Digital BW, The Print

There was mention of a new Epson inkset along with new printers in this 
thread reporting about an article in Shutterbug:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=13246643
I wonder if the new "Ultrachrome K3 inks" include 3 grays for printing 
B&W.  If so I hope they design a better driver than what has been 
offered recently for UC printers.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> wrote:
> There was mention of a new Epson inkset along with new printers in 
this 
> thread reporting about an article in Shutterbug:
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=13246643
> I wonder if the new "Ultrachrome K3 inks" include 3 grays for 
printing 
> B&W.  If so I hope they design a better driver than what has been 
> offered recently for UC printers.

Could it simply be that they are putting both matte and photo black in 
the machine at the same time? Just like the 4000.

dfaprinting wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
><scho@m...> wrote:
>  
>
>>There was mention of a new Epson inkset along with new printers in 
>>    
>>
>this 
>  
>
>>thread reporting about an article in Shutterbug:
>>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=13246643
>>I wonder if the new "Ultrachrome K3 inks" include 3 grays for 
>>    
>>
>printing 
>  
>
>>B&W.  If so I hope they design a better driver than what has been 
>>offered recently for UC printers.
>>    
>>
>
>Could it simply be that they are putting both matte and photo black in 
>the machine at the same time? Just like the 4000.
>  
>
Speculation but,

That's what I think too. But this time the firmware can use the 3Ks in 
matte printing like it should have been from the start with the 4000.  
Maybe the gloss black is made a bit lighter to enhance the effect. If 
they also gave the matte black a better inklimit in the paper settings 
then B&W on matte will be perfect.

A firmware upgrade for 4000 users to make it a 4800 would be a nice PR 
gesture by Epson.

Twice the speed for the 9800 compared to the 9600 if it gets the head 
assembly of the 4000. 180 nozzles per head instead of the 96 now. 
Droplets not much finer than the 4000 say 3.5 / 3 picoliter. Better for 
speed and consistency.

No glop if the x8xx stands for 8 heads.

There was a rumor of evolution instead of revolution, this all would fit 
that term.


Ernst

Is there any info on what the K3 inks are/do?

> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
 
> 
> There was mention of a new Epson inkset along with new printers in this
> thread reporting about an article in Shutterbug:
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=13246643
> I wonder if the new "Ultrachrome K3 inks" include 3 grays for printing
> B&W.  If so I hope they design a better driver than what has been
> offered recently for UC printers.
> 
>

I haven't seen the shutterbug article.  I googled this if you can read 
it:
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/freetime/lifestyle/link/265256/index.do

On Apr 26, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

>
> Is there any info on what the K3 inks are/do?
>
>
>> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
>
>>
>> There was mention of a new Epson inkset along with new printers in 
>> this
>> thread reporting about an article in Shutterbug:
>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=13246643
>> I wonder if the new "Ultrachrome K3 inks" include 3 grays for printing
>> B&W.  If so I hope they design a better driver than what has been
>> offered recently for UC printers.
>>

Epson introduced a new printer at the Institute of the Arab World in
Paris. The introduction was of course in Polish. Makes sense to me. 

fyi that's an amazing building. At least one of its walls is covered
by a decoratively pierced aluminum panel, reminiscant of ornately
pierced marble panels in Arabic architecture. No need for drapes or
blinds, the aluminum wall's apertures open and close together
according to temperature and light. 

When in Paris...


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
<scho@m...> wrote:
> I haven't seen the shutterbug article.  I googled this if you can read 
> it:
> http://www.vecernji-list.hr/freetime/lifestyle/link/265256/index.do
> 
> On Apr 26, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Steve Kale wrote:
> 
> >
> > Is there any info on what the K3 inks are/do?
> >
> >
> >> From: Carl Schofield <scho@m...>
> >
> >>
> >> There was mention of a new Epson inkset along with new printers in 
> >> this
> >> thread reporting about an article in Shutterbug:
> >>
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=13246643
> >> I wonder if the new "Ultrachrome K3 inks" include 3 grays for
printing

> >> B&W.  If so I hope they design a better driver than what has been
> >> offered recently for UC printers.
> >>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla 
<E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> 
> A firmware upgrade for 4000 users to make it a 4800 would be a nice 
PR 
> gesture by Epson.
> 
> 
> Ernst

9000 to 9500 = $2000 USD, given there was hardware that "needed" to be 
changed, but....

dfaprinting wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla 
><E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
>  
>
>>A firmware upgrade for 4000 users to make it a 4800 would be a nice 
>>    
>>
>PR 
>  
>
>>gesture by Epson.
>>
>>
>>Ernst
>>    
>>
>
>9000 to 9500 = $2000 USD, given there was hardware that "needed" to be 
>changed, but....
>
>  
>
That included a serviceman exchanging inks, dampers, firmware. In this 
case I guess there's not more needed than a download of firmware.

