > > > > > printing from one box after the other same scanned slide 
> done 
> > > this
> > > > > > morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first 
> > > prints 
> > > > > have
> > > > > > to be due to a flaw in the paper.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn 
> defective 
> > > Photo
> > > > > > paper????
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hmmm this could be interesting..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Mark W.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
> > > claudej1@a... 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in 
> December, 
> > > and
> > > > > > yes, once in 
> > > > > > > a while I got some lines in it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS 
> checked 
> > > in 
> > > > > the
> > > > > > driver. I 
> > > > > > > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I believe 
> this 
> > > > > could
> > > > > > be some 
> > > > > > > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 1/5 
> the 
> > > price 
> > > > > of
> > > > > > most 
> > > > > > > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing 
> away a 
> > > few
> > > > > > sheets here and 
> > > > > > > there. Minor stuff.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Claude
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's a good idea.

Something else while we're on the subject of Kirkland.

I'm bothered my a lot of people saying that this paper is 
manufactured by Ilford.

That just doesn't make sense to me.

From my understanding, Ilford doesn't sell any paper that even come 
close to the quality of this paper. Ilford, to my knowledge, doesn't 
sell an acid-free, buffered paper.

I think the best Ilford apaer are only good for about 20 yrs., max.

Last year a very talented professional photographer showed me a 
beautiful color portrait on Ilford paper. He even admitted it would 
only last about 10 yrs. It was printed on an Epson 1280.

If anyone knows for sure that Kirkland paper is made by Ilford, I'd 
like to know.

I want to contact Ilford about having it made and in other sizes, too.
Also, I understand it's great for color work (although, I'm mainly 
interested in B&W)

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
<awahlster@a...> wrote:
> 
> Scot a suggestion if you buy more then one box try a few sheets 
pread
> throughout the stack to see if there is any problem that way you
> aren't trying to return something weeks after you bought it.
> 
> Also the young lady said she would tag a note on the return report 
as
> to why it was being returned she said that Costco because they are
> basically suppilers to businesses they really take product quality 
to
> heart especially when it is theor house brand.
> 
> Mark W.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > I'm expecting my bulk ink to arrive by Monday.
> > 
> > I plan on filling carts, installing them in the printer, running 
a 
> > few nozzel checks and the letting it sit for while I run to 
Costco to 
> > buy some KG.
> > 
> > I report my opinion after I make a print or two.
> > 
> > I'm ver excited towards the prospects of this paper.
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Scott none of the paper has had any logo on the back.
> > > 
> > > the two boxes I bought yesterday were from the same lot number
> > > (printed on the back of the box) One package has so far been 
fine
> > > (made about 6 prints from it) the other at least the first 20 
pieces
> > > showed the problem faint line.
> > > 
> > > The second box while being on the same pallet (not knowing if it
> > > arrived that way or not) Has a different lot number. This box
> > > purchased as an exchange today has so far been perfect except 
the 
> > top
> > > sheet had some little spots on it I didn't use it all others 
have 
> > been
> > > perfect.
> > > 
> > > At this time I'm basically happy with the product I'm willing to
> > > accept that there may be some quality issues but Costco has no 
> > problem
> > > exchanging it so While it would be a problem if I was selling 
prints
> > > on some schedual. But as I'm just doing this for fun.
> > > 
> > > Mark W.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > So, you have the "Swiss" paper WITHOUT the Epson logo on the 
back 
> > of 
> > > > the paper?
> > > > 
> > > > What about the box you returned?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > Scott
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > > > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, After the girl got done WOWing at the sample photo's 
I 
> > took in
> > > > > she made up a credit slip/card and I bought a new package I 
> > looked
> > > > > through the pallet and bought from a different lot number I 
am 
> > about
> > > > > to do some test prints to see if this one has an problems.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But they were real good about the return even thogh I had 
used 
> > at
> > > > > least 20 sht's..
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mark W.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Glad you found the problem.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Please let us know what happens concerning returning the 
> > paper to 
> > > > > > Costco.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In 
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > > > > > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers 
the 
> > > > problem 
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is 
in 
> > fact 
> > > > THE
> > > > > > > PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence 
is 
> > over
> > > > > > > wellming (is that a word??) 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package 
of 
> > paper
> > > > > > > printing from one box after the other same scanned 
slide 
> > done 
> > > > this
> > > > > > > morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my 
first 
> > > > prints 
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > to be due to a flaw in the paper.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn 
> > defective 
> > > > Photo
> > > > > > > paper????
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hmmm this could be interesting..
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Mark W.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
> > > > claudej1@a... 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in 
> > December, 
> > > > and
> > > > > > > yes, once in 
> > > > > > > > a while I got some lines in it.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS 
> > checked 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > driver. I 
> > > > > > > > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I 
believe 
> > this 
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > be some 
> > > > > > > > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 
1/5 

> > the 
> > > > price 
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > most 
> > > > > > > > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing 
> > away a 
> > > > few
> > > > > > > sheets here and 
> > > > > > > > there. Minor stuff.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Claude
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Scott I'm only using it in color at this time I don't have my Epson
890 set up for MIS UT-2 inkset yet. I figured I would burn up the
factory ink on color stuff first get some back log printed and learn a
bit about all my new toys at the same time then tackle B&W

Mark W.

