Digital BW, The Print

Saw that there where a new version of the Quadtone RIP with the 
possibility to preview the image. Anyone tried it yet?

/Jonas

Yes, I just loaded QTR 2.1.d last night on a W2K box for an Epson 
4000 printer and and got a "Error writing to Printer" in the Raw 
Log.  Could not print nothing and I tried all sorts of print 
settings ...  I did first uninstall my old ver. 2.1.b which worked 
fine before.

Roy or anyone i.e., any idea please let me know -- I'm real 
interested in getting the roll feed option working ...

Thanks,
SteveB 


--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jonassandersson" 
<jonas.andersson.hemma@h...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Saw that there where a new version of the Quadtone RIP with the 
> possibility to preview the image. Anyone tried it yet?
> 
> /Jonas

I had a similar problem, then checked “use batch files” and it started
printing.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: steveabrink [mailto:steveabrink@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:26 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The latest version om QuadTone RIP 2.1d, anyone
tried it?


Yes, I just loaded QTR 2.1.d last night on a W2K box for an Epson
4000 printer and and got a "Error writing to Printer" in the Raw
Log.  Could not print nothing and I tried all sorts of print
settings ...  I did first uninstall my old ver. 2.1.b which worked
fine before.

Roy or anyone i.e., any idea please let me know -- I'm real
interested in getting the roll feed option working ...

Thanks,
SteveB


--- In
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jonassandersson"
<jonas.andersson.hemma@h...> wrote:
>
>
> Saw that there where a new version of the Quadtone RIP with the
> possibility to preview the image. Anyone tried it yet?
>
> /Jonas





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John, don't see it -- where is the batch files selection located?
Thanks,
Steve 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" 
<moodymz3@y...> wrote:
> I had a similar problem, then checked "use batch files" and it 
started
> printing.
> 
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steveabrink [mailto:steveabrink@y...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:26 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The latest version om QuadTone RIP 2.1d, 
anyone

> tried it?
> 
> 
> Yes, I just loaded QTR 2.1.d last night on a W2K box for an Epson
> 4000 printer and and got a "Error writing to Printer" in the Raw
> Log.  Could not print nothing and I tried all sorts of print
> settings ...  I did first uninstall my old ver. 2.1.b which worked
> fine before.
> 
> Roy or anyone i.e., any idea please let me know -- I'm real
> interested in getting the roll feed option working ...
> 
> Thanks,
> SteveB
> 
> 
> --- In
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jonassandersson"
> <jonas.andersson.hemma@h...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Saw that there where a new version of the Quadtone RIP with the
> > possibility to preview the image. Anyone tried it yet?
> >
> > /Jonas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Under options of QTRgui v2.1.11

John

-----Original Message-----
From: steveabrink [mailto:steveabrink@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:47 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The latest version om QuadTone RIP 2.1d, anyone
tried it?


John, don't see it -- where is the batch files selection located?
Thanks,
Steve



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Yes I have. With my W2k/Eps2100 I can print with batch files, but not
without batch files. I have asked about this two times here in this
forum without getting any response.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhite
ThePrint/message/53736
It would be very interesting to know if someone has used it with
success and what it does to the prints.  
 \\ Ulf



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jonassandersson"
<jonas.andersson.hemma@h...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Saw that there where a new version of the Quadtone RIP with the 
> possibility to preview the image. Anyone tried it yet?
> 
> /Jonas

You can print without the batch files but it would be quite tedious 
to do for each print as you would have to type in a rather long 
command line which could possibly be longer than the command 
processor will allow from stdin.

In short just use the batch file method, I can't think of why you 
wouldn't want to.

Don Bryant

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ulfstr" 
<ust@h...> wrote:
> 
> Yes I have. With my W2k/Eps2100 I can print with batch files, but 
not
> without batch files. I have asked about this two times here in this
> forum without getting any response.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhite
> ThePrint/message/53736
> It would be very interesting to know if someone has used it with
> success and what it does to the prints.  
>  \\ Ulf
> 
> 
> 
> --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jonassandersson"

> <jonas.andersson.hemma@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Saw that there where a new version of the Quadtone RIP with the 
> > possibility to preview the image. Anyone tried it yet?
> > 
> > /Jonas

The reason you may not find a batch file setting is because it's not 
in the Ver 2.1d QTR download which has the 2.1.10 ver gui 
integrated... You need to load ver 2.1.11 off Stephen's site to get  
the batch mode setting. Sort of like a mystery novel...  

