Digital BW, The Print

I've gone through three boxes of Moab Kayenta, and don't think I will be 
buying anymore. While there are several things to like about this paper, 
there is one glaring problem that I've had in all three boxes. These papers 
exhibit shiny flecks in the print. This is not standard flaking where the 
ink comes off and you just see that white of the paper below. This is 
something different, something in the paper coating which interacts with the 
inks.

If it weren't for this problem I would probably be using Kayenta instead of 
EEM, but that just isn't the case for me. I print with the standard 
Ultrachrome inks, and have printed with the standard epson driver, QTR and 
IJC/OPM. None made a difference with this paper.

The only thing that helped was rubbing the paper down with an old T-shirt. 
But this only helped, it didn't eliminate the problem. So now I'm back to 
using enhanced matte for all proofing work, and I even have one framed photo 
on EEM.

I still have a box of 13x19 Entrada Natural. This seems to behave a bit 
better than Kayenta, though I'm not all too convinced that I will be buying 
much more Moab paper.

Derek

That's a shame to hear. A decent lignin free, inexpensive EEM replacement
would be just grand for giving out prints of snaps to friends and relatives.

Scott

Derek Ealy wrote:

> I've gone through three boxes of Moab Kayenta, and don't think I will be
> buying anymore. While there are several things to like about this paper,
> there is one glaring problem that I've had in all three boxes. These 
> papers
> exhibit shiny flecks in the print. This is not standard flaking where the
> ink comes off and you just see that white of the paper below. This is
> something different, something in the paper coating which interacts 
> with the
> inks.
>
> If it weren't for this problem I would probably be using Kayenta 
> instead of
> EEM, but that just isn't the case for me. I print with the standard
> Ultrachrome inks, and have printed with the standard epson driver, QTR 
> and
> IJC/OPM. None made a difference with this paper.
>
> The only thing that helped was rubbing the paper down with an old 
> T-shirt.
> But this only helped, it didn't eliminate the problem. So now I'm back to
> using enhanced matte for all proofing work, and I even have one framed 
> photo
> on EEM.
>
> I still have a box of 13x19 Entrada Natural. This seems to behave a bit
> better than Kayenta, though I'm not all too convinced that I will be 
> buying
> much more Moab paper.
>
> Derek
>
>
>
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Hello Derek,

>I've gone through three boxes of Moab Kayenta, and don't think 
>I will be buying anymore. 
>These papers exhibit shiny flecks in the print. This is not 
>standard flaking where the ink comes off and you just see that 
>white of the paper below. This is something different, something 
>in the paper coating which interacts with the inks.

That's amazing because I'm not finding anything like that.  I'm
currently using it for a scrapbook project for my church and now have
over 60 small prints with it.  I just examined some of them, both high
and low key with lots of black, and can't see anything like this.  But
I'm using Eboni BO, so maybe it's ok with that.  I'll try a UT7 print
and see what happens.  Maybe you got a bad batch - they do have a
place on their web site to report batch numbers if there's a problem.


>The only thing that helped was rubbing the paper down with an old 
>T-shirt.  But this only helped, it didn't eliminate the problem. 

I do this to reduce flaking.  It has some, but about average compared
other papers that flake.  I've found Entrada to be the worst flaker,
just terrible.  I know it's supposed to be the same coating as
Kayenta, but I guess it's different on that paper.  It also looks a
bit different than Kayenta - similar but different.  I doubt I'll be
using any more of that.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Clayton,

I'm pretty sure I saw this same behavior when BO printing also. I just 
framed a print on Entrada Natural tonight, I've had much better luck with 
Entrada than Kayenta. Entrada can flake sometimes, but it appears to be no 
worse that VFA or any other high end matte paper I've tried.

I think that Moab has consistency problems if we are seeing completely 
opposite behaviors like this. I've gone through 2 boxes of Entrada 8x10 and 
have one other box of 13x19, so I've seen enough of the Entrada line for me 
to have an idea of how it performs.

In my first year of printing I've tried so many types of paper I have a 
fairly large supply that I'm waiting to get rid of before trying something 
else. So far though my favorite matte paper is just VFA. I'm looking forward 
to trying Ultrasmooth/Premiere Art Hot press.

Derek

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Clayton said:

That's amazing because I'm not finding anything like that.  I'm
currently using it for a scrapbook project for my church and now have
over 60 small prints with it.  I just examined some of them, both high
and low key with lots of black, and can't see anything like this.  But
I'm using Eboni BO, so maybe it's ok with that.  I'll try a UT7 print
and see what happens.  Maybe you got a bad batch - they do have a
place on their web site to report batch numbers if there's a problem.