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EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-25 by Ruhrfoto/Bernd L.

Hi,
some days ago I purchased IJC/OPM.
Now I want to linearize some profiles using my EyeOne spectrophotometer.
Unfortunately the device provides only Lab data.
Could anybody advise me, how to import these data to IJC.

Do I need a special software to measure density values with my EyeOne ( I don´t have 
ProfileMaker, is there any "free/share-ware" available??)
or can I use a L* to density conversion chart (and where do I get one)?
Or is there any hidden import function in IJC which I missed so far.

Thanks for your reply.

Best 
Bernd

Re: EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-25 by Louis Dina

Bernd,

I sent you a private email with detailed instructions.

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, " Ruhrfoto/Bernd 
L." <ruhrfoto@y...> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> some days ago I purchased IJC/OPM.
> Now I want to linearize some profiles using my EyeOne 
spectrophotometer.
> Unfortunately the device provides only Lab data.
> Could anybody advise me, how to import these data to IJC.
> 
> Do I need a special software to measure density values with my 
EyeOne ( I don´t have 
> ProfileMaker, is there any "free/share-ware" available??)
> or can I use a L* to density conversion chart (and where do I get 
one)?
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> Or is there any hidden import function in IJC which I missed so far.
> 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> Best 
> Bernd

Re: EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-25 by dfaprinting

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
<lbdina@c...> wrote:
> 
> Bernd,
> 
> I sent you a private email with detailed instructions.
> 
> Lou
> 

Alternate, you could buy Xrite's ColorshopX for $99. It has a density 
tool that works with the Eye-one, and lots of other good tools.

Lou, would it be possible for you to send the same info to me, or 
point me to a link where I can find the info? Thanks, Greg.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-25 by Rainer Taube

Louis Dina wrote:

>
> Bernd,
>
> I sent you a private email with detailed instructions.
>
> Lou
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, " Ruhrfoto/Bernd
> L." <ruhrfoto@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > some days ago I purchased IJC/OPM.
> > Now I want to linearize some profiles using my EyeOne
> spectrophotometer.
> > Unfortunately the device provides only Lab data.
> > Could anybody advise me, how to import these data to IJC.
> >
> > Do I need a special software to measure density values with my
> EyeOne ( I don\ufffdt have
> > ProfileMaker, is there any "free/share-ware" available??)
> > or can I use a L* to density conversion chart (and where do I get
> one)?
> > Or is there any hidden import function in IJC which I missed so far.
> >
> > Thanks for your reply.
> >
> > Best
> > Bernd

Louis,

I would do the same task with my EyeOne for QTR. If i could transfer 
your informations to the QTR-Process i would like to get your  
informations too if possible. May be i will try IJC/OPM later too.

Best Regards

Rainer Taube

www.tauberlin.de

Re: EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-25 by rainertaube

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina"
<lbdina@c...> wrote:
> 
> Bernd,
> 
> I sent you a private email with detailed instructions.
> 
Louis,

I would try do the same task with my EyeOne for QTR. If i could
transfer your informations to the QTR-Process i would like to get your
 informations too if possible. May be i will try IJC/OPM later too.

Best Regards

Rainer Taube

www.tauberlin.de

[Digital BW] Re: EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-25 by Louis Dina

> Louis,
> 
> I would do the same task with my EyeOne for QTR. If i could 
transfer your informations to the QTR-Process i would like to get 
your informations too if possible. May be i will try IJC/OPM later 
too.
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Rainer Taube

Rainer,

Here's a copy of the mail I sent to Bernd earlier.  

Lou 

*******************

I use my i1 with Gretag MeasureTool.  If you don't have MeasureTool, 
you can download it free from the Gretag MacBeth website.  When you 
open MeasureTool, first select Device/Port to configure your i1 
(which must be plugged in before you start MT).  Select "Reflective" 
and uncheck the box that says "Spectral".  Once the program 
recognizes your i1, you can close the window.

Next, select the "Spot" measuring tool.  MT will ask you to place 
your i1 on the holder for calibration.  When done, you can measure 
your target.  Set the color space to Lab and begin measuring.

IJC/OPM does not yet automate reading the targets, so you have to 
write down the values for the 26 steps of the grayscale.  All you 
need are the L* readings (lightness values) for linearization.  Once 
you have recorded all the values on paper, open the IJC linearization 
tab and hit the "clear" button to remove any old data.  Then, enter 
the values you wrote down directly into IJC with the lightest values 
(eg, 98) near the top, and the darkest values at the bottom.  The 
vertical slider in IJC should be set to "0" when using L* values for 
linearization.  There is no advantage to converting these values to 
density readings.

It is possible to convert L* to density values.  There is a companding
calculator at http://www.brucelindbloom.com/ which does just that.  
If you use density data, you will need to move the vertical gamma 
slider in IJC so that step 13 has an "aim value" of between 0.63 and 
0.70.  This is because density is measure on a logarithmic scale, 
unlike L* which is a linear scale.  You will need to input the 
density of step 1 and step 26 before you can set the slider 
properly.  I see no reason to use density instead of L* values.  With 
your i1, it is much easier, and just as accurate, to use L* values.

