Digital BW, The Print

Hello.  Please pardon my lack of experience.  I'm trying to run QTR on
a friend's MAC OS X to be used with an Epson 2200.  Being a Windows
user, I am having a great deal of difficulty figuring out how to
access the gui for QTR on the MAC.  I've installed it, but unlike
another friend's QTR which runs on Windows, I cannot find the visible
interface for QTR. Could anyone point me to a set of instructions?

Thanks for your help.

Bob B.

On a Mac you use it just like you would the Epson driver.  You print from PS
to QUAD2200.  Make sure you use QTR-Gray Matte paper or QTR-Gray Photo paper
as the print space profile (perceptual and black point comp) in PS' Print
with Preview.  When you hit print from there (after having done the page
setup) you can select QUAD2200 as the printer under printer (top drop down)
and go to Quadtone RIP (third drop down). There is no need for a separate
Gui.  

> From: cybercig <rb@...>
 
> 
> 
> Hello.  Please pardon my lack of experience.  I'm trying to run QTR on
> a friend's MAC OS X to be used with an Epson 2200.  Being a Windows
> user, I am having a great deal of difficulty figuring out how to
> access the gui for QTR on the MAC.  I've installed it, but unlike
> another friend's QTR which runs on Windows, I cannot find the visible
> interface for QTR. Could anyone point me to a set of instructions?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Bob B.
>

the first reply to you is the scoop

this is just to clarify that not only don't you need the GUI, there isn't one for the Mac.  Also 
you can print Photoshop files directly without saving as TIFF.

And you don't need to use the grayscale profiles as described in Steve's reply.  Can use 
just grayscale dot gain x (20% for ex) or even the RGB file.  With little time to test so far, I 
seem to get the same results.

That doesn't mean that the gray profiles aren't the way to go in the future; just not 
required.

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cybercig" <rb@e...> wrote:

> 
> Hello.  Please pardon my lack of experience.  I'm trying to run QTR on
> a friend's MAC OS X to be used with an Epson 2200.  Being a Windows
> user, I am having a great deal of difficulty figuring out how to
> access the gui for QTR on the MAC.  I've installed it, but unlike
> another friend's QTR which runs on Windows, I cannot find the visible
> interface for QTR. Could anyone point me to a set of instructions?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Bob B.

Scott

The greyscale ICC profiles I described are output profiles - more
specifically, printer profiles.  You are talking about workspace.  Dot gain
20 or whatever doesn't matter IF AND ONLY IF you colour manage the output
stage.  If you don't use colour management at the output stage you will end
up in the thread "Best RIP for 2200" to one degree or another.  My
recommendation is to stay in a generally used greyscale workspace like Gray
Gamma 2.2 (a direct subset of Adobe RGB) and colour manage the output stage
with one of the two printer profiles.  [I work in QTR Gray which is Lab
without the a and b channels but only because I find L* more intuitive for
B&W - I still can't think in Lab for colour!]


So use of the printer files (QTR-Gray Matte paper or QTR-Gray Photo paper)
is not mandatory - one can do whatever one wants - but if you want to use
the tool properly then you should.  Think of these two profiles as profiles
for generic printers for generic matte/photo paper.


If you send an RGB file OS-X takes it to greyscale on the fly.  Generally
not recommended.

Steve

> From: Scott Graham <gebilwil@...>
> 
> 
> 
> the first reply to you is the scoop
> 
> this is just to clarify that not only don't you need the GUI, there isn't one
> for the Mac.  Also
> you can print Photoshop files directly without saving as TIFF.
> 
> And you don't need to use the grayscale profiles as described in Steve's
> reply.  Can use 
> just grayscale dot gain x (20% for ex) or even the RGB file.  With little time
> to test so far, I
> seem to get the same results.
> 
> That doesn't mean that the gray profiles aren't the way to go in the future;
> just not 
> required.
> 
> Scott
>

Sorry; I agree that they are icc profiles.

My point was that just getting started he didn't need to worry about them yet.

and RGB?  I also agree about the "on the fly" conversion not being desireable.  I used to 
convert my grayscale files to RGB just before printing with the misunderstanding that it 
was necessary to get B&W with all inks, rather than suffer BO.  So I have a few left laying 
around and printed one using both RGB and grayscale in QTR.

Seemed to get the same results from both, though I am very new to this.

I imagine that I will eventually switch to gray (lab) and the gray icc's, but not for old files 
that print fine.

