Yahoo Groups archive

Digital BW, The Print

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 22:56 UTC

Thread

The best education...

The best education...

2005-03-29 by Joe Cantrell

From: "Djon" <westsidemaurice@...>
Show quoted textHide quoted text
Subject: Re: Best Book on B&W with Photoshop

<snip>But IMO 75% of the posts on this Forum seem more
to suggest education
in NON-technical aspects of B&W, most especially
"pre-visualization"...a skill that's almost never
mentioned on digital
forums...there's a blind spot.</snip> 

<snip>It probably has to do with the derivative
post-card tendencies of the
"fine" photos we see most often online: minds occupied
with technique
rather than eyes and heart involved in images.</snip>

IMHO too, of course, I agree wholeheartedly.  These
forums are about equipment, so it would be absurd to
complain, but the finest equipment and technique in
the world still needs the photographer's eye and heart
and mind and experience, among a google other things,
to produce images with emotional depth.  

I believe you learn more about emotionally expressive
photography from T.S. Eliot or Modigliani or Leonardo
or Nabokov, to pick names at random, or just watching
light, than you can from  endless technical worries. 
Comes a time, and I see it often on other photo
forums, where having all that equipment is blocking
the photographer's expression, not enabling it. 

Back to lurking, with great respect,
Joe


		
__________________________________ 
Do you Yahoo!? 
Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Re: [Digital BW] The best education...

2005-03-29 by Andrei Aderca

"I'm not interested in photography, I'm interested in people!"- Henri 
Cartier-Bresson
"If the photo is not good enough it means you weren't close enough" 
-Robert Capa

Happy shooting !

Andrei

Joe Cantrell wrote:

>
> From: "Djon" <westsidemaurice@...>
> Subject: Re: Best Book on B&W with Photoshop


> <snip>It probably has to do with the derivative
> post-card tendencies of the
> "fine" photos we see most often online: minds occupied
> with technique
> rather than eyes and heart involved in images.</snip>
>
> IMHO too, of course, I agree wholeheartedly.  These
> forums are about equipment, so it would be absurd to
> complain, but the finest equipment and technique in
> the world still needs the photographer's eye and heart
> and mind and experience, among a google other things,
> to produce images with emotional depth. 
>
> I believe you learn more about emotionally expressive
> photography from T.S. Eliot or Modigliani or Leonardo
> or Nabokov, to pick names at random, or just watching
> light, than you can from  endless technical worries.
> Comes a time, and I see it often on other photo
> forums, where having all that equipment is blocking
> the photographer's expression, not enabling it.
>
> Back to lurking, with great respect,
> Joe
>
>
>            
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
>
>
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
> resources as they are often being updated.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish 
> to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting 
> this same page.
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to 
> keep them short.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or 
> flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from 
> the membership without notice.
> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital 
> B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be 
> removed from the membership.
> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and 
> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group 
> Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the 
> Files section:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>
> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE 
> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" 
> AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE 
> LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, 
> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, 
> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE 
> LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT 
> YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), 
> RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, 
> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF 
> YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD 
> PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
> MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>
>
>
> *Yahoo! Groups Sponsor*
> ADVERTISEMENT
> click here 
> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129u3e3sq/M=298184.6191685.7192823.3001176/D=groups/S=1705019182:HM/EXP=1112155472/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> 
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Yahoo! Groups Links*
>
>     * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/
>        
>     * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>       DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>       <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
>        
>     * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>       Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.