Happy to report that roll paper printing is working on the 4000 
printer.  So I don't have to make expensive print tests w/ 16 in. 
wide semi-matte does anyone know the custom paper setting to get as 
close to 16 in. width as possible...? 

Thanks in advance!
SteveB 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveabrink" 
<steveabrink@y...> wrote:
> 
> John, don't see it -- where is the batch files selection located?
> Thanks,
> Steve 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" 
> <moodymz3@y...> wrote:
> > I had a similar problem, then checked "use batch files" and it 
> started
> > printing.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: steveabrink [mailto:steveabrink@y...]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:26 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The latest version om QuadTone RIP 
2.1d, 

> anyone
> > tried it?
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, I just loaded QTR 2.1.d last night on a W2K box for an Epson
> > 4000 printer and and got a "Error writing to Printer" in the Raw
> > Log.  Could not print nothing and I tried all sorts of print
> > settings ...  I did first uninstall my old ver. 2.1.b which worked
> > fine before.
> > 
> > Roy or anyone i.e., any idea please let me know -- I'm real
> > interested in getting the roll feed option working ...
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > SteveB
> > 
> > 
> > --- In
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jonassandersson"
> > <jonas.andersson.hemma@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Saw that there where a new version of the Quadtone RIP with the
> > > possibility to preview the image. Anyone tried it yet?
> > >
> > > /Jonas
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sorry butI don't understand what you mean. I can't get QTRgui
to work
without batch-files. I have read the help-files without finding
anything. I have asked about this some times now and Stephen Billard
does not answer at all. I don't know why?  There must be an
answer if
there is something one can do, or not, to get the non batch to work. 
\\ Ulf





-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "donbga"
<dstevenbryant@m...> wrote:
> 
> You can print without the batch files but it would be quite tedious 
> to do for each print as you would have to type in a rather long 
> command line which could possibly be longer than the command 
> processor will allow from stdin.
> 
> In short just use the batch file method, I can't think of why you 
> wouldn't want to.
> 
> Don Bryant
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ulfstr" 
> <ust@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes I have. With my W2k/Eps2100 I can print with batch files, but 
> not
> > without batch files. I have asked about this two times here in
this

> > forum without getting any response.
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhite
> > ThePrint/message/53736
> > It would be very interesting to know if someone has used it with
> > success and what it does to the prints.  
> >  \\ Ulf
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jonassandersson"
> > <jonas.andersson.hemma@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Saw that there where a new version of the Quadtone RIP with the 
> > > possibility to preview the image. Anyone tried it yet?
> > > 
> > > /Jonas

What OS are you using? Does your filename contains non-ISO-8859-1
characters? Do you see things spooled to the printer at all? You are
using the .11 GUI, right? 

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ulfstr"
<ust@h...> wrote:

> 
> Sorry butI don't understand what you mean. I can't get QTRgui
> to work
> without batch-files. I have read the help-files without finding
> anything. I have asked about this some times now and Stephen Billard
> does not answer at all. I don't know why?  There must be an
> answer if
> there is something one can do, or not, to get the non batch to work. 
> \\ Ulf

> 
> Sorry butI don't understand what you mean. I can't get QTRgui
> to work
> without batch-files. 

The QTRGui.ini file doesn't seem to have an entry for the batch file 
name to be used. From that I would infer from that is that the 
quadtoneprint.bat file is required since it is probably refered to 
directly by QTRGui.exe code. I've scanned the file and found no 
direct ASCII reference to that name so that would be my guess.

Again why do you need it to work without using batch files?

Don Bryant

But, then, QTRgui v2.1.10 only prints through batch files, that's why the
option is not there. QTRgui version 2.1.11 has the option to print with or
without batch files. 
 
So far I have heard of two cases of people using Windows 2000 that can't
print except using batch files. I also believe that at least one person on
Windows 2000 has reported that printing without batch files works just fine.
 
I'd be curious about who is successful or not with the non-batch file
printing. Also include information about your system configuration and
printer. Maybe there will be a correlation.
 
 
-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: steveabrink [mailto:steveabrink@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:58 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QuadTone RIP 2.1d clarification...



The reason you may not find a batch file setting is because it's not 
in the Ver 2.1d QTR download which has the 2.1.10 ver gui 
integrated... You need to load ver 2.1.11 off Stephen's site to get  
the batch mode setting. Sort of like a mystery novel...  

Happy to report that roll paper printing is working on the 4000 
printer.  So I don't have to make expensive print tests w/ 16 in. 
wide semi-matte does anyone know the custom paper setting to get as 
close to 16 in. width as possible...? 

Thanks in advance!
SteveB 






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I thought I had answered you. You keep posting the same question, though.
 
I can't tell anything from the information you have given me other than you
have "killed" the ImageToRaster program before it has completed. I don't
know why it hasn't completed as it has not put anything into the log file.
 
I have no Windows 2000 system to test on. I know this works on Windows XP
and I believe that I have seen someone who said it worked on his Windows
2000 system. Unless enough people report working/not working with
configuration information, I doubt I will be able to figure out what is
different about your system.
 
-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: ulfstr [mailto:ust@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 1:44 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The latest version om QuadTone RIP 2.1d, anyone
tried it?



Sorry butI don't understand what you mean. I can't get QTRgui
to work
without batch-files. I have read the help-files without finding
anything. I have asked about this some times now and Stephen Billard
does not answer at all. I don't know why?  There must be an
answer if
there is something one can do, or not, to get the non batch to work. 
\\ Ulf





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The batch file is created on the fly and deleted once the printing has
finishes. Its name is generated by the Windows GetTempFileName function so
even I could not tell you what it is. 
 
The reason for wanting to print using Pipes (which is the alternative to
Batch files) is that batch files do nasty things to extended ligatures and
accented characters such as á, æ, ø, ö, ß, etc. Mostly, it changes them into
something in the US ASCII subset. So, if you happen to use name a file with
one of these characters, you can't print it using batch files.
 
-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: donbga [mailto:dstevenbryant@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:29 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The latest version om QuadTone RIP 2.1d, anyone
tried it?




> 
> Sorry butI don't understand what you mean. I can't get QTRgui
> to work
> without batch-files. 

The QTRGui.ini file doesn't seem to have an entry for the batch file 
name to be used. From that I would infer from that is that the 
quadtoneprint.bat file is required since it is probably refered to 
directly by QTRGui.exe code. I've scanned the file and found no 
direct ASCII reference to that name so that would be my guess.

Again why do you need it to work without using batch files?

Don Bryant






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> The batch file is created on the fly and deleted once the printing 
has
> finishes. Its name is generated by the Windows GetTempFileName 
function so
> even I could not tell you what it is. 
>  

Thanks,

Don Bryant

That isn't the point. In either batch mode or named pipe mode, QTRgui sets
up and passes all the parameters. You don't have to type anything. The
difference is how the System runs the programs. In batch file mode, QTRgui
creates a batch file and then the Windows Command window processes it. 
 
This leads to two potential problems. First, ligatures and accents are
stripped from file names. I know that this won't mean anything to native
English speakers, but our international colleagues find this a bit
restrictive.
 
Second, QTRgui can't tell what is happening on the run for each program. So,
if you get a failure in the printing program the other two programs may not
notice and just stay around in memory.
 
Named pipes lets QTRgui pass parameters without any interference. It also
lets it monitor the programs, report errors, and terminate programs as
necessary if there are problems.
 
You should not use the batch file method unless the named pipe method does
not work for you. And then, you should report that named pipes don't work
and describe you system configuration, etc. so that maybe we can find out
why. In theory, the only difference between the two methods is how the
programs are run, so if one works, both *should* work. If one doesn't work,
we need to find out what the difference was.
 
-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: donbga [mailto:dstevenbryant@...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:10 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The latest version om QuadTone RIP 2.1d, anyone
tried it?