Ernst

I put some of the text from Carl's link into a program that identifies
languages and it chose Croatian or Serbian. Then I used a web page
translator (
http://quickfound.net/webdev/language_translation_tools_index.html) to
translate the article from both languages to English. The results
demonstrate that computer-generated translation technology has a ways to go.

This definately looks like a new line of printers, and they appear to be
targeting B&W printing with three B&W inks, though it is not clear if they
are different densities or hues.

Here is some of the cryptic text.

Headline: INTRODUCTION: Epson specter novu technology
THREE HUE (optional translation is "tone") FOR BLACK-WHITE PRINTOUT

Good luck on this paragraph:

UltraChrome K3 ink had specific per tome which the contents of three hue
crne boje hard by standard palette ink chromatic. For black - white printout
present-day toner imaju merely black ink , which does mixer with other tint
in order to does dobili , for example sivi tonovi , whilst had black - white
still picture written K3 ink considerably living plus realisticnija.

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Ultrachrome K3 inks?



dfaprinting wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla
><E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
>
>
>>A firmware upgrade for 4000 users to make it a 4800 would be a nice
>>
>>
>PR
>
>
>>gesture by Epson.
>>
>>
>>Ernst
>>
>>
>
>9000 to 9500 = $2000 USD, given there was hardware that "needed" to be
>changed, but....
>
>
>
That included a serviceman exchanging inks, dampers, firmware. In this
case I guess there's not more needed than a download of firmware.

Ernst

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steve_bye" 
<steve_bye@c...> wrote:
> I put some of the text from Carl's link into a program that identifies
> languages and it chose Croatian or Serbian. Then I used a web page
> translator (
> http://quickfound.net/webdev/language_translation_tools_index.html) to
> translate the article from both languages to English. The results
> demonstrate that computer-generated translation technology has a ways 
to go.
> 
> This definately looks like a new line of printers, and they appear to 
be
> targeting B&W printing with three B&W inks, though it is not clear if 
they
> are different densities or hues.
> 
> Here is some of the cryptic text.


I would be nice if the mixing is controlled in the hardware, and not 
the driver, but also user adjustable. If not that, then have all three 
channels available to a RIP so that you gain back the user adjustment 
of the mixing.

And if that B/W output comes through, can we all say... About time! 
What took so long?

Someone read the shutterbug article:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson2200/message/6708
Three shades of black and driver control for B&W printing with the 3 inks.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dfaprinting" <dfaprinting@y...> 
wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steve_bye" 
> <steve_bye@c...> wrote:
> > I put some of the text from Carl's link into a program that identifies
> > languages and it chose Croatian or Serbian. Then I used a web page
> > translator (
> > http://quickfound.net/webdev/language_translation_tools_index.html) to
> > translate the article from both languages to English. The results
> > demonstrate that computer-generated translation technology has a ways 
> to go.
> > 
> > This definately looks like a new line of printers, and they appear to 
> be
> > targeting B&W printing with three B&W inks, though it is not clear if 
> they
> > are different densities or hues.
> > 
> > Here is some of the cryptic text.
> 
> 
> I would be nice if the mixing is controlled in the hardware, and not 
> the driver, but also user adjustable. If not that, then have all three 
> channels available to a RIP so that you gain back the user adjustment 
> of the mixing.
> 
> And if that B/W output comes through, can we all say... About time! 
> What took so long?

Here's the text of that message, so that you don't have to join the Epson 2200 
group to read it:

"The June issue of Shutterbug magazine, pg159 has a 1/2 page article on
4 new Epson printers including a replacement for the 2200. They will
have a new 8 color pigment ink set, including photo or matte black,
light black, light light black, plus cyan, magenta, yellow, light cyan
and light magenta. "The claim is that these pigment inks will
significantly improve the printer's gray balance while eliminating
color casts and dramatically reducing metamerism and bronzing." There
will also be a new "advanced black and white print mode". The
replacement for the 2200 is the R2400 and will sell for $849."