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@b...> 
wrote:

> Scott
> 
> The greyscale ICC profiles I described are output profiles - more
> specifically, printer profiles.  You are talking about workspace.  Dot gain
> 20 or whatever doesn't matter IF AND ONLY IF you colour manage the output
> stage.  If you don't use colour management at the output stage you will end
> up in the thread "Best RIP for 2200" to one degree or another.  My
> recommendation is to stay in a generally used greyscale workspace like Gray
> Gamma 2.2 (a direct subset of Adobe RGB) and colour manage the output stage
> with one of the two printer profiles.  [I work in QTR Gray which is Lab
> without the a and b channels but only because I find L* more intuitive for
> B&W - I still can't think in Lab for colour!]
> 
>

Start right.  Finish right.  ;-)

(Gray Lab as a workspace isn't so important - the printer ICC profiles are
where the gain is.)

> From: Scott Graham <gebilwil@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:15:41 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR and MAC OS X
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry; I agree that they are icc profiles.
> 
> My point was that just getting started he didn't need to worry about them yet.
> 
> and RGB?  I also agree about the "on the fly" conversion not being desireable.
> I used to 
> convert my grayscale files to RGB just before printing with the
> misunderstanding that it
> was necessary to get B&W with all inks, rather than suffer BO.  So I have a
> few left laying 
> around and printed one using both RGB and grayscale in QTR.
> 
> Seemed to get the same results from both, though I am very new to this.
> 
> I imagine that I will eventually switch to gray (lab) and the gray icc's, but
> not for old files
> that print fine.
> 
> Scott

I also am a newbie with QTR and OS X. I would like to use it on the
2200 with UC inks and Han PhotoRag paper. That profile isn't listed in
the curves list for the QTR 2.2 printer dialog bos. I downloaded some
more profiles from Carl Shofield's website. I ended up with 2
different folders of 2200 "profiles" from his site. Both seem to have
files for "HPR" profiles. What do I do with them? How do I make them
available to QTR? Thanks for any help!

Scott,

Where do you get these profiles?  I did not see them in the stuff that 
came with the program....just a bunch of profiles for different 
papers....

Barbara White
On Apr 17, 2005, at 10:16 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

>
> Scott
>
> The greyscale ICC profiles I described are output profiles - more
> specifically, printer profiles.  You are talking about workspace.  Dot 
> gain
> 20 or whatever doesn't matter IF AND ONLY IF you colour manage the 
> output
> stage.  If you don't use colour management at the output stage you 
> will end
> up in the thread "Best RIP for 2200" to one degree or another.  My
> recommendation is to stay in a generally used greyscale workspace like 
> Gray
> Gamma 2.2 (a direct subset of Adobe RGB) and colour manage the output 
> stage
> with one of the two printer profiles.  [I work in QTR Gray which is Lab
> without the a and b channels but only because I find L* more intuitive 
> for
> B&W - I still can't think in Lab for colour!]
>
>
> So use of the printer files (QTR-Gray Matte paper or QTR-Gray Photo 
> paper)
> is not mandatory - one can do whatever one wants - but if you want to 
> use
> the tool properly then you should.  Think of these two profiles as 
> profiles
> for generic printers for generic matte/photo paper.
>
>
> If you send an RGB file OS-X takes it to greyscale on the fly.  
> Generally
> not recommended.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>> From: Scott Graham <gebilwil@netscape.net>
>>
>>
>>
>> the first reply to you is the scoop
>>
>> this is just to clarify that not only don't you need the GUI, there 
>> isn't one
>> for the Mac.  Also
>> you can print Photoshop files directly without saving as TIFF.
>>
>> And you don't need to use the grayscale profiles as described in 
>> Steve's
>> reply.  Can use
>> just grayscale dot gain x (20% for ex) or even the RGB file.  With 
>> little time
>> to test so far, I
>> seem to get the same results.
>>
>> That doesn't mean that the gray profiles aren't the way to go in the 
>> future;
>> just not
>> required.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>
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>
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Sorry, no need to answer. I just found them.

My apologies....

Barbara

On Apr 22, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Barbara White wrote:

>
> Scott,
>
> Where do you get these profiles?  I did not see them in the stuff that
> came with the program....just a bunch of profiles for different
> papers....
>
> Barbara White
> On Apr 17, 2005, at 10:16 AM, Steve Kale wrote: