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Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-14 by Louis Dina

I know this has been discussed before.  I am printing on various fine 
art Matte papers...Photorag, EEM, Somerset, Moab Fine Art, etc.  I 
would love to know what people like to use to protect, develop Dmax 
and increase depth.  I'm also interested in different surface 
treatments (I don't really want to laminate).  I have tried 
PremierArt Print Guard and like it on glossy and semigloss papers, 
but not particularly well on matte papers.

Any great results on these papers with a specific treatment?

Thanks,

Lou

RE: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Paul Roark

>... on various fine art Matte papers...
> would love to know what people like to use to protect,

The most effective protection is glass or acrylic.

To protect matte paper at least a little, I use Lascaux Fixative solvent
based spray.  

The water-borne coatings can protect matte paper better, but I don't like
using them.


> develop Dmax 

On matte paper water-borne coatings can do this.  I don't recommend these
for most people, however.


>...I have tried PremierArt Print Guard and like it on glossy 
>and semigloss papers, but not particularly well on matte papers.

I agree.

>Any great results on these papers with a specific treatment?

My current favorite is PremierArt Print Shield sprayed onto Epson Premium
Semimatte.  For serious matte work, I always display under glass.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Louis Dina

Thanks, Paul.  

Print Shield is nice on the glossy and semigloss papers.  I guess I 
will just continue to put my good matte prints behind glass, which 
really does make a huge difference in appearance, as well as 
protection.

Thanks,

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> 
> >... on various fine art Matte papers...
> > would love to know what people like to use to protect,
> 
> The most effective protection is glass or acrylic.
> 
> To protect matte paper at least a little, I use Lascaux Fixative 
solvent
> based spray.  
> 
> The water-borne coatings can protect matte paper better, but I 
don't like
> using them.
> 
> 
> > develop Dmax 
> 
> On matte paper water-borne coatings can do this.  I don't recommend 
these
> for most people, however.
> 
> 
> >...I have tried PremierArt Print Guard and like it on glossy 
> >and semigloss papers, but not particularly well on matte papers.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> >Any great results on these papers with a specific treatment?
> 
> My current favorite is PremierArt Print Shield sprayed onto Epson 
Premium
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> Semimatte.  For serious matte work, I always display under glass.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Peter Gorwin

Could you recommend a lacquer that protects against oxygenation, UV 
rays, and also varnishes the paper
to the extent that it evenly covers bronzing?  Thanks, Peter Gorwin

On Feb 14, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

  > would love to know what people like to use to protect,

  The most effective protection is glass or acrylic.
  . . . My current favorite is PremierArt Print Shield sprayed onto 
Epson Premium
  Semimatte.  For serious matte work, I always display under glass.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com






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RE: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Paul Roark

>Could you recommend a lacquer that protects against oxygenation,

I wish.  I don't think any of them can act as oxygen barriers.

> UV rays,

Many can do this.  I suspect this is what allows the PremierArt coatings to
extend the display lives of UltraChrome prints.

> and also varnishes the paper
>to the extent that it evenly covers bronzing? 

I use the PremierArt Print Shield for this.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

_____________________________


On Feb 14, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

  > would love to know what people like to use to protect,

  The most effective protection is glass or acrylic.
  . . . My current favorite is PremierArt Print Shield sprayed onto 
Epson Premium
  Semimatte.  For serious matte work, I always display under glass.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com






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RE: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Arthur Fink

At 11:15 PM 2/14/2005, Paul Roark wrote:

> > UV rays,
>
>Many can do this.  I suspect this is what allows the PremierArt coatings to
>extend the display lives of UltraChrome prints.
>
> > and also varnishes the paper
> >to the extent that it evenly covers bronzing?
>
>I use the PremierArt Print Shield for this.

Would you also use Print Shield on black and white prints made with UT-FS 
inks?  Aside from any archival improvements, do you see any change in 
tonality, dmax, etc?



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Re: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Louis Dina

Arthur,

I have use PremierArt Print Shield on glossy and semi-gloss B&W 
prints.  It increases the Dmax somewhat.  If you spray on a few coats 
you will end up with a glossy appearance.  If you use lighter coats, 
it can be a little lower glossy, but you may end up with a mottled 
appearance if you don't get adequate coverage.  Then you simply spray 
on a little more.

Lou

> Would you also use Print Shield on black and white prints made with 
UT-FS inks?  Aside from any archival improvements, do you see any 
change in tonality, dmax, etc?

RE: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Paul Roark

Arthur,

>At 11:15 PM 2/14/2005, Paul Roark wrote:

>> > UV rays,
>
>>Many can do this.  
>>I suspect this is what allows the PremierArt coatings to
>>extend the display lives of UltraChrome prints.
>
> >> and also varnishes the paper
> >>to the extent that it evenly covers bronzing?
>
>>I use the PremierArt Print Shield for this.

>Would you also use Print Shield on black and white prints 
>made with UT-FS inks?

Yes.  I have the UT-FSN+ inkset in my 7500 and routinely spray the Epson
Premium Semimatte prints.  I use 4 light coats, sprayed using different
sweeps (horizontal, vertical, & 2 diagonals) to get a very even coating.

As Lou noted, it changes the appearance slightly.  I find it a significant
overall improvement -- no bronzing and better dmax being the most important
visual changes.  The changes are not enough that I make a separate curve for
coated as opposed to uncoated prints.  (With water-based coatings I found I
did need separate curves.  The water-borne coating just are not worth all
the trouble, in my view.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Carl Schofield

I just received a flyer from IJG announcing that PremierArt is 
releasing a new water based coating at PMA,  "EcoPrintShield":

  All current users of PrintShield, Premier has made a new aquios based 
protective spray. They are currently testing the product, but expect 
great results for the archival qualities! This product will be 
available soon, and it will be introduced at PMA. Look for the Premier 
Art booth if you are attending.

