Digital BW, The Print

Lou Dina wrote:

> Download Roy's procedure from his QTR site. 
> Works like a dream. 

Obviously, I should have looked there first. :)

As I generally use other profile-building tools, I did not realize the
eye-1 software has the capability to use a non-standard target. I now
see how Roy has used this capability and a grayscale target to build a
grayscale to small-gamut-color profile, and I am impressed.

Thank you for pointing this out.

Richard Wolfson
Fine Art Photographer & Digital Imaging Consultant

Richard, you can make these soft proof profiles with any good
profiling package and standard targets. Though there may be some apps
that choke at such unexpected measured colors. Dan Culberston and
others started successfully doing this with Profiler Pro years ago. 
The advantage of using a neutral target is that it focuses on the
values most important to us, and not all the other unnecessary colors.
Since the target is so much smaller, printing and measuring for the
profile is very quick and easy.
I'm sure some of the expensive apps let you build and use custom
targets, but the EyeOne is much more affordable and handy for many
other tasks as well.
Regarding the questions in your previous post in this thread, these
profiles satisfy all the requirements you mention. This is indeed one
of the things color management is intended to do- accurately
characterize and display a system's output. It's the converting part
we're not utilizing.
Tyler


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wolfson"
<rw@r...> wrote:

> Lou Dina wrote:
> 
> > Download Roy's procedure from his QTR site. 
> > Works like a dream. 
> 
> Obviously, I should have looked there first. :)
> 
> As I generally use other profile-building tools, I did not realize the
> eye-1 software has the capability to use a non-standard target. I now
> see how Roy has used this capability and a grayscale target to build a
> grayscale to small-gamut-color profile, and I am impressed.
> 
> Thank you for pointing this out.
> 
> Richard Wolfson
> Fine Art Photographer & Digital Imaging Consultant

Okay, maybe this is a dumb question, but here goes.
Apologies in advance.

I have an X-Rite 810. I've only used it a few times, but 
I can get numbers out. I'm sitting here looking at a 
21-step grayscale printed through QTR.

Is there a way I can make a soft proof profile with the 
810 instead of the Eye-One?

-David


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" 
<tyler@t...> wrote:

> 
> Richard, you can make these soft proof profiles with any good
> profiling package and standard targets...

You also need some software that can create softproofs.  With the
Eye-One device I use the i1Match software to create the profiles.

Roy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Wroblewski" 
<dawroblewski@y...> wrote:

> 
> Okay, maybe this is a dumb question, but here goes.
> Apologies in advance.
> 
> I have an X-Rite 810. I've only used it a few times, but 
> I can get numbers out. I'm sitting here looking at a 
> 21-step grayscale printed through QTR.
> 
> Is there a way I can make a soft proof profile with the 
> 810 instead of the Eye-One?
> 
> -David
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" 
> <tyler@t...> wrote:
> > 
> > Richard, you can make these soft proof profiles with any good
> > profiling package and standard targets...