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I'm curious about the Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper that
Paul favors. I see it comes in rolls--and that's it. (I've
seen the premium semi-gloss.) I use a 2200, so none of the
current roll sizes are going to work for it, and in any 
case I'd like to check it out first.

(a) Does anyone know a vendor who'll provide a sample
cut from a roll?

(b) Any info on whether it will be coming out in
sheet format?

(c) Is it practical to cut rolls into sheets by hand, 
or does the curl interfere?

Thanks,
David

Why can't you get someone to cut a large roll into smaller sections?

If you want a sample why not approach Epson marketing direct

Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Wroblewski [mailto:dawroblewski@...]
> Sent: 07 February 2005 01:00
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Premium Semi-Matte
> 
> 
> 
> I'm curious about the Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper that
> Paul favors. I see it comes in rolls--and that's it. (I've
> seen the premium semi-gloss.) I use a 2200, so none of the
> current roll sizes are going to work for it, and in any
> case I'd like to check it out first.
> 
> (a) Does anyone know a vendor who'll provide a sample
> cut from a roll?
> 
> (b) Any info on whether it will be coming out in
> sheet format?
> 
> (c) Is it practical to cut rolls into sheets by hand,
> or does the curl interfere?
> 
> Thanks,
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"
<richard@r...> wrote:
> Why can't you get someone to cut a large roll into smaller sections?

I was hoping to find out if anyone knew of a vendor who 
might do just that. I can call a few at random and ask, 
but thought I'd get recommendations first, is all.

> If you want a sample why not approach Epson marketing direct
> 

Good idea--I suppose they must have samples. Thanks for the
suggestion. I tend to write off marketing depts for some reason,
so I hadn't considered this.

-david

I've never tried to get samples directly from Epson.  I would think they would not supply them.  A better bet would be to get some samples from a supplier.  Since this is roll only media, you may have to get it from a 'professional' supplier.
 
Tom Baker

David Wroblewski <dawroblewski@...> wrote:


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"
wrote:
> Why can't you get someone to cut a large roll into smaller sections?

I was hoping to find out if anyone knew of a vendor who 
might do just that. I can call a few at random and ask, 
but thought I'd get recommendations first, is all.

> If you want a sample why not approach Epson marketing direct
> 

Good idea--I suppose they must have samples. Thanks for the
suggestion. I tend to write off marketing depts for some reason,
so I hadn't considered this.

-david


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Try Exim-Vaios.  They custom cut various roll papers down from larger 
sizes to fit smaller printers like the 2200.  I haven't usedthem, but 
hear they will often cut rolls that aren't yet listed on their site.  
You may need to call them to discuss your needs.

http://tinyurl.com/5zgc2

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David 
Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"
> <richard@r...> wrote:
> > Why can't you get someone to cut a large roll into smaller 
sections?

> 
> I was hoping to find out if anyone knew of a vendor who 
> might do just that. I can call a few at random and ask, 
> but thought I'd get recommendations first, is all.
> 
> > If you want a sample why not approach Epson marketing direct
> > 
> 
> Good idea--I suppose they must have samples. Thanks for the
> suggestion. I tend to write off marketing depts for some reason,
> so I hadn't considered this.
> 
> -david

David Wroblewski wrote:
> 
> I'm curious about the Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper that
> Paul favors. I see it comes in rolls--and that's it. (I've
> seen the premium semi-gloss.) I use a 2200, so none of the
> current roll sizes are going to work for it, and in any 
> case I'd like to check it out first.
> 
> (a) Does anyone know a vendor who'll provide a sample
> cut from a roll?
> 

I don't, but if you're looking for someone to cut down a roll you might 
inquire of Exim Vaios.  They don't list premium semimatte in their 
custom-cutting section right now, but if enough users ask for it perhaps 
they'll add it.

http://www.eximvaios.com/catalog/default.php

One warning: if it's like the Epson Ultrasmooth that they cut down, it 
will come on a roll with a core size larger than the 2200 will handle, 
so you'll need to hand cut from their size, or make your own mounting 
brackets (possibly wall-attached).

> (b) Any info on whether it will be coming out in
> sheet format?

Epson doesn't say anything about a sheet format on their site.

Of course, for a long time the site claimed they would produce 
Ultrasmooth in sheet form, and their sales department claimed it would 
be out in December.  Now the site still says it's available in sheets, 
but doesn't list any sheet sizes as available (nor as forthcoming).
> 
> (c) Is it practical to cut rolls into sheets by hand, 
> or does the curl interfere?

With the Ultrasmooth I could cut it, but then it still had a strong 
curl.  I had to reverse curl it overnight, then I could flatten it under 
weights.

I don't know whether that would be needed for semimatte.

	Walt

Thanks to everyone for the pointers to Exim Vaios. Just
the sort of place I was wondering about.