Joe Berndt (author of IJC.OPM) is working on automating the process 
so that future releases of the program can load this data quickly and 
easily.  But at present, it is a manual process.  You can try using a 
scanner which is automated, but it won't be as accurate as using your 
i1.  The instructions are in the IJC/OPM user Manual.

Regards, Lou Dina

p.s. I wrote a tutorial for IJC which is posted in the Files section 
of this website and also on the Bowhaus website.  It has a lot of 
information on how to do linearization in IJC.

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-26 by Scott King

On Mar 24, 2005, at 8:13 PM, Ruhrfoto/Bernd L. wrote:

>
> <snip>
>  is there any "free/share-ware" available??)
</snip>

Check out QuickRead from iccTools.
http://www.icctools.com/quickread.html

I use it with my EyeOne to read a 26 step set of patches I created 
which can be read in scan mode.  Then I export a .csv file and import 
into IJC.  Work like a charm.

SK

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-26 by rainertaube

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Scott King
<scotty@j...> wrote:
> 

> </snip>
> 
> Check out QuickRead from iccTools.
> http://www.icctools.com/quickread.html
> 
Hallo Scott,

i installed Quickread on my system but didn´t find out, how to start
measuring. Connection to EyeOne and calibration works fine but where
is the button for measuring. Is there a help file anywhere. I didn´t
find one.

Best Regards

Rainer Taube

www.tauberlin.de

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-26 by Louis Dina

Thanks Scott.

Quickread is definitely faster and easier to use than MeasureTool.  
Even in "spot measuring mode", it retains the data on the screen, so 
you don't have to write down the readings.  For strip readings, I think 
it would be necessary to create a new 26 step target with big enough 
differences between patches so the i1 is able to see tonal differences.

You must be on a Mac, because the Windows version of IJC/OPM does not 
accept CSV data input (unless I am missing something).

I'll have to play around with Quickread to learn its features.

Regards, Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Scott King 
<scotty@j...> wrote:
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> 
> On Mar 24, 2005, at 8:13 PM, Ruhrfoto/Bernd L. wrote:
> 
> >
> > <snip>
> >  is there any "free/share-ware" available??)
> </snip>
> 
> Check out QuickRead from iccTools.
> http://www.icctools.com/quickread.html
> 
> I use it with my EyeOne to read a 26 step set of patches I created 
> which can be read in scan mode.  Then I export a .csv file and import 
> into IJC.  Work like a charm.
> 
> SK

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-26 by Carl Schofield

I use a "chaotic" or randomized arrangement of patches that works well 
for strip reading with Quickread.  Very nice application and as you 
say, much better than Measuretool.  Also gives visual and C, M, Y 
status T density data when density is selected for export as a text 
file.

Carl
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Louis Dina wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Scott.
>
> Quickread is definitely faster and easier to use than MeasureTool.
> Even in "spot measuring mode", it retains the data on the screen, so
> you don't have to write down the readings.  For strip readings, I think
> it would be necessary to create a new 26 step target with big enough
> differences between patches so the i1 is able to see tonal differences.
>
> You must be on a Mac, because the Windows version of IJC/OPM does not
> accept CSV data input (unless I am missing something).
>
> I'll have to play around with Quickread to learn its features.
>
> Regards, Lou
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Scott King
> <scotty@j...> wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2005, at 8:13 PM, Ruhrfoto/Bernd L. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>  is there any "free/share-ware" available??)
>> </snip>
>>
>> Check out QuickRead from iccTools.
>> http://www.icctools.com/quickread.html
>>
>> I use it with my EyeOne to read a 26 step set of patches I created
>> which can be read in scan mode.  Then I export a .csv file and import
>> into IJC.  Work like a charm.
>>
>> SK

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-26 by Steve Kale

What are the different measures of density (V,C,M,Y) and the various density
status settings?

Thanks

Steve
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> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:09:48 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization
> 
> 
> I use a "chaotic" or randomized arrangement of patches that works well
> for strip reading with Quickread.  Very nice application and as you
> say, much better than Measuretool.  Also gives visual and C, M, Y
> status T density data when density is selected for export as a text
> file.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Louis Dina wrote:
>

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-26 by Carl Schofield

V = visual density (what you have been using with QTR), C = cyan 
density, M = magenta density, Y= yellow density).  I don't know what 
all of the different status classes are, but status T is what I've been 
using.  I find that C, M, Y densities are more intuitive for 
interpreting hue in my prints than the a, b values from Lab data.

