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2005-02-17 by K.A.H.
Hi everyone, I'm new here. Anyone out there have any experience with the Lyson Daylight Darkroom system? I've had the chance to play around with it a little, (Epson 2200 w/the DD software), and I'm very impressed. It's truly a very viable, workable solution to producing neutral B&W's. Anyone else??
2005-02-17 by Carl Schofield
Does the metamerism bother you in the LDD prints? I have a sample print that looked a little greenish in daylight, but relatively neutral under tungsten. I guess the new DD inkset eliminated the strong magenta metamerism under tungsten that you will get using just the Lyson Quad Blacks.
On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:16 PM, K.A.H. wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, I'm new here. Anyone out there have any experience with > the Lyson Daylight Darkroom system? I've had the chance to play > around with it a little, (Epson 2200 w/the DD software), and I'm very > impressed. It's truly a very viable, workable solution to producing > neutral B&W's. Anyone else?? > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” > AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2005-02-18 by Carolyn Frayn
On 2/17/05 10:16 AM, "K.A.H." sent the following verbage: > > Hi everyone, I'm new here. Anyone out there have any experience with > the Lyson Daylight Darkroom system? I've had the chance to play > around with it a little, (Epson 2200 w/the DD software), and I'm very > impressed. It's truly a very viable, workable solution to producing > neutral B&W's. Anyone else?? I saw sample prints at the Camera Store I frequent, and thought the print quality was fine, Lyson Daylight Darkroom uses the Bowhaus RIP. But I did not like the inks... I found them greenish under some light, they metamerisized too much for my tastes as I walked to different light sources with the samples. Carolyn
2005-02-18 by john dean
There you go, if they can't solve this metamerism their invention is going nowhere. I really wish someone could develop a paper that looked like this for our carbon pigment inks. Then we would have something. All Lyson's mono dye inks have significant metamerism, I used them for years. But their Cave Paint color pigments are apparently very nice indeed. I want to test those soon. John
> I saw sample prints at the Camera Store I frequent, and thought the print > quality was fine, Lyson Daylight Darkroom uses the Bowhaus RIP. But I did > not like the inks... I found them greenish under some light, they > metamerisized too much for my tastes as I walked to different light sources > with the samples. > > Carolyn
2005-02-18 by Stephen P. Veillette
I have used the Lyson Quad Black ink set, but I gave up on them. The metamerism bothered me, and it always felt like I was fighting to get good prints from the canned ICC profiles. I've switched to MIS and I'm not looking back. When I heard about the Daylight Darkroom system, I requested a sample print, and the moment I saw it I knew I'd made the right choice. The print quality is much better than I had ever gotten (obviously), but the metamerism is still there. I'll accept that their new DD system probably makes up for many of the shortcomings of the Quad Black and ICC profile system, and I'll even admit that if I went back to them and applied what I've learned about printing from using MIS inks, I'd probably get better results, but I'm already much happier with MIS inks than I ever was with Lyson, even though I've only been using them for a short time. -Steve --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Frayn <carolyn@u...> wrote:
> On 2/17/05 10:16 AM, "K.A.H." sent the following verbage: > > > > Hi everyone, I'm new here. Anyone out there have any experience with > > the Lyson Daylight Darkroom system? I've had the chance to play > > around with it a little, (Epson 2200 w/the DD software), and I'm very > > impressed. It's truly a very viable, workable solution to producing > > neutral B&W's. Anyone else?? > > > I saw sample prints at the Camera Store I frequent, and thought the print > quality was fine, Lyson Daylight Darkroom uses the Bowhaus RIP. But I did > not like the inks... I found them greenish under some light, they > metamerisized too much for my tastes as I walked to different light sources > with the samples. > > Carolyn
2005-02-18 by john dean
Right, it should be easy and you should never have to fight the technology to achieve neutral prints. Take it from us it's not worth it. John