I have several thoughts about this:

(1) What are the other 3 new printers using the new inkset other than the 
R2400?  I can see replacements for the 9600 and the 7600, but would the 
fourth printer be a replacement for the 4000?

(2) Notice that it refers to photo OR matte black.  That would indicate that, like 
the 2200/7600/9600, and unlike the 4000, R1800 and R800, it can only have 
one of these inks loaded at a time.  If true, that seems like a silly step 
backwards.

(3) Why would the new printers be designated "Rxxxx" if they're not using the 
R800/1800 inks?

(4) Doesn't this leave the 4000 as kind of an orphan in the lineup?  It doesn't 
fit with the R800/1800, which use the gloss optimizer and red/blue inks.  It 
doesn't fit with the 2200/7600/9600, because it can hold photo and matte 
black at the same time.  And it doesn't fit with the new printers either.  
UNLESS, as someone suggested, Epson shows some common sense and 
allows use of the new inks and "advanced B&W print mode" in the 4000 by a 
firmware/driver update -- since the 4000 already has 8 ink channels, this 
would seem sensible unless the new inks require a physically smaller drop 
size than the 4000's heads can produce.  You would, of course be giving up 
the ability to print on glossy or mattte without swapping blacks (assuming the 
Shutterbug article is accurate), which is probably the primary reason you'd 
buy a 4000 instead of the larger 7600.

Is the June issue of Shutterbug on newstands yet?  I'd like to see the article for 
myself.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Schofield" <
scho@m...> wrote:
> Someone read the shutterbug article:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson2200/message/6708
> Three shades of black and driver control for B&W printing with the 3 inks.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dfaprinting" <
dfaprinting@y...> 
> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steve_bye" 
> > <steve_bye@c...> wrote:
> > > I put some of the text from Carl's link into a program that identifies
> > > languages and it chose Croatian or Serbian. Then I used a web page
> > > translator (
> > > http://quickfound.net/webdev/language_translation_tools_index.html) to
> > > translate the article from both languages to English. The results
> > > demonstrate that computer-generated translation technology has a 
ways 

> > to go.
> > > 
> > > This definately looks like a new line of printers, and they appear to 
> > be
> > > targeting B&W printing with three B&W inks, though it is not clear if 
> > they
> > > are different densities or hues.
> > > 
> > > Here is some of the cryptic text.
> > 
> > 
> > I would be nice if the mixing is controlled in the hardware, and not 
> > the driver, but also user adjustable. If not that, then have all three 
> > channels available to a RIP so that you gain back the user adjustment 
> > of the mixing.
> > 
> > And if that B/W output comes through, can we all say... About time! 
> > What took so long?

Don't speculate so much.  
First, just like camera companies, watch for large rebates.  This usually
preceeds the drop of a line.
(I.E.,When Nikon gives $500 rebate on their pro cameras, their history in
three months.)

Using OR in a statement MAY just mean it uses one or the other; not that a
change is required.

Using R would mean what?  All "Photo" Epsons do not use the same ink.

Relax. Don't read into the releases, reviews and speculation.  

Want to speculate?  Try dpreview--those guys are masters!! <GGG>

Seth



==-----Original Message-----
==Behalf Of chipcarterdc
==Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:04 AM
==
==I have several thoughts about this:
==
==(1) What are the other 3 new printers using the new inkset 
==other than the R2400?  I can see replacements for the 9600 
==and the 7600, but would the fourth printer be a replacement 
==for the 4000?
==
==(2) Notice that it refers to photo OR matte black.  That 
==would indicate that, like the 2200/7600/9600, and unlike the 
==4000, R1800 and R800, it can only have one of these inks 
==loaded at a time.  If true, that seems like a silly step backwards.
==
==(3) Why would the new printers be designated "Rxxxx" if 
==they're not using the R800/1800 inks?
==
==(4) Doesn't this leave the 4000 as kind of an orphan in the 
==lineup?  It doesn't fit with the R800/1800, which use the 
==gloss optimizer and red/blue inks.  It doesn't fit with the 
==2200/7600/9600, because it can hold photo and matte black at 
==the same time.  And it doesn't fit with the new printers either.  
==UNLESS, as someone suggested, Epson shows some common sense 
==and allows use of the new inks and "advanced B&W print mode" 
==in the 4000 by a firmware/driver update -- since the 4000 
==already has 8 ink channels, this would seem sensible unless

I'm not sure this can be considered pure speculation, since it is in a major 
magazine (not that Shutterbug is a particularly good magazine).  I admit that 
Shutterbug could be wrong, or that the guy who posted the text from the 
Shutterbug article could be wrong.

