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ImagePrint Versus QTR

2005-05-01 by SteveZ

Does or has anyone use ImagePrint by Colorbyte for their black and
white work? I'm thinking of buying this software ( for Epson 2200)
since I'm still struggling with the QTR custom curve creation for
various papers. Does ImagePrint come with all the paper profiles? I
wish I was better at the techincal aspect of the QTR but the reality
is I'm not, so maybe it's time to spend some big money and invest in
a solution that'll make life easier for me. It's either that or I pay 
someone who uses QTR to sit with me at my computer and show me how to 
create custom curves.

Anyone care to comment?
I'd appreciate hearing back from you.

Re: ImagePrint Versus QTR

2005-05-01 by Louis Dina

Yes, I own ImagePrint, QTR and IJC/OPM.  ImagePrint provides decent B&W 
output, and is a big improvement over the Epson driver with the 
standard inkset.  But I find both QTR or IJC/OPM are far superior to 
IP.  

With IP, you are locked into their ink limits and linearization, both 
of which are generic (tied to the inkset).  I find B&W prints from IP 
harsh in comparison, with lack of adequate separation.  The prints from 
the other two programs are linear, richer and much nicer.  I prefer the 
way they blend two profies for greater control.  IP has the tint 
picker, which is ok, but not as nice.  IP is also pretty expensive for 
what it offers.  

Also, both QTR and IJC/OPM allow you to use any inkset with any paper.  
QTR, in particular, has lots of available profiles.  kPeople on this 
bard will be happy to share profiles with you if you ask.

I never use IP for anything any more.  For color, I get better results 
with the Epson driver and custom profiles.  For B&W, QTR and IJC/OPM 
are superior.  But, IP is pretty easy.  Just be aware that IP is 
licensed for a single printer model only.  If you get a new printer 
model, you will have to buy another (expensive) license.

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" 
<blizzie12@y...> wrote:
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> Does or has anyone use ImagePrint by Colorbyte for their black and
> white work? I'm thinking of buying this software ( for Epson 2200)
> since I'm still struggling with the QTR custom curve creation for
> various papers. Does ImagePrint come with all the paper profiles? I
> wish I was better at the techincal aspect of the QTR but the reality
> is I'm not, so maybe it's time to spend some big money and invest in
> a solution that'll make life easier for me. It's either that or I pay 
> someone who uses QTR to sit with me at my computer and show me how to 
> create custom curves.
> 
> Anyone care to comment?
> I'd appreciate hearing back from you.

RE: [Digital BW] ImagePrint Versus QTR

2005-05-01 by Kent Messamore

Steve,

 

After spending a lot of time with QTR trying to get good Black and Whites, I
gave up.  I admit if I spent sufficient time on a photo I could get
excellent results.  I just don't have the time. I purchased Imageprint for
the 2200 a couple of months ago and I'm glad I did.  It's easy to find a
curve for virtually any kind of paper.  The curves work well.  You can use
the 2200 for both B&W and Color.  Yes it's way too much money, but compared
to the time I was spending, I find it's worth it.

 

 

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Subject: [Digital BW] ImagePrint Versus QTR

 

Does or has anyone use ImagePrint by Colorbyte for their black and
white work? I'm thinking of buying this software ( for Epson 2200)
since I'm still struggling with the QTR custom curve creation for
various papers. Does ImagePrint come with all the paper profiles? I
wish I was better at the techincal aspect of the QTR but the reality
is I'm not, so maybe it's time to spend some big money and invest in
a solution that'll make life easier for me. It's either that or I pay 
someone who uses QTR to sit with me at my computer and show me how to 
create custom curves.

Anyone care to comment?
I'd appreciate hearing back from you.






