Digital BW, The Print

Am having a little difficulty with the bottom fill adaptor (BFA) 
priming procedure this first go-round. Can't seem to get ink to rise 
into the syringe. When I press the BFA lightly against the ink outlet I 
hear air hissing. When I press more firmly I get too tight a seal and a 
pretty intense vacuum effect. Not sure if it makes a difference, but 
this is regarding the black high-capacity (non-clear) carts. I haven't 
had to fill the clear "color" carts yet.

How much pressure is needed on the ink outlet? I don't want to damage 
anything.

Paul, I ordered the FADP you mentioned as a possible solution to avoid 
cutting down the BFA, but wondering if that is in fact the right one 
for C84 carts. Would you suggest trimming it? And if so, I'm assuming I 
need to recreate the little notch in the tip.

Sorry for so much detail on what seems like such a simple little 
procedure, but MIS is a little big-picture with the instructions for us 
first-timers ;).

TIA,
Doug

Does anyone have a set of MIS wheelholders working with a 2100 (not 2200)?.
It seems to me there must be a difference in the way the 7th wheel from the
right - the first one on the right hand side of the CD bar - works between a
2200 & a 2100.

Depressing the CD bar on a 2100 does not lift this wheel as it appears to do
on a 2200 (judging from the MIS picture). As there is no notch above this
wheel to slip a holder into either I can't see a way to lift this one.

Any ideas?

Thanks
Howard

Yes I do - lift the wheel and then wedge the tie.  It's a bit tricky but
works fine.

> From: Howard Shaw <glassman@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:37:39 +0100
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] 2100 wheel holders - one wheel can't be lifted
> 
> Does anyone have a set of MIS wheelholders working with a 2100 (not 2200)?.
> It seems to me there must be a difference in the way the 7th wheel from the
> right - the first one on the right hand side of the CD bar - works between a
> 2200 & a 2100.
> 
> Depressing the CD bar on a 2100 does not lift this wheel as it appears to do
> on a 2200 (judging from the MIS picture). As there is no notch above this
> wheel to slip a holder into either I can't see a way to lift this one.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks
> Howard
> 
>

try this:

http://www.inkrepublic.com/KnowledgeBase/WheelMarks.asp

Doug, 

That happens to me sometimes.

Insert the BFA and move it around a little bit. It's just not getting 
into the right spot. Just give it a little wiggle.

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Doug I. 
<puzzolente@s...> wrote:
> Am having a little difficulty with the bottom fill adaptor (BFA) 
> priming procedure this first go-round. Can't seem to get ink to 
rise 
> into the syringe. When I press the BFA lightly against the ink 
outlet I 
> hear air hissing. When I press more firmly I get too tight a seal 
and a 
> pretty intense vacuum effect. Not sure if it makes a difference, 
but 
> this is regarding the black high-capacity (non-clear) carts. I 
haven't 
> had to fill the clear "color" carts yet.
> 
> How much pressure is needed on the ink outlet? I don't want to 
damage 
> anything.
> 
> Paul, I ordered the FADP you mentioned as a possible solution to 
avoid 
> cutting down the BFA, but wondering if that is in fact the right 
one 
> for C84 carts. Would you suggest trimming it? And if so, I'm 
assuming I 
> need to recreate the little notch in the tip.
> 
> Sorry for so much detail on what seems like such a simple little 
> procedure, but MIS is a little big-picture with the instructions 
for us 

> first-timers ;).
> 
> TIA,
> Doug

Thanks Scott. Curious which BFA you have. My model #FADP (I think officially for the 
7600/9600 carts?) seems pretty flimsy at the tip. Also wondering what I am trying to do 
with the wiggling, etc.--am I trying to depress a spring or something to open the valve, or 
is it more of a rubber nipple? It's hard to tell with the opaque high-capacity carts, and I 
think knowing what is going on with the valve would help me refine my technique. ;)

Everything else about this setup has been super-easy. This is the only part I'm getting 
hung up on.

Doug

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
<scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:

> Doug, 
> 
> That happens to me sometimes.
> 
> Insert the BFA and move it around a little bit. It's just not getting 
> into the right spot. Just give it a little wiggle.
> 
> Scott
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Doug I. 
> <puzzolente@s...> wrote:
> > Am having a little difficulty with the bottom fill adaptor (BFA) 
> > priming procedure this first go-round. Can't seem to get ink to 
> rise 
> > into the syringe. When I press the BFA lightly against the ink 
> outlet I 
> > hear air hissing. When I press more firmly I get too tight a seal 
> and a 
> > pretty intense vacuum effect. Not sure if it makes a difference, 
> but 
> > this is regarding the black high-capacity (non-clear) carts. I 
> haven't 
> > had to fill the clear "color" carts yet.
> > 
> > How much pressure is needed on the ink outlet? I don't want to 
> damage 
> > anything.
> > 
> > Paul, I ordered the FADP you mentioned as a possible solution to 
> avoid 
> > cutting down the BFA, but wondering if that is in fact the right 
> one 
> > for C84 carts. Would you suggest trimming it? And if so, I'm 
> assuming I 
> > need to recreate the little notch in the tip.

O.K., first, I have the "MIS-BADP", that's what is listed on my 
invoice.

Second, I don't know why I wiggle it. I guess when I have the same 
problem you were having, I wiggled around the BADP and it worked for 
me.

Re-filling these carts can be a PITA sometimes, but I feel it's worth 
it considering the money I save.

Epson inks are a total rip-off, imo.

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "hardy_i" 
<puzzolente@s...> wrote:
> Thanks Scott. Curious which BFA you have. My model #FADP (I think 
officially for the 
> 7600/9600 carts?) seems pretty flimsy at the tip. Also wondering 
what I am trying to do 
> with the wiggling, etc.--am I trying to depress a spring or 
something to open the valve, or 
> is it more of a rubber nipple? It's hard to tell with the opaque 
high-capacity carts, and I 
> think knowing what is going on with the valve would help me refine 
my technique. ;)
> 
> Everything else about this setup has been super-easy. This is the 
only part I'm getting 
> hung up on.
> 
> Doug
> 
> --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
> <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> > Doug, 
> > 
> > That happens to me sometimes.
> > 
> > Insert the BFA and move it around a little bit. It's just not 
getting 
> > into the right spot. Just give it a little wiggle.
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Doug I. 
> > <puzzolente@s...> wrote:
> > > Am having a little difficulty with the bottom fill adaptor 
(BFA) 
> > > priming procedure this first go-round. Can't seem to get ink to 
> > rise 
> > > into the syringe. When I press the BFA lightly against the ink 
> > outlet I 
> > > hear air hissing. When I press more firmly I get too tight a 
seal 
> > and a 
> > > pretty intense vacuum effect. Not sure if it makes a 
difference, 
> > but 
> > > this is regarding the black high-capacity (non-clear) carts. I 
> > haven't 
> > > had to fill the clear "color" carts yet.
> > > 
> > > How much pressure is needed on the ink outlet? I don't want to 
> > damage 
> > > anything.
> > > 
> > > Paul, I ordered the FADP you mentioned as a possible solution 
to 
> > avoid 
> > > cutting down the BFA, but wondering if that is in fact the 
right 

> > one 
> > > for C84 carts. Would you suggest trimming it? And if so, I'm 
> > assuming I 
> > > need to recreate the little notch in the tip.