Also, if the new printers can use both Photo and Matte black at the same time 
(without swapping them), these would be 9 ink printers, not 8 inks.

Oh, and rebates don't always indicate a replacement and the lack of rebates 
doesn't always mean there's not a replacement.  There's currently a large 
rebate on the Canon 1D Mk II, but it seems highly unlikely that it will be 
replaced any time soon.  Conversely, there wasn't, to my knowledge, a Canon 
rebate on the Canon 1Ds before the 1Ds Mark II was released.

Nonethless, we shall see what happens...


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Seth" <seth@m...> 
wrote:

>  Don't speculate so much.  
> First, just like camera companies, watch for large rebates.  This usually
> preceeds the drop of a line.
> (I.E.,When Nikon gives $500 rebate on their pro cameras, their history in
> three months.)
> 
> Using OR in a statement MAY just mean it uses one or the other; not that a
> change is required.
> 
> Using R would mean what?  All "Photo" Epsons do not use the same ink.
> 
> Relax. Don't read into the releases, reviews and speculation.  
> 
> Want to speculate?  Try dpreview--those guys are masters!! <GGG>
> 
> Seth
> 
> 
> 
> ==-----Original Message-----
> ==Behalf Of chipcarterdc
> ==Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:04 AM
> ==
> ==I have several thoughts about this:
> ==
> ==(1) What are the other 3 new printers using the new inkset 
> ==other than the R2400?  I can see replacements for the 9600 
> ==and the 7600, but would the fourth printer be a replacement 
> ==for the 4000?
> ==
> ==(2) Notice that it refers to photo OR matte black.  That 
> ==would indicate that, like the 2200/7600/9600, and unlike the 
> ==4000, R1800 and R800, it can only have one of these inks 
> ==loaded at a time.  If true, that seems like a silly step backwards.
> ==
> ==(3) Why would the new printers be designated "Rxxxx" if 
> ==they're not using the R800/1800 inks?
> ==
> ==(4) Doesn't this leave the 4000 as kind of an orphan in the 
> ==lineup?  It doesn't fit with the R800/1800, which use the 
> ==gloss optimizer and red/blue inks.  It doesn't fit with the 
> ==2200/7600/9600, because it can hold photo and matte black at 
> ==the same time.  And it doesn't fit with the new printers either.  
> ==UNLESS, as someone suggested, Epson shows some common sense 
> ==and allows use of the new inks and "advanced B&W print mode" 
> ==in the 4000 by a firmware/driver update -- since the 4000 
> ==already has 8 ink channels, this would seem sensible unless

I'm curious if the 4000 uses both photo black and matte black 'at the same time'--or if you would think any new printer would use them at the same time?  If not, I suppose then one could still say its an 8 ink printer--its sort of how you look at it.  I'm still interested though I sort of lean towards a 4000 since I occasionally like to print larger and it would be nice not to have to 'switch' the blacks as in my 2200.  However, my 2200 may keep clicking on for a good while and I won't replace it until it dies.

Diane 
  Also, if the new printers can use both Photo and Matte black at the same time 
  (without swapping them), these would be 9 ink printers, not 8 inks.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No, by "at the same time," I meant that the 4000 can have both matte and 
photo black installed at the same time and switch between them via software, 
rather than, as in the 2200, requiring you to physically remove one and insert 
the other.  In other words, the 4000 has 8 inks installed at the same time: 
photo black, matte black, light  black, yellow, cyan, magenta, light cyan and 
light magenta.  It does not "use" the photo black and matte black at the same 
time -- for any given print, you can use one or the other, not both.  You just 
don't have to swap them out and waste ink doing so.  Nor would I imagine that 
any new printer would actually use both photo and matte black in producing a 
print.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Diane Fields" <
picnic@c...> wrote:
> I'm curious if the 4000 uses both photo black and matte black 'at the same 
time'--or if you would think any new printer would use them at the same time?  
If not, I suppose then one could still say its an 8 ink printer--its sort of how you 
look at it.  I'm still interested though I sort of lean towards a 4000 since I 
occasionally like to print larger and it would be nice not to have to 'switch' the 
blacks as in my 2200.  However, my 2200 may keep clicking on for a good 
while and I won't replace it until it dies.
> 
> Diane 
>   Also, if the new printers can use both Photo and Matte black at the same 
time 

>   (without swapping them), these would be 9 ink printers, not 8 inks.
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Let's go back to the Shutter Bug article again (as quoted):

" They will have a new 8 color pigment ink set, including photo or matte
black, light black, light light black, plus cyan, magenta, yellow, light
cyan and light magenta."