> 
> With the Ultrasmooth I could cut it, but then it still had a strong 
> curl.  I had to reverse curl it overnight, then I could flatten 
> it under weights.
> 

What was your technique for reverse-curling? 

Thanks,
david

On 2/7/2005 7:59 AM, David Wroblewski wrote:
>>With the Ultrasmooth I could cut it, but then it still had a strong 
>>curl.  I had to reverse curl it overnight, then I could flatten 
>>it under weights.
>>
> 
> 
> What was your technique for reverse-curling? 

I just rolled the cut sheets the other direction by hand, to about the 
same roll inner diameter as they had originally, and used rubber bands 
to hold them that way overnight.  (Yes, this isn't very archival, but it 
was just overnight.  I might improve that technique using heavy cotton 
thread, I suppose).

	Walt

I wouldn't recommend this procedure for EPSM.  This paper is relatively 
thin and requires care in handling or it will kink very easily.

On Feb 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Walter Farrell wrote:

>
> On 2/7/2005 7:59 AM, David Wroblewski wrote:
>>> With the Ultrasmooth I could cut it, but then it still had a strong
>>> curl.  I had to reverse curl it overnight, then I could flatten
>>> it under weights.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What was your technique for reverse-curling?
>
> I just rolled the cut sheets the other direction by hand, to about the
> same roll inner diameter as they had originally, and used rubber bands
> to hold them that way overnight.  (Yes, this isn't very archival, but 
> it
> was just overnight.  I might improve that technique using heavy cotton
> thread, I suppose).
>
> 	Walt
>
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I just ordered a 44" x 100 ft roll of Epson Premium Semimatte, split into two 17 inch rolls 
plus left over 9+ inch roll from Exim Vaios.  They charge $5 per cut, so cost of a roll plus 
$10 in this case.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Wroblewski" 
<dawroblewski@y...> wrote:

> 
> I'm curious about the Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper that
> Paul favors. I see it comes in rolls--and that's it. (I've
> seen the premium semi-gloss.) I use a 2200, so none of the
> current roll sizes are going to work for it, and in any 
> case I'd like to check it out first.
> 
> (a) Does anyone know a vendor who'll provide a sample
> cut from a roll?
> 
> (b) Any info on whether it will be coming out in
> sheet format?
> 
> (c) Is it practical to cut rolls into sheets by hand, 
> or does the curl interfere?
> 
> Thanks,
> David

"David Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@y...> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious about the Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper that
> Paul favors. I see it comes in rolls--and that's it. (I've
> seen the premium semi-gloss.) I use a 2200, so none of the
> current roll sizes are going to work for it, and in any 
> case I'd like to check it out first.

> 
> (b) Any info on whether it will be coming out in
> sheet format?

this was just posted on the Epson Wide Format group:

From:  "John Massman" <Jmassman@l...>
Date:  Mon Feb 7, 2005  10:25 am
Subject:  New Epson papers sizes shipping soon


Well folks it took a while (too long) but Epson has finally informed
us that
several new sizes of paper will be shipping in the next few days. They are
as follows:


Premium Luster Photo Paper (250) 17" x 22" (25 sheets)
Availability: February 11, 2005
Product code: S041828
MSRP: $89.95

Premium Semimatte Photo Paper (250) 17" x 22" (25 sheets)
Availability: February 11, 2005
Product code: S041827
MSRP: $89.95

The 17x22 inch sheets are convenient, but I wonder if they increased 
the basis weight for semimatte sheets as well to improve handling (the 
250 gsm roll stuff kinks easily).  Price per 17x22 inch sheet is also 
quite a bit more than using it in rolls.  Estimate about $3.50/sheet 
pre-cut vs $1.85/sheet cut from roll (Based on cost of a 44 inch roll 
cut into two 17 inch rolls).

On Feb 7, 2005, at 1:19 PM, brucenorikane wrote:

>
>
>  "David Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@y...> wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious about the Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper that
>> Paul favors. I see it comes in rolls--and that's it. (I've
>> seen the premium semi-gloss.) I use a 2200, so none of the
>> current roll sizes are going to work for it, and in any
>> case I'd like to check it out first.
>
>>
>> (b) Any info on whether it will be coming out in
>> sheet format?
>
> this was just posted on the Epson Wide Format group:
>
> From:  "John Massman" <Jmassman@l...>
> Date:  Mon Feb 7, 2005  10:25 am
> Subject:  New Epson papers sizes shipping soon
>
>
> Well folks it took a while (too long) but Epson has finally informed
> us that
> several new sizes of paper will be shipping in the next few days. They 
> are
> as follows:
>
>
> Premium Luster Photo Paper (250) 17" x 22" (25 sheets)
> Availability: February 11, 2005
> Product code: S041828
> MSRP: $89.95
>
> Premium Semimatte Photo Paper (250) 17" x 22" (25 sheets)
> Availability: February 11, 2005
> Product code: S041827
> MSRP: $89.95