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Re: ImagePrint Versus QTR

2005-05-01 by SteveZ

Hmmmm....interesting, so far I've had two replies to my question. 
One in favor of IP, the other suggesting that I'm better off using 
QTR. Would be nice to hear more opinions though I'm really tempted 
to wait on purchasing IP and try figuring out custom curve 
creations. Louis Dina presents a strong case.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
<lbdina@c...> wrote:
> Yes, I own ImagePrint, QTR and IJC/OPM.  ImagePrint provides 
decent B&W 
> output, and is a big improvement over the Epson driver with the 
> standard inkset.  But I find both QTR or IJC/OPM are far superior 
to 
> IP.  
> 
> With IP, you are locked into their ink limits and linearization, 
both 
> of which are generic (tied to the inkset).  I find B&W prints from 
IP 
> harsh in comparison, with lack of adequate separation.  The prints 
from 
> the other two programs are linear, richer and much nicer.  I 
prefer the 
> way they blend two profies for greater control.  IP has the tint 
> picker, which is ok, but not as nice.  IP is also pretty expensive 
for 
> what it offers.  
> 
> Also, both QTR and IJC/OPM allow you to use any inkset with any 
paper.  
> QTR, in particular, has lots of available profiles.  kPeople on 
this 
> bard will be happy to share profiles with you if you ask.
> 
> I never use IP for anything any more.  For color, I get better 
results 
> with the Epson driver and custom profiles.  For B&W, QTR and 
IJC/OPM 
> are superior.  But, IP is pretty easy.  Just be aware that IP is 
> licensed for a single printer model only.  If you get a new 
printer 
> model, you will have to buy another (expensive) license.
> 
> Lou
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" 
> <blizzie12@y...> wrote:
> > Does or has anyone use ImagePrint by Colorbyte for their black 
and
> > white work? I'm thinking of buying this software ( for Epson 
2200)
> > since I'm still struggling with the QTR custom curve creation for
> > various papers. Does ImagePrint come with all the paper 
profiles? I
> > wish I was better at the techincal aspect of the QTR but the 
reality
> > is I'm not, so maybe it's time to spend some big money and 
invest in
> > a solution that'll make life easier for me. It's either that or 
I pay 
> > someone who uses QTR to sit with me at my computer and show me 
how to 
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> > create custom curves.
> > 
> > Anyone care to comment?
> > I'd appreciate hearing back from you.

Re: ImagePrint Versus QTR

2005-05-01 by richard_h95050

Steve,

Lou's advice is based on substantial experience and expert opinion. 
Since he's already given a comprehensive explaination of the benefits 
and limitations of each package, the only thing I'd add is that if 
you're not getting the results you want from QTR with existing 
profiles, to create custom curves for QTR or IJC/OPM you'll need a 
densitometer or spectrophotometer and the desire to learn how to use 
it -- so factor that into your learning curve and software investment.

If you decide to go with ImagePrint as an "out-of-box" solution, let 
me know. I've got an ImagePrint Version 5.6 for the 2200 that I don't 
use any more and you can contact me off-list if you're interested in 
purchasing it...

Richard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" 
<blizzie12@y...> wrote:
> Hmmmm....interesting, so far I've had two replies to my question. 
> One in favor of IP, the other suggesting that I'm better off using 
> QTR. Would be nice to hear more opinions though I'm really tempted 
> to wait on purchasing IP and try figuring out custom curve 
> creations. Louis Dina presents a strong case.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
> <lbdina@c...> wrote:
> > Yes, I own ImagePrint, QTR and IJC/OPM.  ImagePrint provides 
> decent B&W 
> > output, and is a big improvement over the Epson driver with the 
> > standard inkset.  But I find both QTR or IJC/OPM are far superior 
> to 
> > IP.  
> > 
> > With IP, you are locked into their ink limits and linearization, 
> both 
> > of which are generic (tied to the inkset).  I find B&W prints 
from 
> IP 
> > harsh in comparison, with lack of adequate separation.  The 
prints 
> from 
> > the other two programs are linear, richer and much nicer.  I 
> prefer the 
> > way they blend two profies for greater control.  IP has the tint 
> > picker, which is ok, but not as nice.  IP is also pretty 
expensive 
> for 
> > what it offers.  
> > 
> > Also, both QTR and IJC/OPM allow you to use any inkset with any 
> paper.  
> > QTR, in particular, has lots of available profiles.  kPeople on 
> this 
> > bard will be happy to share profiles with you if you ask.
> > 
> > I never use IP for anything any more.  For color, I get better 
> results 
> > with the Epson driver and custom profiles.  For B&W, QTR and 
> IJC/OPM 
> > are superior.  But, IP is pretty easy.  Just be aware that IP is 
> > licensed for a single printer model only.  If you get a new 
> printer 
> > model, you will have to buy another (expensive) license.
> > 
> > Lou
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" 
> > <blizzie12@y...> wrote:
> > > Does or has anyone use ImagePrint by Colorbyte for their black 
> and
> > > white work? I'm thinking of buying this software ( for Epson 
> 2200)
> > > since I'm still struggling with the QTR custom curve creation 
for
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > various papers. Does ImagePrint come with all the paper 
> profiles? I
> > > wish I was better at the techincal aspect of the QTR but the 
> reality
> > > is I'm not, so maybe it's time to spend some big money and 
> invest in
> > > a solution that'll make life easier for me. It's either that or 
> I pay 
> > > someone who uses QTR to sit with me at my computer and show me 
> how to 
> > > create custom curves.
> > > 
> > > Anyone care to comment?
> > > I'd appreciate hearing back from you.

Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint Versus QTR

2005-05-01 by Daniel Staver

> I'm still struggling with the QTR custom curve creation for
> various papers. 

What problems specifically are you having with the custom curve 
creation? Maybe they can be solved? Is it related to your earlier post 
regarding your desire for a neutral curve for semigloss paper?

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

Resolution for printing

2005-05-01 by Peter De Smidt

Hi Folks,

I've seen people recommend printing at 240, 300, and 360 dpi. Does 
anyone have any recommendations? I will be using an Epson C86 with the 
MIS EZ inks.

TIA,
Peter De Smidt

RE: [Digital BW] Resolution for printing

2005-05-01 by Paul Roark

Set the printer resolution at its best photo setting.  The image file
resolution is somewhat flexible.  Some say Epson desktop printers re-sample
to 720.  Some say they can see differences between a 360 and 720 input file.
I can't at normal viewing distance.   Above 720, I've seen the driver drop
out information, but it's doubtful a person would notice it in an actual
print.  A good 240 file will probably look fine.  I usually see that number
used by people doing larger prints where the sharpness is less important.  I
use 360 as my standard.  It's just easier and faster to work with the
smallest file size that I find gives me the quality I'm looking for.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> De Smidt
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:37 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Resolution for printing
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I've seen people recommend printing at 240, 300, and 360 dpi. Does
> anyone have any recommendations? I will be using an Epson C86 with the
> MIS EZ inks.
> 
> TIA,
> Peter De Smidt
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Resolution for printing

2005-05-01 by Bob Frost

Paul,

>Some say Epson desktop printers re-sample to 720.

Epson said so back in 2002. 
http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/pro10a/pro10aps.pdf. Page 4 Note 2 says 
desktop printers rasterize data at 720ppi.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>

Re: [Digital BW] Resolution for printing

2005-05-01 by jhncates

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Frost"
<bob@f...> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> >Some say Epson desktop printers re-sample to 720.
> 
> Epson said so back in 2002. 
> http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/pro10a/pro10aps.pdf. Page 4 Note
2 says 
> desktop printers rasterize data at 720ppi.
> 
> Bob Frost.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>

I use Qimage to print to a C86 using EZ inks. I could see the
difference when I started using Qimage to get the 720 automaticly.
There is a demo version to find out for yourself. 

John

Re: [Digital BW] Resolution for printing

2005-05-02 by jhncates

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jhncates"
<jwcat@e...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Frost"
> <bob@f...> wrote:
> > Paul,
> > 
> > >Some say Epson desktop printers re-sample to 720.
> > 
> > Epson said so back in 2002. 
> > http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/pro10a/pro10aps.pdf. Page 4
Note
> 2 says 
> > desktop printers rasterize data at 720ppi.
> > 
> > Bob Frost.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> 
> I use Qimage to print to a C86 using EZ inks. I could see the
> difference when I started using Qimage to get the 720 automaticly.
> There is a demo version to find out for yourself. 
> 
> John

Sorry if my last reply seemed curt. I am a bottom feeder here and
hesitate to post any information. I feel that I represent some people
that want to make good B&W prints, did some searching, and found this
site. Then we lurked some and discovered that the C86 and EZ inks are
the cheapest and easiest way to get some good prints. So I want to
give my input at that level.

There are some settings for the C86 using  EZ inks for different
papers somewhere on MIS site. I use EMM and the settings brought out
details in the shadows that were missing before I used them.

John

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