So it sounds to me like matte black or photo black, ie you have to swap
them, plus the 7 other listed inks. So if this is right we get a 2400, 4800,
7800 and 9800 with better B&W ability.  Of course if the driver sucks then
there is no real advantage except you have 8 simultaneously active inks
which will give a RIP more to play with.

I'm more interested in whether the K3 inks have improved fundamentally over
the current UC inks or whether, as I suspect, K3 merely refers to the 3
shades of K.  In that case perhaps we still have the whole bronzing issue...

> From: chipcarterdc <chipcarterdc@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:07:08 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Ultrachrome K3 inks?
> 
> No, by "at the same time," I meant that the 4000 can have both matte and
> photo black installed at the same time and switch between them via software,
> rather than, as in the 2200, requiring you to physically remove one and insert
> the other.  In other words, the 4000 has 8 inks installed at the same time:
> photo black, matte black, light  black, yellow, cyan, magenta, light cyan and
> light magenta.  It does not "use" the photo black and matte black at the same
> time -- for any given print, you can use one or the other, not both.  You just
> don't have to swap them out and waste ink doing so.  Nor would I imagine that
> any new printer would actually use both photo and matte black in producing a
> print.
>

chipcarterdc wrote:

>Here's the text of that message, so that you don't have to join the Epson 2200 
>group to read it:
>
>"The June issue of Shutterbug magazine, pg159 has a 1/2 page article on
>4 new Epson printers including a replacement for the 2200. They will
>have a new 8 color pigment ink set, including photo or matte black,
>light black, light light black, plus cyan, magenta, yellow, light cyan
>and light magenta. "The claim is that these pigment inks will
>significantly improve the printer's gray balance while eliminating
>color casts and dramatically reducing metamerism and bronzing." There
>will also be a new "advanced black and white print mode". The
>replacement for the 2200 is the R2400 and will sell for $849."
>
>I have several thoughts about this:
>
>(1) What are the other 3 new printers using the new inkset other than the 
>R2400?  I can see replacements for the 9600 and the 7600, but would the 
>fourth printer be a replacement for the 4000?
>  
>

Correct, the Croatian text mentions a 4800. The head assembly of the 
4000, 4800, 7800 and 9800 will be the same, 8 heads of 180 nozzles each. 
The 9800 will be a replacement for both the 9600 and the 10600/10000.  
Prices of all 3 are dropping here. Most likely the 9800 will be at least 
as fast as the 10600 was, same nozzle quantity per head, so no 10800 
model needed. The difference between the 4000 and the 4800 will be that 
the last will have to switch between MK and PK but in return you get an 
extra grey for Quad quality. With this difference I do not expect an 
upgrade for the 4000 to make it a 4800.

>(2) Notice that it refers to photo OR matte black.  That would indicate that, like 
>the 2200/7600/9600, and unlike the 4000, R1800 and R800, it can only have 
>one of these inks loaded at a time.  If true, that seems like a silly step 
>backwards.
>  
>

>(3) Why would the new printers be designated "Rxxxx" if they're not using the 
>R800/1800 inks?
>  
>
No idea, I thought the R is only used for the 2400.