The beta 17 x 22 PSM I have also kinks easily.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Schofield [mailto:scho@...] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:08 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Premium Semi-Matte


The 17x22 inch sheets are convenient, but I wonder if they increased 
the basis weight for semimatte sheets as well to improve handling (the 
250 gsm roll stuff kinks easily).  Price per 17x22 inch sheet is also 
quite a bit more than using it in rolls.  Estimate about $3.50/sheet 
pre-cut vs $1.85/sheet cut from roll (Based on cost of a 44 inch roll 
cut into two 17 inch rolls).

On Feb 7, 2005, at 1:19 PM, brucenorikane wrote:

>
>
>  "David Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@y...> wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious about the Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper that
>> Paul favors. I see it comes in rolls--and that's it. (I've
>> seen the premium semi-gloss.) I use a 2200, so none of the
>> current roll sizes are going to work for it, and in any
>> case I'd like to check it out first.
>
>>
>> (b) Any info on whether it will be coming out in
>> sheet format?
>
> this was just posted on the Epson Wide Format group:
>
> From:  "John Massman" <Jmassman@l...>
> Date:  Mon Feb 7, 2005  10:25 am
> Subject:  New Epson papers sizes shipping soon
>
>
> Well folks it took a while (too long) but Epson has finally informed
> us that
> several new sizes of paper will be shipping in the next few days. They 
> are
> as follows:
>
>
> Premium Luster Photo Paper (250) 17" x 22" (25 sheets)
> Availability: February 11, 2005
> Product code: S041828
> MSRP: $89.95
>
> Premium Semimatte Photo Paper (250) 17" x 22" (25 sheets)
> Availability: February 11, 2005
> Product code: S041827
> MSRP: $89.95




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Carl Schofield wrote:
> I wouldn't recommend this procedure for EPSM.  This paper is relatively 
> thin and requires care in handling or it will kink very easily.

If it's thin then (I presume) it probably doesn't need the 
reverse-curling procedure that the Epson Ultrasmooth needs.  Thanks for 
the info, Carl.  I have never seen EPSM.

	Walt

It is not just that it is thin, it is also quite stiff and will curl, 
but trying to reverse curl it would probably be difficult without 
getting kinking problems.

Carl

On Feb 7, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Walt Farrell wrote:

>
> Carl Schofield wrote:
>> I wouldn't recommend this procedure for EPSM.  This paper is 
>> relatively
>> thin and requires care in handling or it will kink very easily.
>
> If it's thin then (I presume) it probably doesn't need the
> reverse-curling procedure that the Epson Ultrasmooth needs.  Thanks for
> the info, Carl.  I have never seen EPSM.
>
> 	Walt
>
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David,

The Proof Line Semi-Matte DP is similar to the Epson Semi-Matte, and it's
available in sheet sizes. It works very well with the UC inks.  Go to
http://www.adventurecamphoto.com/photopapers.htm for sizes and pricing.  We
have a photo sample pack available that contains two sheets of five
different papers including the semi-matte.


Michael J. Pach
Owner
AdventureCam Photo
Proof Line Ink Jet Paper & Media
719-260-6637
www.adventurecamphoto.com


I'm curious about the Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper that

Paul favors. I see it comes in rolls--and that's it. (I've

seen the premium semi-gloss.) I use a 2200, so none of the

current roll sizes are going to work for it, and in any

case I'd like to check it out first.

(a) Does anyone know a vendor who'll provide a sample

cut from a roll?

(b) Any info on whether it will be coming out in

sheet format?

(c) Is it practical to cut rolls into sheets by hand,

or does the curl interfere?

Thanks,

David

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A consolidated thanks to everyone who has contributed ideas and
information on this thread. Very helpful.

I'm presuming (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that feeding a 
"curly" sheet cut from a roll into my 2200 is going to be an 
exercise in frustration, so *not* decurling ain't an option. 
Right?

Maybe the solution for a small-timer like me is to buy a 
box of 11x17, even though it is costly compared to the roll. 
(Doubly so, given the waste involved in using it on a 
13x19 printer.) But at least I'll have that option in a few days.

-david


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:

> The beta 17 x 22 PSM I have also kinks easily.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
>

I used a few rolls of 4" paper in my 2200 to print Christmas pics of my daughter in 2003.  
As far as I know, some still haven't flattened out yet.  The only thing I'm now buying in 
rolls is the canvas.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Wroblewski" 

> I'm presuming (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that feeding a 
> "curly" sheet cut from a roll into my 2200 is going to be an 
> exercise in frustration, so *not* decurling ain't an option. 
> Right?