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Spectratones and Arches Brite White Hot Press

Spectratones and Arches Brite White Hot Press

2001-08-11 by Dan Culbertson

Got my Arches Brite White Hot Press from good old Cheap Joe's Art Supplies
and thought I'd toss out some initial results of tests with the Epson Stylus
3000 and Allen's (Lincoln Inks and Papers) Spectratones inkset.

1.  The paper is very slightly yellow - not nearly as much as regular Arches
but I would only all this Brite White in comparison with the regular Arches
stuff, not in comparison with most bluish-white inkjet papers.  Rather a
nice paper color actually.

2.  Paper size is 22.5 inches by 30 with four deckle edges so you'll have to
cut off at least one deckle to get it through an Epson Stylus 3000.  Fine
size for a 7000 though!

3.  Color of the Spectratone inks is quite gray under fluorescent, tungsten,
and halide bulbs,  as well as under natural daylight.  Haven't found a light
source yet that makes it look other than gray.  Warm light (incandescent)
makes it look a slightly more warm gray than sunlight but it doesn't look
like a tinted gray or change the tonal relationships across a gradient.
Rather a neutral response across light sources.

4.  Slight bit of fiber show through in the mid tone patches but not at all
obvious at large print viewing distance and not nearly as noticeable as in
regular Arches hot press with Spectratones.  Might want to try a very light
coating of additional gelatin as an experiment (in addition to the existing
internal gelatin sizing) but I wouldn't say it is necessary.

5.  No slight stipple effect as can be seen in the Cold Press Brite White.
No heavy texture like one gets with Oce watercolor.  Nice smooth matte
surface.

6.  D Max for the K ink in the Epson driver is 1.4, a bit disappointing but
essentially the same as the Oce and other watercolors with the Epson driver.
With Pressready in CMYK mode the D max for the black ink by itself is 1.52
(better) and for 100% C plus 100% K patch it is 1.54.  100% each of CMY
(300% ink) results in a D max of 1.52 (I'm using a special #2 tone in the C
channel that is almost as dark as the black otherwise CMY with no K would be
lower).  The CMY patch is a very nice *looking* black - ie it has a nice
appearance not only a decent D max.

7.  In PressReady with the Glossy Paper media setting bleeding occurs at
400% ink but none is apparent (yet) at 300% ink.  Combined with the D Max of
the CMY patch this means that  channel separations using up to 300% total
ink with only the three CMY (no K) channels will give a usable ink level
with almost the same black as a separation that uses the k channel.  This is
a much simpler separation to create since it eliminates the need to turn
light ink channel curves down in the dark zones (and the problem that
sometimes creates with tonal reversals in the image).  No bleeding even at
400% with the PressReady Photo paper setting - but the CMY and other blacks
are not as dark either.

8.  Longevity -- beats me.  But this is a gelatin sized paper and Allen says
all the other gelatin sized and coated papers are doing well with
Spectratones so it is likely this one will as well.

In short -- I'm not sure this is going to be the smooth matte watercolor
*winner* but it is certainly likely to be a keeper.  I'll probably not use
the Epson RGB driver method with this paper though.  I think PressReady will
do better for this - at least on the Epson Stylus 3000.  On a 1200 (which
dumps down more ink than a 3000 in the RGB driver) it may be a very
different story.  I'll experiment with the paper a bit more - if there are
any show stoppers I'll holler to the list.

-- Dan Culbertson
so many years, so little time...

Re: Spectratones and Arches Brite White Hot Press

2001-08-12 by Tyler Boley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Dan Culbertson
<danculb@b...> wrote:
snip
> Well - with small patches made for density measurement there was no
bleeding
> at 300% but when I translated that into an image the larger area of
ink
> covered paper moistened it to an extent that it printed like --
well like
> watercolor paper.

I ran into this problem too. I get a better idea of possible max % by
putting my test patch on a background of 100% of the 
lightest ink (assuming the given paper will take 100% without bleed)
or some other smaller percentage combo. Took a 
while to figure that one out.

snip
...Arches Brite White Hot press still
> looks hopeful but I think a paper with a heavier gelatin coating
will be the
> winner.
> 
Have you printed anything that has large areas of relatively smooth
middle tones? I'm curious about the unevenness I ran 
into with the cold press, which I think was uneven sizing. Allen had
some ideas about it too, it sounds like less than 
strenuous manufactering tolerances. Fine for the paper's intended
purpose, not for inkjet.
Tyler

Re: Spectratones and Arches Brite White Hot Press

2001-08-12 by Dan Culbertson

I wrote:
snip
> 7.  In PressReady with the Glossy Paper media setting bleeding occurs at
> 400% ink but none is apparent (yet) at 300% ink.
snip

Well - with small patches made for density measurement there was no bleeding
at 300% but when I translated that into an image the larger area of ink
covered paper moistened it to an extent that it printed like -- well like
watercolor paper.  Probably won't be able to get any more ink on this paper
with PressReady without bleeding than I can get with the Epson driver.  So
it looks like, even though the D Max can go up to 1.54 with PressReady the
max practical will be about 1.4.  So maybe the Epson driver with an RGB
method will work just as well as a PressReady CMYK method since the ink
limits will have to be about the same.  Arches Brite White Hot press still
looks hopeful but I think a paper with a heavier gelatin coating will be the
winner.

-- Dan Culbertson
so many years, so little time...

Re: Spectratones and Arches Brite White Hot Press

2001-08-12 by Dan Culbertson

> Have you printed anything that has large areas of relatively smooth
> middle tones? I'm curious about the unevenness I ran
> into with the cold press, which I think was uneven sizing. Allen had
> some ideas about it too, it sounds like less than
> strenuous manufactering tolerances. Fine for the paper's intended
> purpose, not for inkjet.
> Tyler

Haven't printed anything big enough for it to show.  But there is nothing
like that in a gradient from left to right across a letter sized sheet.  The
paper has much less gelatin (and much more absorbency) than the cold press
so I think that won't be as much of a problem.  Nice paper for watercolors -
but probably too absorbent for inkjet printing.  Back to the paper chase.

Dan

Spectratones and Arches Brite White Hot Press

2001-08-12 by allentakichi@earthlink.net

Thanks for the info.  The ink percentages 
being so high is a surprise so I'll order some 
and give it a go.  The d-max might be 
improved with a double K  in the 3000 and a 
substitution of C or M with K in the the 
1200.

In the quest for D-Max (I'm guilty), I try not 
to  forget the many beautiful platinum 
palladium prints on art paperswhich don't 
really have a deep black and to redirect my 
attention to what the image means and how it 
feels. 

Allen
lincolninks.com

  
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Subject: Spectratones and Arches Brite White 
Hot Press

Got my Arches Brite White Hot Press from 
good old Cheap Joe's Art Supplies
and thought I'd toss out some initial results 
of tests with the Epson Stylus
3000 and Allen's (Lincoln Inks and Papers) 
Spectratones inkset.

big snip


-- Dan Culbertson
so many years, so little time...

Re: Spectratones and Arches Brite White Hot Press

2001-08-12 by Tyler Boley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., allentakichi@e... wrote:
snip...
> In the quest for D-Max (I'm guilty), I try not 
> to  forget the many beautiful platinum 
> palladium prints on art paperswhich don't 
> really have a deep black and to redirect my 
> attention to what the image means and how it 
> feels. 
> 
> Allen
> lincolninks.com

Whoops there it is
Tyler

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