>(4) Doesn't this leave the 4000 as kind of an orphan in the lineup?  It doesn't 
>fit with the R800/1800, which use the gloss optimizer and red/blue inks.  It 
>doesn't fit with the 2200/7600/9600, because it can hold photo and matte 
>black at the same time.  And it doesn't fit with the new printers either.  
>UNLESS, as someone suggested, Epson shows some common sense and 
>allows use of the new inks and "advanced B&W print mode" in the 4000 by a 
>firmware/driver update -- since the 4000 already has 8 ink channels, this 
>would seem sensible unless the new inks require a physically smaller drop 
>size than the 4000's heads can produce.  You would, of course be giving up 
>the ability to print on glossy or mattte without swapping blacks (assuming the 
>Shutterbug article is accurate), which is probably the primary reason you'd 
>buy a 4000 instead of the larger 7600.
>
>  
>
There's a chance that of each model there will be two versions. One with 
PK and MK installed and the other with the extra grey. The 4000 was 
launched in 3 varieties here. This is mostly firmware dependent and 
Epson can adapt to what is asked for at the end of production or even 
then when the first inks are loaded. Happened before with pigment and 
dye models. So not one orphan but 3 twins.

So far the R2400 is described and not the rest of the models AFAIK. That 
makes the picture a bit hazy.

Ernst

Bummer, and I just picked up my first 2200!

Scott

chipcarterdc wrote:

> Here's the text of that message, so that you don't have to join the 
> Epson 2200
> group to read it:
>
> "The June issue of Shutterbug magazine, pg159 has a 1/2 page article on
> 4 new Epson printers including a replacement for the 2200. They will
> have a new 8 color pigment ink set, including photo or matte black,
> light black, light light black, plus cyan, magenta, yellow, light cyan
> and light magenta. "The claim is that these pigment inks will
> significantly improve the printer's gray balance while eliminating
> color casts and dramatically reducing metamerism and bronzing." There
> will also be a new "advanced black and white print mode". The
> replacement for the 2200 is the R2400 and will sell for $849."
>
> I have several thoughts about this:
>
> (1) What are the other 3 new printers using the new inkset other than the
> R2400? I can see replacements for the 9600 and the 7600, but would the
> fourth printer be a replacement for the 4000?
>
> (2) Notice that it refers to photo OR matte black. That would indicate 
> that, like
> the 2200/7600/9600, and unlike the 4000, R1800 and R800, it can only have
> one of these inks loaded at a time. If true, that seems like a silly step
> backwards.
>
> (3) Why would the new printers be designated "Rxxxx" if they're not 
> using the
> R800/1800 inks?
>
> (4) Doesn't this leave the 4000 as kind of an orphan in the lineup? It 
> doesn't
> fit with the R800/1800, which use the gloss optimizer and red/blue 
> inks. It
> doesn't fit with the 2200/7600/9600, because it can hold photo and matte
> black at the same time. And it doesn't fit with the new printers either.
> UNLESS, as someone suggested, Epson shows some common sense and
> allows use of the new inks and "advanced B&W print mode" in the 4000 by a
> firmware/driver update -- since the 4000 already has 8 ink channels, this
> would seem sensible unless the new inks require a physically smaller drop
> size than the 4000's heads can produce. You would, of course be giving up
> the ability to print on glossy or mattte without swapping blacks 
> (assuming the
> Shutterbug article is accurate), which is probably the primary reason 
> you'd
> buy a 4000 instead of the larger 7600.
>
> Is the June issue of Shutterbug on newstands yet? I'd like to see the 
> article for
> myself.
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Schofield" <
> scho@m...> wrote:
> > Someone read the shutterbug article:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epson2200/message/6708
> > Three shades of black and driver control for B&W printing with the 3 
> inks.
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dfaprinting" <
> dfaprinting@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steve_bye"
> > > <steve_bye@c...> wrote:
> > > > I put some of the text from Carl's link into a program that 
> identifies
> > > > languages and it chose Croatian or Serbian. Then I used a web page
> > > > translator (
> > > > 
> http://quickfound.net/webdev/language_translation_tools_index.html) 
> <http://quickfound.net/webdev/language_translation_tools_index.html%29> to
> > > > translate the article from both languages to English. The results
> > > > demonstrate that computer-generated translation technology has a
> ways
> > > to go.
> > > >
> > > > This definately looks like a new line of printers, and they 
> appear to
> > > be
> > > > targeting B&W printing with three B&W inks, though it is not 
> clear if
> > > they
> > > > are different densities or hues.
> > > >
> > > > Here is some of the cryptic text.
> > >
> > >
> > > I would be nice if the mixing is controlled in the hardware, and not
> > > the driver, but also user adjustable. If not that, then have all 
> three
> > > channels available to a RIP so that you gain back the user adjustment
> > > of the mixing.
> > >
> > > And if that B/W output comes through, can we all say... About time!
> > > What took so long?
>
>
>
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