You can print without the batch files but it would be quite tedious 
to do for each print as you would have to type in a rather long 
command line which could possibly be longer than the command 
processor will allow from stdin.

In short just use the batch file method, I can't think of why you 
wouldn't want to.

Don Bryant





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Steve,
I'm on w2k, dual Xeon CPU kernal.  Pipe mode does not work, batch does.

I'm not sure what info you would like to have?
If I turn on debug, it stops executing when the terminal "rawprint" comes
up, task manager goes to 100% idle, and nothing more ever happens.
If I click away rawprint, the log error is QuadToPrinter "No pages found"

If there is more information I can dig up, let us know.

When I run batch mode, QuadToPrinter runs at 100% on one cpu for what seems
like a very long time before the page actually begins spooling.  This is
printing the step-21.tiff file.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Billard [mailto:stephenb@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 6:10 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: QuadTone RIP 2.1d clarification...
I'd be curious about who is successful or not with the non-batch file
printing. Also include information about your system configuration and
printer. Maybe there will be a correlation.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'd like a couple of things.
 
First, from a command window, type SET>env.txt 
 
This will create a text file in the current directory named env.txt. Please
send me that file.
 
Second, run a print job in pipe mode. This will create a log file,
QTRLog.txt.
 
There will be three lines in the QTRgui part of the log. These are the
command lines for executing the QTR printing. Delete everything from the log
except for these three lines. Then place double quotation marks around the
executable names on each line--i.e. "c:\program
files\QuadToneRIP\bin\QuadToPrinter.exe"
 
Then place a vertical bar "|" at the end of each of the first two lines with
spaces before and after. Then delete the end of line character after each
vertical bar and space.
 
Now save this file as QTR.bat. It will be a batch file that should run your
print job. Run the batch file and see if it will print.
 
Let me know the results.
 
-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: John Moody [mailto:moodymz3@...] 
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 9:10 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: QuadTone RIP 2.1d clarification...


Steve,
I'm on w2k, dual Xeon CPU kernal.  Pipe mode does not work, batch does.

I'm not sure what info you would like to have?
If I turn on debug, it stops executing when the terminal "rawprint" comes
up, task manager goes to 100% idle, and nothing more ever happens.
If I click away rawprint, the log error is QuadToPrinter "No pages found"

If there is more information I can dig up, let us know.

When I run batch mode, QuadToPrinter runs at 100% on one cpu for what seems
like a very long time before the page actually begins spooling.  This is
printing the step-21.tiff file.

John




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Steve,
I sent the info directly to your email address.  Let me know if you did not
get it.

I don't know if it's relevant, but the programs show up in task manager as
.e, not .exe, for example quadtoprinter.e.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Billard [mailto:stephenb@...]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:40 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: QuadTone RIP 2.1d clarification...

I'd like a couple of things.

First, from a command window, type SET>env.txt

This will create a text file in the current directory named env.txt. Please
send me that file.

Second, run a print job in pipe mode. This will create a log file,
QTRLog.txt.

There will be three lines in the QTRgui part of the log. These are the
command lines for executing the QTR printing. Delete everything from the log
except for these three lines. Then place double quotation marks around the
executable names on each line--i.e. "c:\program
files\QuadToneRIP\bin\QuadToPrinter.exe"

Then place a vertical bar "|" at the end of each of the first two lines with
spaces before and after. Then delete the end of line character after each
vertical bar and space.

Now save this file as QTR.bat. It will be a batch file that should run your
print job. Run the batch file and see if it will print.

Let me know the results.

-Stephen
www.sbillard.org/Stephen



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Hello, I use a 1280 for BW with Ut2 inks. Great.
Since I got my new minolta maxxum 7 digital, I have had the urge to 
make a few COLOR prints. Something I never do. Anyways, I see that the 
C86 is great for BW with mis ez's, and so it must be a pretty good 
printer. My question is, How is it for color? All I want is good color 
easily on ONE kind of paper. dont care what it is. I just dont want to 
get into a color chase like i did on my epson 1200. Can the 86 give me 
a simply good color print with the epson driver, on a mac running OSX, 
on some kind of epson paper? Thanks in advance!, Doug M