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2005-01-11 by José Miguel Ferreira
Hi all, Epson carts are pretty expensive. Did anyone try other manufacturers like Keymax (http://www.keymax.co.uk <http://www.keymax.co.uk/> ) ? Are they fully compatible? What about quality? Would I notice a difference? Thanks! José [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-12 by Steven Karafyllakis
Hi Jose Most people on this list not using Epson (probaly a lot) use either the Cone Piezotone inks (B&W) or the MIS UC class B&W and color inks. MIS has a long track record supplying pigments that are proving to be as good and sometimes better than Epson's, and if you buy refillable carts, a chip resetter and bulk bottles, the difference in price is quite large, almost certainly worth shipping to Europe and UK. URL is: http://www.inksupply.com take a look around, if the math works for you, I think you'll find their products first rate Steve Karafyllakis PS: I have no affiliation with the company-just a satisfied user --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, José iguel Ferreira <jmf@j...> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Epson carts are pretty expensive. Did anyone try other manufacturers like > Keymax (http://www.keymax.co.uk <http://www.keymax.co.uk/> ) ? Are they
> fully compatible? What about quality? Would I notice a difference? > > > > Thanks! > > > > José > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-12 by José Miguel Ferreira
Thanks Steve, I thought about MIS (B&W) inks and expect to give them a try in the future, but before that commitment I must finish printing some work already started with Epson UC. B&W and colour. That's why I'm looking for "Epson clones" for the moment. I saw on the MIS website Chinese carts for the 2100/2200 for 5$... That's not much... They say these carts are as good as Epson originals. Any experience with third party carts out there? Thanks, José
-----Original Message----- From: Steven Karafyllakis [mailto:steve@...] Sent: mercredi, 12. janvier 2005 05:48 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson ink vs. clones Hi Jose Most people on this list not using Epson (probaly a lot) use either the Cone Piezotone inks (B&W) or the MIS UC class B&W and color inks. MIS has a long track record supplying pigments that are proving to be as good and sometimes better than Epson's, and if you buy refillable carts, a chip resetter and bulk bottles, the difference in price is quite large, almost certainly worth shipping to Europe and UK. URL is: http://www.inksupply.com take a look around, if the math works for you, I think you'll find their products first rate Steve Karafyllakis PS: I have no affiliation with the company-just a satisfied user --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, José Ťiguel Ferreira <jmf@j...> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Epson carts are pretty expensive. Did anyone try other manufacturers like > Keymax (http://www.keymax.co.uk <http://www.keymax.co.uk/> ) ? Are they > fully compatible? What about quality? Would I notice a difference? > > > > Thanks! > > > > José Š> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-01-12 by BKPhoto@aol.com
Jose- There will be differences. Even inks that are marketed as "virtual replacements" are not identical. However, how much this difference matters is difficult to say. If you are using custom printing profiles for a given printer, ink set and paper, it may matter a great deal. Bill Kennedy Associate Professor of Photocommunications St. Edward's University 512/448-8680 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-12 by José Miguel Ferreira
Well, I guess I am. I'm using QTR with a mix of curves specific to the ink and paper I use, but these curves are the ones provided with the installation. These curves seem to be very "flexible", I guess linearization is the word... I print by portfolios, or projects if you like, and I like these to share the same "vibe", particularly colour. If the colour would change with "identical" third-party inks, then I guess I'll finish what I started with the same ink set. Thank you for your help. José
-----Original Message----- From: BKPhoto@... [mailto:BKPhoto@...] Sent: mercredi, 12. janvier 2005 19:39 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson ink vs. clones Jose- There will be differences. Even inks that are marketed as "virtual replacements" are not identical. However, how much this difference matters is difficult to say. If you are using custom printing profiles for a given printer, ink set and paper, it may matter a great deal. Bill Kennedy Associate Professor of Photocommunications St. Edward's University 512/448-8680 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links