Carl
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Steve Kale wrote:

>
> What are the different measures of density (V,C,M,Y) and the various 
> density
> status settings?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
>> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:09:48 -0500
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization
>>
>>
>> I use a "chaotic" or randomized arrangement of patches that works well
>> for strip reading with Quickread.  Very nice application and as you
>> say, much better than Measuretool.  Also gives visual and C, M, Y
>> status T density data when density is selected for export as a text
>> file.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Louis Dina wrote:
>>

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-26 by Steve Kale

Thanks.
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> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>

> V = visual density (what you have been using with QTR), C = cyan
> density, M = magenta density, Y= yellow density).  I don't know what
> all of the different status classes are, but status T is what I've been
> using.  I find that C, M, Y densities are more intuitive for
> interpreting hue in my prints than the a, b values from Lab data.
> 
> Carl

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-26 by dfaprinting

I just downloaded and tried Quickread, after installing it says beta 
expired and closes.

I did also try in Xrite's ColorshopX ($99USD) and that works very 
well. The measure portion is located in the scratch pad (I was using 
the color scratch pad). After scanning, you can save as with the 
selected measurements, or you can directly export to something like a 
spread sheet or text editor (front application). Just thought I would 
pass this along.

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-27 by Carl Schofield

I think you downloaded an expired beta by mistake from the wrong 
folder.  Try downloading either the PC or Mac version from the 1.0GM 
folder at the link below  I'm using the Mac version (1.0.0) from that 
directory and it works fine.
http://www.icctools.com/~nathan/QuickRead%20&%20OfficeAssistant/
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 3:38 PM, dfaprinting wrote:

>
>
> I just downloaded and tried Quickread, after installing it says beta
> expired and closes.
>
> I did also try in Xrite's ColorshopX ($99USD) and that works very
> well. The measure portion is located in the scratch pad (I was using
> the color scratch pad). After scanning, you can save as with the
> selected measurements, or you can directly export to something like a
> spread sheet or text editor (front application). Just thought I would

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-27 by dfaprinting

Thanks, but I grabbed the one from the beta3 folder: 
http://www.icctools.com/~nathan/QuickRead%20&%
20OfficeAssistant/1.0B3/ for windows

Luckily, I already own ColorshopX, bought it about a month ago.

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-27 by Scott King

On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:01 AM, rainertaube wrote:
> ... how to start measuring. Connection to EyeOne and calibration works 
> fine but where is the button for measuring.

For strip scanning, position the EyeOne before the first patch, press 
the button on the side, wait for the 'bonk' sound, then measure.


>  Is there a help file anywhere. I didn´t find one.

Not that I'm aware of.


SK

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-27 by Scott King

> For strip readings, I think  it would be necessary to create a new 26 
> step target with big enough differences between patches so the i1 is 
> able to see tonal differences.

That's exactly what I did.  If anyone would like the target, just let 
me know and I'll e-mail it directly.  Or, if someone has upload 
privileges I'll send it and it can be posted to the 'Files'.


>  You must be on a Mac, because the Windows version of IJC/OPM does not 
>  accept CSV data input (unless I am missing something).

Yep, I'm using this on a Mac.


SK

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-28 by Rainer Taube

Scott King wrote:
...

> That's exactly what I did.  If anyone would like the target, just let
> me know and I'll e-mail it directly.  Or, if someone has upload
> privileges I'll send it and it can be posted to the 'Files'.
>
>
...

Hallo Scott,

i would like to have it. Please e-mail to rainer@...

Thanks

Rainer Taube

Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization

2005-03-28 by copal01

My too, thaks in advance. copal01@...
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Rainer Taube 
<rainer@t...> wrote:
> Scott King wrote:
> ...
> 
> > That's exactly what I did.  If anyone would like the target, just 
let
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > me know and I'll e-mail it directly.  Or, if someone has upload
> > privileges I'll send it and it can be posted to the 'Files'.
> >
> >
> ...
> 
> Hallo Scott,
> 
> i would like to have it. Please e-mail to rainer@t...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rainer Taube

[Digital BW] Quickread

2005-03-29 by Steve Kale

Pity this app can't export all the data at once rather than 1 set at a
time... Or am I missing something?

Carl, can you email me your random step wedge?  Is it in QTR Grey Lab
(steps)?
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> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
 
> 
> V = visual density (what you have been using with QTR), C = cyan
> density, M = magenta density, Y= yellow density).  I don't know what
> all of the different status classes are, but status T is what I've been
> using.  I find that C, M, Y densities are more intuitive for
> interpreting hue in my prints than the a, b values from Lab data.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Steve Kale wrote:
> 
>> 
>> What are the different measures of density (V,C,M,Y) and the various
>> density
>> status settings?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
>>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:09:48 -0500
>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] EyeOne Usage for IJC linearization
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I use a "chaotic" or randomized arrangement of patches that works well
>>> for strip reading with Quickread.  Very nice application and as you
>>> say, much better than Measuretool.  Also gives visual and C, M, Y
>>> status T density data when density is selected for export as a text
>>> file.
>>> 
>>> Carl
>>>

Re: [Digital BW] Quickread

2005-03-29 by Steve Kale

Forget that Carl - found the old one and assigned QTR Grey.
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> From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>

> 
> Pity this app can't export all the data at once rather than 1 set at a
> time... Or am I missing something?
> 
> Carl, can you email me your random step wedge?  Is it in QTR Grey Lab
> (steps)?

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