It has beautiful color in every way I can think of My next door
Nieghbor is a profesional printer for a school package lab and she was
very impressed when I showed her. She only does there high end optical
enlargement printing has for about 10 years now.




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:

> 
> That's a good idea.
> 
> Something else while we're on the subject of Kirkland.
> 
> I'm bothered my a lot of people saying that this paper is 
> manufactured by Ilford.
> 
> That just doesn't make sense to me.
> 
> From my understanding, Ilford doesn't sell any paper that even come 
> close to the quality of this paper. Ilford, to my knowledge, doesn't 
> sell an acid-free, buffered paper.
> 
> I think the best Ilford apaer are only good for about 20 yrs., max.
> 
> Last year a very talented professional photographer showed me a 
> beautiful color portrait on Ilford paper. He even admitted it would 
> only last about 10 yrs. It was printed on an Epson 1280.
> 
> If anyone knows for sure that Kirkland paper is made by Ilford, I'd 
> like to know.
> 
> I want to contact Ilford about having it made and in other sizes, too.
> Also, I understand it's great for color work (although, I'm mainly 
> interested in B&W)
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > Scot a suggestion if you buy more then one box try a few sheets 
> pread
> > throughout the stack to see if there is any problem that way you
> > aren't trying to return something weeks after you bought it.
> > 
> > Also the young lady said she would tag a note on the return report 
> as
> > to why it was being returned she said that Costco because they are
> > basically suppilers to businesses they really take product quality 
> to
> > heart especially when it is theor house brand.
> > 
> > Mark W.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm expecting my bulk ink to arrive by Monday.
> > > 
> > > I plan on filling carts, installing them in the printer, running 
> a 
> > > few nozzel checks and the letting it sit for while I run to 
> Costco to 
> > > buy some KG.
> > > 
> > > I report my opinion after I make a print or two.
> > > 
> > > I'm ver excited towards the prospects of this paper.
> > > 
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Scott none of the paper has had any logo on the back.
> > > > 
> > > > the two boxes I bought yesterday were from the same lot number
> > > > (printed on the back of the box) One package has so far been 
> fine
> > > > (made about 6 prints from it) the other at least the first 20 
> pieces
> > > > showed the problem faint line.
> > > > 
> > > > The second box while being on the same pallet (not knowing if it
> > > > arrived that way or not) Has a different lot number. This box
> > > > purchased as an exchange today has so far been perfect except 
> the 
> > > top
> > > > sheet had some little spots on it I didn't use it all others 
> have 
> > > been
> > > > perfect.
> > > > 
> > > > At this time I'm basically happy with the product I'm willing to
> > > > accept that there may be some quality issues but Costco has no 
> > > problem
> > > > exchanging it so While it would be a problem if I was selling 
> prints
> > > > on some schedual. But as I'm just doing this for fun.
> > > > 
> > > > Mark W.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, you have the "Swiss" paper WITHOUT the Epson logo on the 
> back 
> > > of 
> > > > > the paper?
> > > > > 
> > > > > What about the box you returned?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Scott
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > > > > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, After the girl got done WOWing at the sample photo's 
> I 
> > > took in
> > > > > > she made up a credit slip/card and I bought a new package I 
> > > looked
> > > > > > through the pallet and bought from a different lot number I 
> am 
> > > about
> > > > > > to do some test prints to see if this one has an problems.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But they were real good about the return even thogh I had 
> used 
> > > at
> > > > > > least 20 sht's..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Mark W.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Glad you found the problem.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Please let us know what happens concerning returning the 
> > > paper to 
> > > > > > > Costco.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In 
> > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" 
> > > > > > > <awahlster@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers 
> the 
> > > > > problem 
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is 
> in 
> > > fact 
> > > > > THE
> > > > > > > > PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence 
> is 
> > > over
> > > > > > > > wellming (is that a word??) 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package 
> of 
> > > paper
> > > > > > > > printing from one box after the other same scanned 
> slide 
> > > done 
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my 
> first 
> > > > > prints 
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > to be due to a flaw in the paper.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Well now shall we see if out local Costco will reurn 
> > > defective 
> > > > > Photo
> > > > > > > > paper????
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hmmm this could be interesting..
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The second box of paper is totally beautiful.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Mark W.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
> > > > > claudej1@a... 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I just printed about 1,400 sheets of this stuff in 
> > > December, 
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > yes, once in 
> > > > > > > > > a while I got some lines in it.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I had to print FAST, so I printed at 720 PPI with HS 
> > > checked 
> > > > > in 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > driver. I 
> > > > > > > > > had some sheets that did this and most didnt'. I 
> believe 
> > > this 
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > be some 
> > > > > > > > > manufacturing defects. However, since this paper is 
> 1/5 
> > > the 
> > > > > price 
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > most 
> > > > > > > > > glossy papers out there, I don't worry about throwing 
> > > away a 
> > > > > few
> > > > > > > > sheets here and 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster"
<awahlster@a...> wrote:
> 
> Scott I'm only using it in color at this time I don't have my Epson
> 890 set up for MIS UT-2 inkset yet. I figured I would burn up the
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Would the participants in this (and any other) thread try to get the
hang of trimming the excessive quotations in their replies? Please!

Thanks.

Phil