On Feb 15, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Paul Roark wrote:

>
> Arthur,
>
>> At 11:15 PM 2/14/2005, Paul Roark wrote:
>
>>>> UV rays,
>>
>>> Many can do this.
>>> I suspect this is what allows the PremierArt coatings to
>>> extend the display lives of UltraChrome prints.
>>
>>>> and also varnishes the paper
>>>> to the extent that it evenly covers bronzing?
>>
>>> I use the PremierArt Print Shield for this.
>
>> Would you also use Print Shield on black and white prints
>> made with UT-FS inks?
>
> Yes.  I have the UT-FSN+ inkset in my 7500 and routinely spray the 
> Epson
> Premium Semimatte prints.  I use 4 light coats, sprayed using different
> sweeps (horizontal, vertical, & 2 diagonals) to get a very even 
> coating.
>
> As Lou noted, it changes the appearance slightly.  I find it a 
> significant
> overall improvement -- no bronzing and better dmax being the most 
> important
> visual changes.  The changes are not enough that I make a separate 
> curve for
> coated as opposed to uncoated prints.  (With water-based coatings I 
> found I
> did need separate curves.  The water-borne coating just are not worth 
> all
> the trouble, in my view.)
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
  

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RE: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Paul Roark

Carl,

>... announcing that PremierArt is 
>releasing a new water based coating at PMA,  "EcoPrintShield":

>  All current users of PrintShield, Premier has made a new aquios based 
>protective spray. They are currently testing the product, but expect 
>great results for the archival qualities! This product will be 
>available soon, and it will be introduced at PMA. Look for the Premier 
>Art booth if you are attending.

I have some beta Eco Print Shield.  It seems better than any other
water-borne coating I've used.  For example, there is at least one Wilhelm
test that has used a version of it with success.  However, I've never been
able to get smooth coats on larger prints with these water-borne coatings.
Until someone finds an easy way to get a smooth application, I'm going to
stick to the aerosol, solvent-based Print Shield.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

_________________________________




On Feb 15, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Paul Roark wrote:

>
> Arthur,
>
>> At 11:15 PM 2/14/2005, Paul Roark wrote:
>
>>>> UV rays,
>>
>>> Many can do this.
>>> I suspect this is what allows the PremierArt coatings to
>>> extend the display lives of UltraChrome prints.
>>
>>>> and also varnishes the paper
>>>> to the extent that it evenly covers bronzing?
>>
>>> I use the PremierArt Print Shield for this.
>
>> Would you also use Print Shield on black and white prints
>> made with UT-FS inks?
>
> Yes.  I have the UT-FSN+ inkset in my 7500 and routinely spray the 
> Epson
> Premium Semimatte prints.  I use 4 light coats, sprayed using different
> sweeps (horizontal, vertical, & 2 diagonals) to get a very even 
> coating.
>
> As Lou noted, it changes the appearance slightly.  I find it a 
> significant
> overall improvement -- no bronzing and better dmax being the most 
> important
> visual changes.  The changes are not enough that I make a separate 
> curve for
> coated as opposed to uncoated prints.  (With water-based coatings I 
> found I
> did need separate curves.  The water-borne coating just are not worth 
> all
> the trouble, in my view.)
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
  

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Re: [Digital BW] Coatings for Matte Prints

2005-02-15 by Carl Schofield

Thanks Paul.  Guess I'll stick with the old PrintShield.

Carl
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Feb 15, 2005, at 11:37 AM, Paul Roark wrote:

>
> Carl,
>
>> ... announcing that PremierArt is
>> releasing a new water based coating at PMA,  "EcoPrintShield":
>
>>  All current users of PrintShield, Premier has made a new aquios based
>> protective spray. They are currently testing the product, but expect
>> great results for the archival qualities! This product will be
>> available soon, and it will be introduced at PMA. Look for the Premier
>> Art booth if you are attending.
>
> I have some beta Eco Print Shield.  It seems better than any other
> water-borne coating I've used.  For example, there is at least one 
> Wilhelm
> test that has used a version of it with success.  However, I've never 
> been
> able to get smooth coats on larger prints with these water-borne 
> coatings.
> Until someone finds an easy way to get a smooth application, I'm going 
> to
> stick to the aerosol, solvent-based Print Shield.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> _________________________________
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Paul Roark wrote:
>
>>
>> Arthur,
>>
>>> At 11:15 PM 2/14/2005, Paul Roark wrote:
>>
>>>>> UV rays,
>>>
>>>> Many can do this.
>>>> I suspect this is what allows the PremierArt coatings to
>>>> extend the display lives of UltraChrome prints.
>>>
>>>>> and also varnishes the paper
>>>>> to the extent that it evenly covers bronzing?
>>>
>>>> I use the PremierArt Print Shield for this.
>>
>>> Would you also use Print Shield on black and white prints
>>> made with UT-FS inks?
>>
>> Yes.  I have the UT-FSN+ inkset in my 7500 and routinely spray the
>> Epson
>> Premium Semimatte prints.  I use 4 light coats, sprayed using 
>> different
>> sweeps (horizontal, vertical, & 2 diagonals) to get a very even
>> coating.
>>
>> As Lou noted, it changes the appearance slightly.  I find it a
>> significant
>> overall improvement -- no bronzing and better dmax being the most
>> important
>> visual changes.  The changes are not enough that I make a separate
>> curve for
>> coated as opposed to uncoated prints.  (With water-based coatings I
>> found I
>> did need separate curves.  The water-borne coating just are not worth
>> all
>> the trouble, in my view.)
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com

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